HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #84: Off-Season edition

[sampollock]

If he doesn't end up in Montreal then this has been the biggest cock tease of all time by the media.

AND that is just bang on.

so many posts of him already here, just a matter of time.
Until he signs or gets traded, how many names get linked to a team and then it never happens. tons
have to wait and see

 

[Captain Mountain]

If he doesn't end up in Montreal then this has been the biggest cock tease of all time by the media.

Honestly, its not the media at this point, its the fans. There hasn't been any real news all season and the fanbase still won't shut up about it.

 

[sampollock]

Honestly, its not the media at this point, its the fans. There hasn't been any real news all season and the fanbase still won't shut up about it.

like on hf, fans are driving this bus

Kent will do what is best, need to trust him

 

[Colezuki]

Bergeron is a top-10 center in the NHL, has won more Selkes than any other player and is arguably the best two-way center in NHL history. I get that playing on the perfection line may be helping his production, but due respect to Dubois and Suzuki, neither are close to being in the same category as Bergeron.

I wouldn't suggest otherwise, but when people here refer to superstar I think they're referring to a top 5 center a Crosby, Mackinnon, Matthews, Macdavid or Draisaitl not Bergeron. Even if Suzuki and Dubois never reach that level of Bergeron but frankly they don't need too the two combined just need to be something similar to Tarasenko and ROR for us to be in contention

 

[Captain Mountain]

I wouldn't suggest otherwise, but when people here refer to superstar I think they're referring to a top 5 center a Crosby, Mackinnon, Matthews, Macdavid or Draisaitl not Bergeron. Even if Suzuki and Dubois never reach that level of Bergeron but frankly they don't need too the two combined just need to be something similar to Tarasenko and ROR for us to be in contention

I'm sure people would be happy with a Point, Hintz, Aho, etc. type center.

St. Louis isn't really the model to follow for a consistent winner. They won a cup in 2019 and flags fly forever, but that was the only season that what one would look at them as true contenders and they kind of caught lightning in a bottle (Binnington has never been good). Its honestly not dissimilar to what Bergevin tried to do, except they drafted better which let them make better trades.

 

[Colezuki]

Honestly, its not the media at this point, its the fans. There hasn't been any real news all season and the fanbase still won't shut up about it.

and this isn't true either,

Canadiens Once Again Linked To Dubois, Timing Will Be Key

The chatter linking the Montreal Canadiens to Pierre Luc-Dubois picked up again this week, but the likelihood of such an acquisition seems unlikely for now, unless the price is right. It’s been no secret to the hockey world that Dubois has been linked to the Canadiens for a while now, dating...

montrealhockeynow.com

which referenced Elliotte Friedman's podcast, he was the one who said it.
“The thing about the Jets, is I think this is a year they should be going for it,” said Friedman regarding the sense of urgency in Winnipeg. “I think they have a good team and a wide-open Western Conference. Here’s the thing about the Jets, Wheeler is a free agent and Dubois; we all know that situation leans more towards Montreal. And Scheifele only has a year left after as well. So they could trade for Meier and basically decide to rebuild their entire team around him.”

And Kypreos on Tim & Friends in January
Pierre-Luc Dubois "is not staying in Winnipeg long-term" and is linked with the Canadiens.

And Lebrun yesterday
The Canadiens were interested in him last summer and there’s no reason to think they won’t come calling again this summer

Also arpons article from last summer confirmed the same
“
Multiple sources confirmed to The Athletic that wearing the Canadiens’ bleu, blanc et rouge is a dream that Dubois is not shy to talk about in private company.

Now Dubois’ agent, Pat Brisson, is making those desires as public as possible. Brisson has stirred the Dubois-to-Montreal pot in multiple media appearances this week in a clear attempt to catalyze trade talks between the Jets and Canadiens.”

The notion is it’s the fans is false the media is feeding it but beyond waiting for the summer what else is there to do then speculate what we may give up for him

St. Louis isn't really the model to follow for a consistent winner. They won a cup in 2019 and flags fly forever, but that was the only season that what one would look at them as true contenders and they kind of caught lightning in a bottle (Binnington has never been good). Its honestly not dissimilar to what Bergevin tried to do, except they drafted better which let them make better trades.

they fell apart once pietrangelo went to Vegas and they replaced him with Krug. They were always a defense first team who pivoted suddenly to offence. The blues finished 3rd in there division in 21-22, 4th in 20-21, 1st in 19-20, 3rd in 18-19 and 3rd in 16-17. They were a consistent threat no different then the bruins for a series of 5 years

 

[Team_Spirit]

NCAA free agents:

 

[Captain Mountain]

and this isn't true either,

Canadiens Once Again Linked To Dubois, Timing Will Be Key

The chatter linking the Montreal Canadiens to Pierre Luc-Dubois picked up again this week, but the likelihood of such an acquisition seems unlikely for now, unless the price is right. It’s been no secret to the hockey world that Dubois has been linked to the Canadiens for a while now, dating...

montrealhockeynow.com

which referenced Elliotte Friedman's podcast, he was the one who said it.
“The thing about the Jets, is I think this is a year they should be going for it,” said Friedman regarding the sense of urgency in Winnipeg. “I think they have a good team and a wide-open Western Conference. Here’s the thing about the Jets, Wheeler is a free agent and Dubois; we all know that situation leans more towards Montreal. And Scheifele only has a year left after as well. So they could trade for Meier and basically decide to rebuild their entire team around him.”

