HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #84: Off-Season edition

[L4br3cqu3]

Would you guys offer sheet Lafreniere, give up our '24 first pick?

Nope, no offer sheets, never.

 

[Scriptor]

Guhle and Xhekaj are a good start and Savard is around for a while yet.

Barron has improved in the D zone when we compare his game to last year. The Habs clearly have him focused in that area.

Mailloux is raw talent and we just have to let the development process play out. I have him similar to Barron where he needs a few AHL years to mature his pro game.

Hutson? If he is producing points, you make room.

Engstrom has some grit to this game. Very early in the process.

It will take years before we know how good this D core is and we will be drafting more in the next few drafts.

"...and Savard is around for a while yet."

What's awhile to you?

IMO, Savard is gone, at the latest, trade deadline in two years. He'll be turning 35 in the first year of his next contract, if he signs one somewhere.

Savard is a warrior, but his mobility, with age, has taken a hit and shifting offensive formations in the O-zone that force him to stray away from the comfort of his own net have taken a toll on him, as could be clearly seen against Colorado that has no set position on the attack, preferring to challenge form open ice until the opposing D breaks down...

Nope, no offer sheets, never.

Correct. It is the perfect way to throw your cap structure completely ou of the window and put building a contender in peril...

 

[HuGort]

Nope, no offer sheets, never.

Similar to Koktaniemi offer sheet?

 

[Sterling Archer]

Gallagher & Florida s pick
for
Karlsson
Gally is done and Karlsson could possibly have a good 4 years left plus he's a righty

I don’t think anyone takes on Gallys contract now. Maybe in a few years when he’s on permanent LTIR a team will take him for a pick or to get to the floor, the Coyote special, but don’t see a hockey trade unless we’re taking another teams bad contract.

Also, you need to consider how mid loaded Gallys contract is. He’s making $8MM & $9MM in the next 2 years of actual salary. Exactly zero teams will touch that radio active contract.

 

[ReHabs]

Would you guys offer sheet Lafreniere, give up our '24 first pick?

Not sure what the compensation is but if it’s what KK got, sure. Laf is trending up and a mid round first is not worth much.

Depends mostly on the caphit not the compensation. A Dach-like contract offer will have him stay in NYR, but much more than 3.5m/yr is risky for a not yet reliably productive player.

 

[ReHabs]

Picking up on the Jets discussion without actually quoting anyone...Habs fan and Winnipegger here.

In my opinion, yes, the Jets are "frugal" but I think that frugality will manifest itself in a different way. I think ownership would place more value on making the playoffs, or even competing for a spot into April, than maximizing the return on a player. Like if Dubois is a Jet next TDL and they're within 10pts of a spot (insert "so you're saying there's a chance" meme) they'd hold onto him.

Winnipeggers are frugal too. 100$ to see a bottom-feeder is a tough sell. Further to that, True North has made some large investments in real estate developments in the downtown core (with another huge acquisition at the whisper stage) and I think ownership would see a lot of value in maintaining fan engagement and convincing people to come downtown. If you've been here, or you live here, you know - it's sketchy! People actually need convincing! It's one of the smallest rinks in the league, demand for tickets has already been dropping, the city's lost a team once. I see them as Murray Edwards' never-rebuild Flames.

I do absolutely agree that the fact decisions are due on so many of their stars at the same time could force their hand, but it wouldn't shock me to see them throw ridiculous money at Hellebuyck (think 11M+)even if they lose PLD and Scheifele to try and stay a bubble team rather than bottoming out however briefly or quickly you think you can do it.

As for the Habs angle.....I really hope PLD becomes a Hab. He's a force, and better than Suzuki imo. Through free agency, or without using either '23 1st. Stay the course, draft and develop, keep evaluating the prospects and kick the can down the road to when you have a better read on your potential and needs. The Atlantic should be even stronger next year too, Bruins notwithstanding.

Very good post and 100% agreed. I’d take a bullet for you sight unseen.

 

[Expos94]

This would be great for the tank, Karlsson would instantly be our worst defensive player

84 pts in 67 games on a terrible team . After this year the tank is over

I don’t think anyone takes on Gallys contract now. Maybe in a few years when he’s on permanent LTIR a team will take him for a pick or to get to the floor, the Coyote special, but don’t see a hockey trade unless we’re taking another teams bad contract.

Also, you need to consider how mid loaded Gallys contract is. He’s making $8MM & $9MM in the next 2 years of actual salary. Exactly zero teams will touch that radio active contract.

Didn't realize gally s contract was set up that way . Unbelievable

 

[L4br3cqu3]

Similar to Koktaniemi offer sheet?

GMs who makes offer sheets will always be f***ed over after that.

Yeah, by the rules you can, doesn't mean you should.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

84 pts in 67 games on a terrible team . After this year the tank is over

About to demolish the goals against record also

Keep dreaming about the bolded lmfao

 

[Destopcorner]

Slaf on the fourth line lmao.

