HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #84: Off-Season edition

[danyhabsfan]

I may be in the minority but I'd trade Harris for a late first. (22nd-26th pick)

I don't see the upside. (He'll be 23 in july)

He's small and doesn't bring a lof of offense. I don't see him playing on the PP and on the PK. I prefer 3rd pair defenseman that have special role.

I don't like the comparable but I see a Victor Mete career down the road. I hope I'm wrong cause he's a great person.

 

[Whalers Fan]

We need a top RHD .

Jiricek from Columbus would be my pick
Barron Sucks, Mailloux will be a second pair.
Unless we draft Reinbacher at #6 we will continue to suck.

what would be the cost ??

Habs first pick 2024 (top 10 protected) + Barron + Kidney ??

Columbus isn't trading Jiricek except for a huge over-payment, and this isn't it. If the Habs really wanted Jiricek, they should have drafted him.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Jets are frugal as a small market team. Starts with Dubois and Bowness tried to convince him to stay by putting Connor with him. Now it's very possible that they have come to realize that Dubois is not changing his mind so Connor is with Scheifele now. So the focus now shifts to Scheifele and Helle.

I think there is a fair chance they trade all 3 in the next year (Dubois, Scheifele, and Helle) and do a mini rebuild around Connor, Morrisey, and Perfetti. Elhers as well I guess. They do draft very well and can get some very good futures if they trade Dubois, Scheifele, and Helle.

I'm calling it now, Dubois to the Habs this summer and Scheifele to the Avs. Helle may be traded at a later date. If they have plans on trading both Dubois and Scheifele, I can see them taking Dvorak in the Dubois trade. Basically a center depth guy during their mini rebuild. If they don't, they still have to sign centers and maybe Toews is one of their plans. But does Toews want to come home for a rebuild or sign with the Avs or Bruins?

Yeah, if I'm Jets I move Schiefele, Helle & PLD this summer & pick up some extra 1sts this year & next. Use next season to play Perfetti at center and see if he's able to handle that.

Try to pick up some young centers in any of the trades. Say LAK are interested in Helle, they have Kupari and/or Turcotte that Jets could like. Plus, some RD that Jets could use in their system.

Montreal obviously has an extra 1st this year. Not sure they'd be interested in Dvorak, but it would move Lowry back to 4th line centre. Good player, but gets over matched if played too high. Perfetti, Kupari, Dvorak, Lowry. They do have McGroarty and Lucius, who plays center in their system.

If they move Helle, they'll need a goalie.

They really shouldn't double down on a core that has proven it isn't good enough.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Yeah, if I'm Jets I move Schiefele, Helle & PLD this summer & pick up some extra 1sts this year & next. Use next season to play Perfetti at center and see if he's able to handle that.

Try to pick up some young centers in any of the trades. Say LAK are interested in Helle, they have Kupari and/or Turcotte that Jets could like. Plus, some RD that Jets could use in their system.

Montreal obviously has an extra 1st this year. Not sure they'd be interested in Dvorak, but it would move Lowry back to 4th line centre. Good player, but gets over matched if played too high. Perfetti, Kupari, Dvorak, Lowry. They do have McGroarty and Lucius, who plays center in their system.

If they move Helle, they'll need a goalie.

They really shouldn't double down on a core that has proven it isn't good enough.

I see it the same. All eyes on the Jets this summer. I wonder what ownership/GM thinks about a mini-rebuild.

 

[calder candidate]

Harris is higher in the hierarchy than Kovacevic and they will certainly not be trading Harris to keep Savard/Edmundson in the lineup...

Savard play on the right side and bring experience, Kovacevic a perfectly adequate 3rd pairing RD or 7D on a cheap contract for the next 2 years. Edmundson is the on is way out but he is still a NHLer.
Harris is higher than Edmundson, Savard and Kovacevic but he still seem to be stuck in no man land and seem like the odd man out, with Matheson, Guhle, Xhekaj and Hutson coming… Savard, Kovacevic can play RD for the next 2 years. How is keeping Harris helping in the next 2 years, especially he hasn’t been great when playing the right side, even when Savard and Kovacevic are gone Harris would still not be the ideal solution.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Savard play on the right side and bring experience, Kovacevic a perfectly adequate 3rd pairing RD or 7D on a cheap contract for the next 2 years. Edmundson is the on is way out but he is still a NHLer.
Harris is higher than Edmundson, Savard and Kovacevic but he still seem to be stuck in no man land and seem like the odd man out, with Matheson, Guhle, Xhekaj and Hutson coming… Savard, Kovacevic can play RD for the next 2 years. How is keeping Harris helping in the next 2 years, especially he hasn’t been great when playing the right side, even when Savard and Kovacevic are gone Harris would still not be the ideal solution.