And Kypreos on Tim & Friends in January
Pierre-Luc Dubois "is not staying in Winnipeg long-term" and is linked with the Canadiens.

And Lebrun yesterday
The Canadiens were interested in him last summer and there’s no reason to think they won’t come calling again this summer

Also arpons article from last summer confirmed the same
“
Multiple sources confirmed to The Athletic that wearing the Canadiens’ bleu, blanc et rouge is a dream that Dubois is not shy to talk about in private company.

Now Dubois’ agent, Pat Brisson, is making those desires as public as possible. Brisson has stirred the Dubois-to-Montreal pot in multiple media appearances this week in a clear attempt to catalyze trade talks between the Jets and Canadiens.”

The notion is it’s the fans is false the media is feeding it but beyond waiting for the summer what else is there to do then speculate what we may give up for him

To be clear, I said "[t]here hasn't been any real news all season". None of that is news. We all knew before the season that there were serious rumblings that Dubois wanted to be a Hab and Montreal was interested in acquiring him. Everything you cited during the season is just more of the same. There isn't actually anything new to the story (Montreal making an offer, Winnipeg shopping him). But fans won't stop talking about it so it gets brought up over and over again. The media isn't driving this for the last 6-7 months, fans are.

they fell apart once pietrangelo went to Vegas and they replaced him with Krug. They were always a defense first team who pivoted suddenly to offence. The blues finished 3rd in there division in 21-22, 4th in 20-21, 1st in 19-20, 3rd in 18-19 and 3rd in 16-17. They were a consistent threat no different then the bruins for a series of 5 years

That's not a consistent threat, that's being a good team. Maybe a very good team. But they weren't serious contenders in most of those seasons. It was basically 2019 (post coaching change) to 2021. I have higher hopes for the Habs than being a good team that has the market fall their way.

 

[sampollock]

To be clear, I said "[t]here hasn't been any real news all season". None of that is news. We all knew before the season that there were serious rumblings that Dubois wanted to be a Hab and Montreal was interested in acquiring him. Everything you cited during the season is just more of the same. There isn't actually anything new to the story (Montreal making an offer, Winnipeg shopping him). But fans won't stop talking about it so it gets brought up over and over again. The media isn't driving this for the last 6-7 months, fans are.



That's not a consistent threat, that's being a good team. Maybe a very good team. But they weren't serious contenders in most of those seasons. It was basically 2019 (post coaching change) to 2021. I have higher hopes for the Habs than being a good team that has the market fall their way.

and that is true fans are driving the PLD wagon.
again, do I want him, yes I do

but...let's wait till the draft and see if Kent does or not

 

[Naslundforever]

“SIRI….Dubois for Harris and a 3rd…yup that looks like a good deal”

“Sure! Here’s what I found on the internet for “How to win a hockey trade?”

Marc Bergevin - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Ozmodiar]

I mean, PLD has always been a center that can play on the top line more than a top line center. A rich man's Danault if you will. But it’s kind of interesting because this is the 2nd straight season his play has slipped in last quarter of the season. You can probably have a competitive team with him and Suzuki as your top two centers, but Montreal really needs get their hands on at least one guy that's closer to a true star/superstar one way or another.

I think they’d be a good duo down the middle. They avg the same P/G and could pick up the slack if one has a lull.

Hopefully our recent #1 pick, or the potential top 5 this year, can be that star you’re talking about.

 

[BaseballCoach]

I mean, PLD has always been a center that can play on the top line more than a top line center. A rich man's Danault if you will. But its kind of interesting because this is the 2nd straight season his play has slipped in last quarter of the season. You can probably have a competitive team with him and Suzuki as your top two centers, but Montreal really needs get their hands on at least one guy that's closer to a true star/superstar one way or another.

Oh come on. I like Danault but Dubois is a far better goal scorer and he was selecteed 3OA, not late first round.

 

[Lockin17]

Would you guys do Hutson for PLD straight up ??

I mean Hutson might end up being a Cale Makar or might not... gamble here

 

[BergevinBurner]

Would you guys do Hutson for PLD straight up ??

I mean Hutson might end up being a Cale Makar or might not... gamble here

I'd be willing to give up Florida's 1st and pretty much any prospect in our system besides Hutson.

