HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #84: Off-Season edition

[Jaynki]

Posted this in another thread but it belongs here... What is your trade package offer for Dubois if both the Habs and Panthers pick is not at play?

Beck, Barron, Gurianov, and a NHL contract (Eddy). This package is based on leverage of course but it's still a solid offer IMO.

We have to put the best package to pry Dubois from WPG and i am not sure it is possible without FLA 1st. Would start with an A prospect like Hutson imo.

Beck, Barron are nice pieces but its too low for Dubois imo.

 

[Jack Spider]

Let's get Jonathan Toews at league minimum.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Considering all the draft picks they gave up for douche bag DeAngelo and the gawd awful Risto, they obviously have it set to rookie mode.

 

[eklund the clown]

Dubois will get traded here for the Florida pick in this draft . If they want anymore than that they can go fly a kite

 

[Habs Halifax]

We have to put the best package to pry Dubois from WPG and i am not sure it is possible without FLA 1st. Would start with an A prospect like Hutson imo.

Beck, Barron are nice pieces but its too low for Dubois imo.

I can't argue with you on that too much cause my gut says the same. However, what if Dubois is only open to the Habs and Avs on a sign/trade? What would be the best package the Avs can offer? Newhook, 2023 late 1st, and Girard (NHL contract)?

Newhook vs Gurianov
Beck vs 2023 last 1st
Barron vs ???
Edmudson vs Girard.

Dubois will get traded here for the Florida pick in this draft . If they want anymore than that they can go fly a kite

King of agree with that but what happens if the Panthers pick wins one of two lotteries? Not probable but lets just say

 

[Jaynki]

Dubois will get traded here for the Florida pick in this draft . If they want anymore than that they can go fly a kite

It may not happen. But on the other hand, i feel like it is so obvious.

 

[waitin425]

We have to put the best package to pry Dubois from WPG and i am not sure it is possible without FLA 1st. Would start with an A prospect like Hutson imo.

Beck, Barron are nice pieces but its too low for Dubois imo.

 

[Jaynki]

I can't argue with you on that too much cause my gut says the same. However, what if Dubois is only open to the Habs and Avs on a sign/trade? What would be the best package the Avs can offer? Newhook, 2023 late 1st, and Girard (NHL contract)?

Newhook vs Gurianov
Beck vs 2023 last 1st
Barron vs ???
Edmudson vs Girard.

Sean Behrens might be a more enticing pieces than any prospects we would be willing to give.

I am not sure Beck is more interesting than a 2023 late first.

I think our main argument for Dubois is really FLA 1st. It is an asset i would feel comfortable to give and it is an asset that would be tough to beat from other team. (Id give FLA 1st before Hutson and Mailloux).

I would rather give FLA 1st than Hutson. Don't get me wrong. In fact, i would not touch Hutson, too much starpower and potential in this young fella.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Sean Behrens might be a more enticing pieces than any prospects we would be willing to give.

I am not sure Beck is more interesting than a 2023 late first.

I think our main argument for Dubois is really FLA 1st. It is an asset i would feel comfortable to give and it is an asset that would be tough to beat from other team. (Id give FLA 1st before Hutson and Mailloux).

Don't know much about Behrens to know or comment.

I do think Beck is equal or greater than a late 1st. It's a WJC talent so a fair hit. The late 1st is not a hit until it is. Today, I would pick Beck over a late 1st.

I'm all over the Panthers 1st as the prime dangle piece for Dubois. I just wonder what happens if it wins a lottery spot. Changes things

 

[Habs Halifax]

Hutson will never turn the needle physically even if he has better height/weight. I totally get what he should be a keeper though. That one makes me think and it's a tough one.

Don't worry though. Jets won't go after a undersized D man as the prime piece for Dubois. Certainly one who has not turned pro yet. For as much as we like Hutson and the production is top notch, he's not a grade A prospect to. A B+ trending very very well. Chances he turns into a Caufield asset? It's there but not sure what probability I would put on it.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

wasnt sure if i should make a new thread or just post here but according to Lavoie at the 2016 draft we finished second in the lottery for 1st place behind Toronto so we almost landed Matthews

That year we drafted Sergachev and later traded him for Drouin

 

[Captain Mountain]

It may not happen. But on the other hand, i feel like it is so obvious.

It depends on what else is part of the deal. It would be pretty important for Montreal to send salary out. If that salary is Anderson, then it depends on what his actual value on the market is (not among fans on here). If its a guy like Dvorak, then yeah, the Florida 1st (if its not too high or there's not a guy Montreal loves at the spot) being the big piece.