Edmundson should be traded this summer, and the d-corps next season should be:
Matheson - Savard
Guhle - Barron
Harris - Xhekaj
Kovacevic

Its pretty simple.
If after next season, they need to make room for another kid (possibly Hutson), then you trade Savard who will have 1 year left on his contract.

 

[DAChampion]

I may be in the minority but I'd trade Harris for a late first. (22nd-26th pick)

I don't see the upside. (He'll be 23 in july)

He's small and doesn't bring a lof of offense. I don't see him playing on the PP and on the PK. I prefer 3rd pair defenseman that have special role.

I don't like the comparable but I see a Victor Mete career down the road. I hope I'm wrong cause he's a great person.

Harris will be like Mete, but better. He's more intelligent and has the potential to make plays, and he doesn't need to be paired with Weber to be effective.

 

[1909]

Edmundson should be traded this summer, and the d-corps next season should be:
Matheson - Savard
Guhle - Barron
Harris - Xhekaj
Kovacevic

Its pretty simple.
If after next season, they need to make room for another kid (possibly Hutson), then you trade Savard who will have 1 year left on his contract.

Whre is Mailloux in your plan ? He will be at NHL level way before Hutson.

 

[Guy Larose]

We need a top RHD .

Jiricek from Columbus would be my pick
Barron Sucks, Mailloux will be a second pair.
Unless we draft Reinbacher at #6 we will continue to suck.

what would be the cost ??

Habs first pick 2024 (top 10 protected) + Barron + Kidney ??

Barron doesn't suck. He was coming on great before getting hurt and he's still young. Give him a chance before using the HF bad player evaluation bit.

 

[TomKosto]

We need a top RHD .

Jiricek from Columbus would be my pick
Barron Sucks, Mailloux will be a second pair.
Unless we draft Reinbacher at #6 we will continue to suck.

what would be the cost ??

Habs first pick 2024 (top 10 protected) + Barron + Kidney ??

Why would Clbs trade him? It's not NHL23 on PS5.

 

[ReHabs]

I may be in the minority but I'd trade Harris for a late first. (22nd-26th pick)

I don't see the upside. (He'll be 23 in july)

He's small and doesn't bring a lof of offense. I don't see him playing on the PP and on the PK. I prefer 3rd pair defenseman that have special role.

I don't like the comparable but I see a Victor Mete career down the road. I hope I'm wrong cause he's a great person.

Who'd acquire Harris for a first round pick?

Maybe a competitive, cap-strapped team that sees untapped upside in him... but if the case is that he has untapped upside we might as well hold onto him, no?

 

[danyhabsfan]

Who'd acquire Harris for a first round pick?

Maybe a competitive, cap-strapped team that sees untapped upside in him... but if the case is that he has untapped upside we might as well hold onto him, no?

What upside? I dont see it.

 

[ReHabs]

What upside? I dont see it.

If he doesn't have upside, why would any team acquire him for a first round pick?

 

[JoelWarlord]

What upside? I dont see it.

If there's no upside with Harris, why would another team pay a 1st round pick for him? And alternatively, if a contender is willing to pay a 1st for him, I'd probably be wondering if I'm missing something about the player. I get your point about him not having a specialized role, and generally I would agree, but I'm not sure if that's really an issue with the specifics of Montreal's future on D. Montreal is in a good position to use a player like Harris who might not have a natural fit on either special team but is a great 5v5 transition player given we have so many other players who are natural fits for one of the special teams units.

We already have Matheson for PP1 while we wait and see what happens with Hutson and Mailloux, and with Guhle around we'll never need more than one PP specialist as he's a perfectly capable PP2 option, as are Xhekaj, Barron, and Harris for that matter. On the PK we have Guhle, Xhekaj, and Savard as mainstays for the next few years with Edmundson as a stopgap, and it's not going to be a problem to fit one of Kovacevic, Harris, or Barron in as the 4th PK dman in the future.