His upside just looks too high and he could be a huge part of our powerplay going forward. We don't have anyone on the team or in our system with his skillset and he could be an absolute monster quarterbacking our powerplay if he pans out.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Oh come on. I like Danault but Dubois is a far better goal scorer and he was selecteed 3OA, not late first round.

I could not care less about draft position, nor should you.

And far better goal scorer seems excessive. Danault has been the better goal scorer 5v5 over the last few seasons, Dubois' scoring is PP driven. Dubois is a better goalscorer, but thats not really where he brings more value than Danault.

 

[BaseballCoach]

I could not care less about draft position, nor should you.

And far better goal scorer seems excessive. Danault has been the better goal scorer 5v5 over the last few seasons, Dubois' scoring is PP driven. Dubois is a better goalscorer, but thats not really where he brings more value than Danault.

Dubois is a top line player IMO. Danault is a middle-six player with strong defence.

I would love to have both on my team.

Yes, original draft positon is not pertinent today. Hoewever, if we did a redraft of 2011 and a re-draft of 2016, I am pretty sure Dubois would come out higher. Nothing against Phil, I was one who wanted him extended.

 

[V13]

Would you guys do Hutson for PLD straight up ??

I mean Hutson might end up being a Cale Makar or might not... gamble here

No

I'm fine with getting PLD but not for potential organizational needs. The team is in a dire need of a constant puck moving PP producer D and Hutson profile to be exactly that. Does it mean that he will become that at the NHL level ? No he could bust , end up being a bottom pairing D or could become the bext Torey Krug etc. But he's also the only guy in the pipeline with the upside to become what we need on the blue line imho (well at least for now)

I'd be fine with giving Flo 1st + Harris or Barron or Strubble or whoever + ??? or any other D prospect really. Just not Hutson. I mean PLD is a good player yes but elite puck moving PP D are more valuable. Again doesn't mean Hutson will blossom into one but as of right now his upside is quite valuable to the organization

 

[Captain Mountain]

Dubois is a top line player IMO. Danault is a middle-six player with strong defence.

I would love to have both on my team.

Yes, original draft positon is not pertinent today. Hoewever, if we did a redraft of 2011 and a re-draft of 2016, I am pretty sure Dubois would come out higher. Nothing against Phil, I was one who wanted him extended.

I'm pretty sure I never said that Danault was better or equal to Dubois. I just think expectations are out of whack if people think they're getting a top-10/15 C in him - the probably aren't.

And it doesn't make much sense viewing drafts that way either. You're not actually comparing anything meaningful unless you can empirically prove the quality of the drafts consistently correlated with one another.

 

[Miller Time]

NCAA free agents:

Very interested to see if Hughes's NCAA & agent background leads to some astute free agents scoops...

We've got a favorable roster situation to be enticing to a player hoping to lock up an NHL roster spot next year, especially at wing & there are a few interesting options

 

[Adam Michaels]

Very interested to see if Hughes's NCAA & agent background leads to some astute free agents scoops...

We've got a favorable roster situation to be enticing to a player hoping to lock up an NHL roster spot next year, especially at wing & there are a few interesting options

They signed Condotta last year as a NCAA free agent. They can do something like they did with him last year, sign him to an AHL deal to finish the year in Laval and his NHL deal kicks in the following year.

They might sign someone, but I think they'll focus to sign their own guys in Farrell and Struble. And I'm actually curious if they opt to sign Tuch also, or if they let him go back to college another year.

 

[Benstheman]

Not giving up a great prospect on top of Florida’s pick for PLD.

B prospect sure.

 

[Runner77]

Would you guys do Hutson for PLD straight up ??

I mean Hutson might end up being a Cale Makar or might not... gamble here

I wouldn’t trade Hutson until we know how he develops and Habs coaches have had the opportunity to work with him up close and personal. Can’t trade high upside players like that and then see them take the next step with another organization.

 

[ML16]

We have to put the best package to pry Dubois from WPG and i am not sure it is possible without FLA 1st. Would start with an A prospect like Hutson imo.

Beck, Barron are nice pieces but its too low for Dubois imo.

If the Habs opt not use FLA’s 1st round pick in a package for Dubois, maybe CGY’s 2025* 1st + MTL’s 2023 (high) 2nd could be deemed an adequate replacement for FLA’s pick.

* The Flames are not trending in the right direction organization-wise and the Jets might take the gamble. The pick’s conditions are also quite versatile; could be a 2025 1st, or a 2024 1st, or even 2026 (along with a 3rd round pick if the latter option triggers).

 

[Colezuki]

Yeah I’d do something like fla 1st post lottery or Calgary first no protections but I wouldn’t do a great prospect with it. Someone like heineman etc

 

[SlafySZN]

Yeah I’d do something like fla 1st post lottery or Calgary first no protections but I wouldn’t do a great prospect with it. Someone like heineman etc

Calgary first no protection, in a rebuild, come on now lol.