Sean Behrens might be a more enticing pieces than any prospects we would be willing to give.

I am not sure Beck is more interesting than a 2023 late first.

I think our main argument for Dubois is really FLA 1st. It is an asset i would feel comfortable to give and it is an asset that would be tough to beat from other team. (Id give FLA 1st before Hutson and Mailloux).


I would rather give FLA 1st than Hutson. Don't get me wrong. In fact, i would not touch Hutson, too much starpower and potential in this young fella.

I mean, Montreal's not trading Hutson.

I'm kind of curious how you think the Avs (if they were willing to move Behrens) would even be able to afford to pay Dubois. They've got like 13 mil to fill 7-10 roster spots. Even if they trade a guy like Girard, they'd be in real tough to give a mid-8s contract to Dubois, re-sign Byram and fill out their roster and still be competitive. Especially since Toews is due a substantial raise in 2024.

There are other teams that can make generous offers, but the question is where would Dubois want to sign? He's asked out of Columbus and it doesn't look like he wants to sign in Winnipeg. Need to have an idea of the market (and what the Jets ask would be) before you can guess the cost.

wasnt sure if i should make a new thread or just post here but according to Lavoie at the 2016 draft we finished second in the lottery for 1st place behind Toronto so we almost landed Matthews

That year we drafted Sergachev and later traded him for Drouin

What exactly does that mean? Its a lottery, there is no "second". If I recall correctly, Montreal had good odds (may have been best or second best) before the last ball came out, but that isn't finishing second.

 

[Jaynki]

Don't know much about Behrens to know or comment.

I do think Beck is equal or greater than a late 1st. It's a WJC talent so a fair hit. The late 1st is not a hit until it is. Today, I would pick Beck over a late 1st.

I'm all over the Panthers 1st as the prime dangle piece for Dubois. I just wonder what happens if it wins a lottery spot. Changes things

If it wins a lottery spot, we totally keep it. We will have to find another way to acquire Dubois tho.

Picking 1-2-3 and 5-6-7 would probably be a long way into moving the rebuild forward. Much like the Sens when they acquired Stutzle and Sanderson in the same draft.

 

[Habs 4 Life]

Dubois will get traded here for the Florida pick in this draft . If they want anymore than that they can go fly a kite

They can have that pick to be honest if it returns Dubois, I really think the Panthers finish 8th or 9th. The pick will probably be around 14-16 IMO

And if that pick wins the lottery, oh well no deal!

 

[Jaynki]

It depends on what else is part of the deal. It would be pretty important for Montreal to send salary out. If that salary is Anderson, then it depends on what his actual value on the market is (not among fans on here). If its a guy like Dvorak, then yeah, the Florida 1st (if its not too high or there's not a guy Montreal loves at the spot) being the big piece.



I mean, Montreal's not trading Hutson.

I'm kind of curious how you think the Avs (if they were willing to move Behrens) would even be able to afford to pay Dubois. They've got like 13 mil to fill 7-10 roster spots. Even if they trade a guy like Girard, they'd be in real tough to give a mid-8s contract to Dubois, re-sign Byram and fill out their roster and still be competitive. Especially since Toews is due a substantial raise in 2024.

There are other teams that can make generous offers, but the question is where would Dubois want to sign? He's asked out of Columbus and it doesn't look like he wants to sign in Winnipeg. Need to have an idea of the market (and what the Jets ask would be) before you can guess the cost.

I agree on not trading Hutson. The kid has too much talent and he could be special, we have to try and discover it with our team. I was just speculating with the other posters on pieces required to land the best offer for Dubois.

FLA 1st + Dvorak would be a very good basis for a deal for Dubois and for both teams in my opinion. I think WPG is interested in players with terms because of how hard it is to bring free agent there and retain their talent. They acquired Niederreiter who is signed for one more years at the trade deadline.

 

[Whalers Fan]

King of agree with that but what happens if the Panthers pick wins one of two lotteries? Not probable but lets just say

Then we all dance drunk in the streets and don't care if PLD ever becomes a Habs.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Then we all dance drunk in the streets and don't care if PLD ever becomes a Habs.

I'll be dancing yes but Personally, we need Dubois too. Keep adding!

 

[Habs 4 Life]

It depends on what else is part of the deal. It would be pretty important for Montreal to send salary out. If that salary is Anderson, then it depends on what his actual value on the market is (not among fans on here). If its a guy like Dvorak, then yeah, the Florida 1st (if its not too high or there's not a guy Montreal loves at the spot) being the big piece.



