HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #84: Off-Season edition

[Sasha Orlov]

You better sign an elite goaltender because we will get destroyed defensively.

Ah yes the old 2010-2021 Habs strategy that was very successful

 

[26Mats]

You better sign an elite goaltender because we will get destroyed defensively.

Will be interesting to see how good Mailloux, Barron, and Xhekaj will be defensively- and if Matheson can clean up his turnovers.

 

[Habs Halifax]

However, a late 1st rounder may have more value in a trade than Harris with a team not needing LHDs...

I'm also not sure we can get a 1st rounder for Harris. We say he's more valuable to us than a late 1st rounder, but we may also be over evaluating him when we say he could fetch us a late first rounder...

Same here. Not even sure a team offers us a late 1st for Harris. He's that type that is not horrible or great. As a undersized guy who holds his own in the D zone, he's not producing that much production. Just a decent good all around type. I do like his skating/vision and compete level.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Will be interesting to see how good Mailloux, Barron, and Xhekaj will be defensively- and if Matheson can clean up his turnovers.

We'd be lucky if Mailloux was passable defensively. People talk about sheltering Hutson but Mailloux is the one who will need to the most sheltering.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Will be interesting to see how good Mailloux, Barron, and Xhekaj will be defensively- and if Matheson can clean up his turnovers.

I have seen Matheson improve as the season moved along. I like what I see and I can see him maturing even more. Lots of guys like him have good back end primes. He's playing a bit more physical which I like.

 

[Benstheman]

Ah yes the old 2010-2021 Habs strategy that was very successful

Well you won't be really successful lining up 4 Gustafssons and Shattenkirks.

 

[SOLR]

We'd be lucky if Mailloux was passable defensively. People talk about sheltering Hutson but Mailloux is the one who will need to the most sheltering.

This is why we need a young one whose main strength is to play tight D. We have a lot of offensively-minded D prospects. Barron, Mailloux, Hutson, and they all play on the same side.

 

[Scriptor]

Jets are frugal as a small market team. Starts with Dubois and Bowness tried to convince him to stay by putting Connor with him. Now it's very possible that they have come to realize that Dubois is not changing his mind so Connor is with Scheifele now. So the focus now shifts to Scheifele and Helle.

I think there is a fair chance they trade all 3 in the next year (Dubois, Scheifele, and Helle) and do a mini rebuild around Connor, Morrisey, and Perfetti. Elhers as well I guess. They do draft very well and can get some very good futures if they trade Dubois, Scheifele, and Helle.

I'm calling it now, Dubois to the Habs this summer and Scheifele to the Avs. Helle may be traded at a later date. If they have plans on trading both Dubois and Scheifele, I can see them taking Dvorak in the Dubois trade. Basically a center depth guy during their mini rebuild. If they don't, they still have to sign centers and maybe Toews is one of their plans. But does Toews want to come home for a rebuild or sign with the Avs or Bruins?

The situation with Wheeler, Scheifele and Hellebuyck will determine whether WIN is forced into a rebuild.

Dubois leaving appears to be a given.

Wheeler, now 36, has slowed down since his 91-point production last seen in 2018-2019, but he's seemingly still good for a 60+ point production and that is still excellent 2nd line production.

He could be a candidate for a shorter term contract after next year (1 or 2 seasons), but he's also likely to want to play those last remaining seasons on a potential winner. Would he believe that WIN can represent that? Scheifele and Hellebuyck staying or not will go a long ways towards convincing him. I don't think he sticks around for a reset.

Losing Scheifele (after Dubois) is one thing, but, IMO, for a reset/rebuild on the fly, keeping Hellebuyck is essential and far from certain.

WIN, with Connor, Ehlers, Morrisey, Pionk, Perfetti and Niedereitter, however, would still have a decent core to build around, especially if they succeeded in extending Hellebuyck...

 

[Habs Halifax]

This is why we need a young one whose main strength is to play tight D. We have a lot of offensively-minded D prospects. Barron, Mailloux, Hutson, and they all play on the same side.

Guhle and Xhekaj are a good start and Savard is around for a while yet.

Barron has improved in the D zone when we compare his game to last year. The Habs clearly have him focused in that area.

Mailloux is raw talent and we just have to let the development process play out. I have him similar to Barron where he needs a few AHL years to mature his pro game.

Hutson? If he is producing points, you make room.

Engstrom has some grit to this game. Very early in the process.

It will take years before we know how good this D core is and we will be drafting more in the next few drafts.