Why can't Harris just be an "even strength" specialist? Lots of teams carry poor defenders for the PP value, why can't we have one guy that's a relatively weak PP/PK guy for the sake of his EV play? I also don't really agree with the idea that Harris doesn't bring offence. For defencemen offence is more than just point totals and Harris does a lot of things that help a team produce with him on the ice even if he's not the one getting points.

 

[ReHabs]

It’s Harris’ rookie season no less, you can expect some growth in his game between now and this time next year.

His contract extension was perfectly tuned to his trajectory imo.

 

[jellybeans]

What upside? I dont see it.

Sorry but you don't seem to see much.

 

[Sorinth]

I doubt Harris gets you 1st round pick. He can surely be packaged with other assets to get a bigger name, but alone it's doubtful he has much trade value.

Now he probably is the odd man out on the LD but there's no real rush to move him. Some of your young D will struggle at some point next season and so having Harris there to help push the internal competition is a good thing. And although we hopefully won't suffer as many injuries as this year, we also aren't going to be 100% injury free so even if he's the 7th D he'll still play get a decent number of games.

Including him in a package for a marquee name, sure that makes sense. But going out and shopping him and then taking whatever the best pick/prospect we can get for him doesn't.

 

[smirob]

I think Harris will be expendable…but needs to be part of a bigger package for a PLD, Hart etc….

An equivalent RHD would be ok if we don’t land a big name

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

I may be in the minority but I'd trade Harris for a late first. (22nd-26th pick)

I don't see the upside. (He'll be 23 in july)

He's small and doesn't bring a lof of offense. I don't see him playing on the PP and on the PK. I prefer 3rd pair defenseman that have special role.

I don't like the comparable but I see a Victor Mete career down the road. I hope I'm wrong cause he's a great person.

I'm sure everyone would.

Harris is solid, but I don't think there's a lot there for him to get better. He's an NHLer

 

[danyhabsfan]

Sorry but you don't seem to see much.

he's gonna be 23 and he has not shown any offensive potential in any league.

If he doesn't have upside, why would any team acquire him for a first round pick?

that was the suggestion from another poster. Dont think teams offer a 1st rounder for him.

 

[Destopcorner]

Loved the Domi and Perry names for a comeback. Perry would be the ideal mentor for Slaf on the 4th and Domi would be very dynamuc and cocky next to his friend Andy. Send Dvo++ for Dubois and that's a pretty good lineup with solid group of young veterans.

Caufield-Suzy-RHP
Domi-Dubois-Andy
Farell-Dach-Heineman
Slaf-Evans-Perry
Hoffman,armia,Gally eating hot dogs

 

[Runner77]

I may be in the minority but I'd trade Harris for a late first. (22nd-26th pick)

I don't see the upside. (He'll be 23 in july)

He's small and doesn't bring a lof of offense. I don't see him playing on the PP and on the PK. I prefer 3rd pair defenseman that have special role.

I don't like the comparable but I see a Victor Mete career down the road. I hope I'm wrong cause he's a great person.

If he has that long of a laundry list of defects, who will possibly want to give up a 1st rounder for him? Habs would need to add significantly and at that point, might as well move someone else.

Edit: just saw that others before me have taken the same stance.

 

[SlafySZN]

Loved the Domi and Perry names for a comeback. Perry would be the ideal mentor for Slaf on the 4th and Domi would be very dynamuc and cocky next to his friend Andy. Send Dvo++ for Dubois and that's a pretty good lineup with solid group of young veterans.

Caufield-Suzy-RHP
Domi-Dubois-Andy
Farell-Dach-Heineman
Slaf-Evans-Perry
Hoffman,armia,Gally eating hot dogs

Slaf won’t play on the 4th line. If so, he’s gonna be in Laval.

The habs are in a rebuild and will concentrate on developing the kids. they won’t burry Slaf on the 4th and Dach on the 3rd line for domi, anderson, dubois.

 

[The Great Weal]

I can't f***ing believe we got 17 million in Price and Gallagher that we can't use and another 8 million in Armia and Hoffman. 25 million dollars of nothing. That's money for two superstars.

 

[Habaddict]

Farrell was just so impressive this weekend, granted it was Princeton but still it was the way he played in a series they easily had locked up but he just brought it. To me this vid shows what the Habs will be getting.

If farrel is WPG's price for PDL? Is that good or bad
for habs?