Sadly he's not ready for first line duties but Slaf could very well be paired with Dach on the second/third. Actually he'd be dynamite with Dach and Perry who could teach em everything he does without the footspeed. Perry is the veteran presence you want around, not Hoffman and Drouin

Can't deny Domi-Dubois-Andy would be hard to play against and a very effective 2nd/3rd line imo

 

[ML16]

Tha

Not like I hate or like this idea but how does our herd feel about this Dubois trade....

* Dubois and his RFA year (we extend him)
* Jets 2023 1st
for
* Dach (3 years of control with one RFA year left after)
* Maybe a small add from the Habs. Kapanen or Tuch type

Including Dach would completely defeat the purpose of pursuing Dubois this summer.

Dubois and a late 1st, at the expense of Dach, is not worth eight years+ with both Dubois and Dach on the Habs roster as soon as 2024-2025.

Even if Dubois’ willing to a sign-and-trade to another team this summer, I highly doubt the Jets’ will get a Dach-quality player as the main asset; they have no leverage besides bluffing on the price tag of a TDL 2024 firesale.

 

[Miller Time]

I don’t think anyone takes on Gallys contract now. Maybe in a few years when he’s on permanent LTIR a team will take him for a pick or to get to the floor, the Coyote special, but don’t see a hockey trade unless we’re taking another teams bad contract.

Also, you need to consider how mid loaded Gallys contract is. He’s making $8MM & $9MM in the next 2 years of actual salary. Exactly zero teams will touch that radio active contract.

It's hard to fully articulate just how terrible this contract was from the very moment it was signed... How any owner could look at the body of work and offer MB another shot at the GM chair is beyond me, even when accounting for the ol' boys club

 

[Destopcorner]

It's hard to fully articulate just how terrible this contract was from the very moment it was signed... How any owner could look at the body of work and offer MB another shot at the GM chair is beyond me, even when accounting for the ol' boys club

Insanity indeed, tears included. For everyone.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Nope, no offer sheets, never.

Between $2.1M and $4.2M, the compensation is one second round pick. I think low-level offer sheets are underused by GMs.

 

[ReHabs]

Didn't realize gally s contract was set up that way . Unbelievable

Joel Armia’s contract is also back-loaded.

And yet no one in the media will ask why resident capologist and contract lead John Sedgwick was not just retained but promoted. Apparently it’s all entirely Bergevin’s fault and the guy who’s job it is to structure contracts bears no responsibility for the negative consequences of his work.

 

[Belial]

Between $2.1M and $4.2M, the compensation is one second round pick. I think low-level offer sheets are underused by GMs.

That's probably because guys will just reject those types of offer sheets.

 

[BaseballCoach]

That's probably because guys will just reject those types of offer sheets.

The offer sheet has to beat what the team is offering for sure, but if so, why would the player reject it?

 

[The Great Weal]

Tyler Bertuzzi is not off to a great start in Boston. Would love to get him on a short term deal.

 

[Belial]

The offer sheet has to beat what the team is offering for sure, but if so, why would the player reject it?

Feeling some sort of membership/connection/respect to the organization that drafted them, hoping to get the same deal out of them without signing an offer sheet?

 

[BaseballCoach]

Feeling some sort of membership/connection/respect to the organization that drafted them, hoping to get the same deal out of them without signing an offer sheet?

Say that the Habs, listening to the fans here, RELUCTANTLY send Gurianov his $2.9M QO.

Why would he not sign an offer sheet at $3.5M x 2 years from a team that believes in him more?

 

[Belial]

Say that the Habs, listening to the fans here, RELUCTANTLY send Gurianov his $2.9M QO.

Why would he not sign an offer sheet at $3.5M x 2 years from a team that believes in him more?

Gurianov is a bad example though, I don't think someone is going to offer sheet him...

But even if it happened.

MTL already kinda showed some sort of trust in him when they got him.

Then MSL put him on the first line right away and so on...

He's on pace for 36 goals since playing here and he seems to be enjoying it, why would he seek elsewhere when he (assumingly) likes it here?

 

[BaseballCoach]

Gurianov is a bad example though, I don't think someone is going to offer sheet him...

But even if it happened.

MTL already kinda showed some sort of trust in him when they got him.

Then MSL put him on the first line right away and so on...

He's on pace for 36 goals since playing here and he seems to be enjoying it, why would he seek elsewhere when he (assumingly) likes it here?

Maybe 2 years versus one year?

 

[Belial]

Maybe 2 years versus one year?

We're debating hypothetical stuff at this point.

Maybe HuGo will offer him a long-term deal at a low cap hit hoping he will explode during that contract?

I would take a chance TBH.

Another Curvy Duck type deal...

 

[Weltschmerz]

Between $2.1M and $4.2M, the compensation is one second round pick. I think low-level offer sheets are underused by GMs.

Sandin would have been a good target last offseason, asked for a trade, Dubas had no cap to give him much. Now caps paid a frist +.

 

[ReHabs]

Sandin would have been a good target last offseason, asked for a trade, Dubas had no cap to give him much. Now caps paid a frist +.

It would've been strange for a deeply rebuilding Habs to target Sandin but I remember wanting him last year. Offersheets are great and should be utilized much more often.