 

[26Mats]

We'd be lucky if Mailloux was passable defensively. People talk about sheltering Hutson but Mailloux is the one who will need to the most sheltering.

We'll see. He's still so young and missed so much time. Will be good for the Hunters and our development staff to keep working with him on the defensive side over the next few years.

 

[Habs Halifax]

The situation with Wheeler, Scheifele and Hellebuyck will determine whether WIN is forced into a rebuild.

Dubois leaving appears to be a given.

Wheeler, now 36, has slowed down since his 91-point production last seen in 2018-2019, but he's seemingly still good for a 60+ point production and that is still excellent 2nd line production.

He could be a candidate for a shorter term contract after next year (1 or 2 seasons), but he's also likely to want to play those last remaining seasons on a potential winner. Would he believe that WIN can represent that? Scheifele and Hellebuyck staying or not will go a long ways towards convincing him. I don't think he sticks around for a reset.

Losing Scheifele (after Dubois) is one thing, but, IMO, for a reset/rebuild on the fly, keeping Hellebuyck is essential and far from certain.

WIN, with Connor, Ehlers, Morrisey, Pionk, Perfetti and Niedereitter, however, would still have a decent core to build around, especially if they succeeded in extending Hellebuyck...

I can see them holding onto Hellebuyck but you can't force him to sign after his term ends. But yes, I do see a potential for them to do a very good mini rebuild and the Jets really do draft well. They could exit from this and be on a much better team control path in 3-5 years.

The question is does ownership/management want the mini-rebuild or do they prefer to be on the wild card bubble chase. Their hand may be forced though

 

[WeThreeKings]

We'll see. He's still so young and missed so much time. Will be good for the Hunters and our development staff to keep working with him on the defensive side over the next few years.

Hunters got no control over him after this season and I haven't seen a huge improvement, it's better but it's still not quality even at the OHL level.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

We'll see. He's still so young and missed so much time. Will be good for the Hunters and our development staff to keep working with him on the defensive side over the next few years.

its hes last year with London he cant play in the CHL next year

 

[WeThreeKings]

its hes last year with London he cant play in the CHL next year

He can go back as an overager but I don't see that happening.

 

[26Mats]

Hunters got no control over him after this season and I haven't seen a huge improvement, it's better but it's still not quality even at the OHL level.

yeah after this season it's all on us. It's still very early for the kid.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

He can go back as an overager but I don't see that happening.

oh my apologies lol

 

[26Mats]

its hes last year with London he cant play in the CHL next year

I think he can play as an overager. But all signs point to him turning pro. But Hunter still has the remainder of this year to work with him.

 

[WeThreeKings]

yeah after this season it's all on us. It's still very early for the kid.

I've seen a lot of people prematurely penciling him into the line-up. I wouldn't be surprised if he is a 2 to 3 year project in the AHL.

 

[Scriptor]

Good piece to have in transition years. I like Harris more than Kova. Engstrom has years before he is ready. Not sure what kind of sky rocket development Hutson is on to be honest. Trying to stay humble with that.

I'd also rate Harris higher than Kovacevic as he can play decently on the right side as a 3rd pairing D.

Savard may only have a couple more good years he's 33...

If Mailloux and Hutson make it. I'm not sure there's room for Harris:

Guhle - Mailloux
Matheson - Barron
Hutson - Xhekaj

I don't Harris ahead of any of those players. But maybe one of Mailloux or Hutson doesn't make it. And there may be trades...

Personally not sold on Barron, whom I consider quite soft and not enough of an offensive s=dynamo to warrant that...

 

[26Mats]

I'd also rate Harris higher than Kovacevic as he can play decently on the right side as a 3rd pairing D.


Personally not sold on Barron, whom I consider quite soft and not enough of an offensive s=dynamo to warrant that...

Barron is still a question mark, but still young, and has a lot of talent. one thing almost certainly the case: what we see with him now isn't what we'll see in 3 to 4 years when he reaches his prime. But just what he'll be is an open book...

 

[Habs Halifax]

Not like I hate or like this idea but how does our herd feel about this Dubois trade....