I mean, Montreal's not trading Hutson.

I'm kind of curious how you think the Avs (if they were willing to move Behrens) would even be able to afford to pay Dubois. They've got like 13 mil to fill 7-10 roster spots. Even if they trade a guy like Girard, they'd be in real tough to give a mid-8s contract to Dubois, re-sign Byram and fill out their roster and still be competitive. Especially since Toews is due a substantial raise in 2024.

There are other teams that can make generous offers, but the question is where would Dubois want to sign? He's asked out of Columbus and it doesn't look like he wants to sign in Winnipeg. Need to have an idea of the market (and what the Jets ask would be) before you can guess the cost.



What exactly does that mean? Its a lottery, there is no "second". If I recall correctly, Montreal had good odds (may have been best or second best) before the last ball came out, but that isn't finishing second.

I agree on not trading Hutson. The kid has too much talent and he could be special, we have to try and discover it with our team. I was just speculating with the other posters on pieces required to land the best offer for Dubois.

FLA 1st + Dvorak would be a very good basis for a deal for Dubois and for both teams in my opinion. I think WPG is interested in players with terms because of how hard it is to bring free agent there and retain their talent. They acquired Niederreiter who is signed for one more years at the trade deadline.

Ya, Hutson is not going anywhere. I know it's early, but the kid is having a better season than Luke Hughes did last year for Michigan as a 1st year. It's unreal. He is not moving

 

[Ozmodiar]

It’ll be interesting to seeing how PLD finishes out the season.

Winnipeg 1 win in last 7. PLD -10, 2 points. Something to keep an eye on. Folks are expecting a 1st line center.

 

[Captain Mountain]

It’ll be interesting to seeing how PLD finishes out the season.

Winnipeg 1 win in last 7. PLD -10, 2 points. Something to keep an eye on. Folks are expecting a 1st line center.

I mean, PLD has always been a center that can play on the top line more than a top line center. A rich man's Danault if you will. But its kind of interesting because this is the 2nd straight season his play has slipped in last quarter of the season. You can probably have a competitive team with him and Suzuki as your top two centers, but Montreal really needs get their hands on at least one guy that's closer to a true star/superstar one way or another.

 

[Colezuki]

I mean, PLD has always been a center that can play on the top line more than a top line center. A rich man's Danault if you will. But its kind of interesting because this is the 2nd straight season his play has slipped in last quarter of the season. You can probably have a competitive team with him and Suzuki as your top two centers, but Montreal really needs get their hands on at least one guy that's closer to a true star/superstar one way or another.

Do we? as long as there surrounded by strong wingers like Cole or our superstar is a winger to go with those two it should be fine, ala Bergeron and Krejci with Pasta and Marchand

 

[HuGo Sham]

I can write in hiragana, but I didn't presume too much. One or the perks of being a prof is being lifelong student. Mata kondo.

very cool. I hope you both get back there soon

 

[Captain Mountain]

Do we? as long as there surrounded by strong wingers like Cole or our superstar is a winger to go with those two it should be fine, ala Bergeron and Krejci with Pasta and Marchand

Bergeron is a top-10 center in the NHL, has won more Selkes than any other player and is arguably the best two-way center in NHL history. I get that playing on the perfection line may be helping his production, but due respect to Dubois and Suzuki, neither are close to being in the same category as Bergeron.

 

[sampollock]

HERE YOU GO a PLD rumor:
This time, it's Pierre LeBrun's turn to add on the subject. And he even goes so far as to say that the Habs may not wait until the summer of 2024 to acquire the Quebecer.

“There's always a chance that Dubois will change his mind, obviously. We'll see. But I think that situation is heading towards an offseason trade, like a year ago with Matthew Tkachuk and the Calgary Flames. The Canadiens showed interest last year, and there's no reason not to this time around. - Pierre LeBrun

 

[BergevinBurner]

HERE YOU GO a PLD rumor:
This time, it's Pierre LeBrun's turn to add on the subject. And he even goes so far as to say that the Habs may not wait until the summer of 2024 to acquire the Quebecer.

“There's always a chance that Dubois will change his mind, obviously. We'll see. But I think that situation is heading towards an offseason trade, like a year ago with Matthew Tkachuk and the Calgary Flames. The Canadiens showed interest last year, and there's no reason not to this time around. - Pierre LeBrun

If he doesn't end up in Montreal then this has been the biggest cock tease of all time by the media.