* Dubois and his RFA year (we extend him)
* Jets 2023 1st
for
* Dach (3 years of control with one RFA year left after)
* Maybe a small add from the Habs. Kapanen or Tuch type

 

[calder candidate]

you realise harris still a rookie that is playing way more games then he used to.
Usually physical and mental fatigue can blunt progress, lets wait and see what an offseason or two bring.
player development in real life not as fast as in a video game

I agree but how much progression would be required for most to dress him above Matheson, Guhle or Xhekaj on the left side because Guhle and Xhekaj also have the same room for developing + we have Hutson who blew away everyone… Harris is a great D but he doesn’t bring anything that another D can’t bring, on the right side he struggled like most of our LD that were switch… Savard bring experience, Kovacevic is cheap and perfectly adequate for 6/7, we have Baron and mailloux (to try to fill that spot on RD. If we are comfortable with Barron we have no real need for Harris short term. Will is trade value be higher or lower next year? We will really need him in 3 years when Savard, Kovacevic contract are done and if Baron and Mailloux or anyone else pan out…

Harris is good and will have a great career but if we don’t have a chair for him because, we just have to many guy with high upside, Harris is way to good to be in and out of the lineup or 7th D, if is value is high enough might as well trade him, trade from a position of strength to fill a position of weakness, if we acquire a similar type of RD or Goalie prospect or a 1st, it seem better for the team than having the league best 4th LD, you can never enough D and lot of things can happen but we need to make. A move in order to move fw.

23-24
Guhle Matheson
Edmundson Savard
Xhekaj Baron /
Kovacevic
Harris could beat out Baron and kovacevic but how much better are we as a team to improve on our #6 if the replacement is already NHL level…
Once Edmundson is traded you bring back kovacevic in the line up and put everyone on the natural side.

24-25
Matheson Savard
Guhle Barron
Xhekaj Kovacevic
cheap vet 7th D (maybe Hutson or Mailloux can push Kovacevic to 7thD)

25-26
Guhle Matheson
Xhekaj Barron
Hutson Mailloux
Here is when Harris would be useful since Hutson, Barron, Mailloux aren’t sure thing…

 

[tazsub3]

I agree but how much progression would be required for most to dress him above Matheson, Guhle or Xhekaj on the left side because Guhle and Xhekaj also have the same room for developing + we have Hutson who blew away everyone… Harris is a great D but he doesn’t bring anything that another D can’t bring, on the right side he struggled like most of our LD that were switch… Savard bring experience, Kovacevic is cheap and perfectly adequate for 6/7, we have Baron and mailloux (to try to fill that spot on RD. If we are comfortable with Barron we have no real need for Harris short term. Will is trade value be higher or lower next year? We will really need him in 3 years when Savard, Kovacevic contract are done and if Baron and Mailloux or anyone else pan out…

Harris is good and will have a great career but if we don’t have a chair for him because, we just have to many guy with high upside, Harris is way to good to be in and out of the lineup or 7th D, if is value is high enough might as well trade him, trade from a position of strength to fill a position of weakness, if we acquire a similar type of RD or Goalie prospect or a 1st, it seem better for the team than having the league best 4th LD, you can never enough D and lot of things can happen but we need to make. A move in order to move fw.

23-24
Guhle Matheson
Edmundson Savard
Xhekaj Baron /
Kovacevic
Harris could beat out Baron and kovacevic but how much better are we as a team to improve on our #6 if the replacement is already NHL level…
Once Edmundson is traded you bring back kovacevic in the line up and put everyone on the natural side.

24-25
Matheson Savard
Guhle Barron
Xhekaj Kovacevic
cheap vet 7th D (maybe Hutson or Mailloux can push Kovacevic to 7thD)

25-26
Guhle Matheson
Xhekaj Barron
Hutson Mailloux
Here is when Harris would be useful since Hutson, Barron, Mailloux aren’t sure thing…

very well put reply. You have a point, while i was looking purely on his progress, sometimes a position of strenght can be used to improve other positions.
And surely that wont be using ghule nor xhekaj

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Not like I hate or like this idea but how does our herd feel about this Dubois trade....

* Dubois and his RFA year (we extend him)
* Jets 2023 1st
for
* Dach (3 years of control with one RFA year left after)
* Maybe a small add from the Habs. Kapanen or Tuch type

There's not even a 1% chance of the habs trading Dach for Dubois. Dubois doesn't have that kind of value, and the habs will definitely not be trading their best prospects/young players for a player who is ufa in 1 year.

 

[danyhabsfan]

Not like I hate or like this idea but how does our herd feel about this Dubois trade....

* Dubois and his RFA year (we extend him)
* Jets 2023 1st
for
* Dach (3 years of control with one RFA year left after)
* Maybe a small add from the Habs. Kapanen or Tuch type

So the Jets gives up the best player + a 1st pick?