HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #84: Off-Season edition

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BergevinBurner

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No need to trade for him as we don't need him immediately.

Why give any assets when you can get him for free in free agency.
Because there's no guarantee he signs here even if he'd like to play in Montreal.

If we have a situation where he's only willing to accept a sign and trade to Montreal then we jump on it assuming the money makes sense, but if he walks to UFA and we're offering 8 million per season and some other team that's desperate for a 1C offers 10M+ then good luck getting him.
 

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My thoughts for the habs assuming they don't go after PLD and don't aggressively go after trades/free agents to get better for next season and the habs don't win the lottery. This is from looking through various leagues, too. Stats, or heard their name before.

NCAA: Free agent Jake Livingstone - Jake Livingstone at eliteprospects.com

Sign him when his season is over. He can get the games here considering how often this team is hurt. Strong chance to start the season with the team next season, too.

For the ECHL
Josh Lawerence

On pace for his 2nd consecutvie 100+ season. Undersized, so go similar to RHP and Simoneau. Get a contract, start in the ECHL and work his way up.

Tristan Allard

Not going to lie, I didn't even know he's from my hometown, but would like to see him get an opportunity

Players already in the ECHL
Zach O'Brien Zach O'Brien at eliteprospects.com

I'd sign him to a two-way minor league deal with a deal in place to give him a 1 year 1 way minor league deal at 100k for the AHL the next season. Keep looking for deals like this so our ECHL team will be a good team, too, or at least have some skilled (relative to the league) players on the team who are also permanent there.

Xavier Parent - Xavier Parent at eliteprospects.com

Looks to be a good ECHL player. Quebecois kid, so good for the team in the community, too. Have him be a callup to Laval.

I'd look for another player who's solid in the ECHL as Brett Stapley has done well based on stats and should deserve a look into the A.

Fun fact. P3L played for 3R this year.

AHL
Theo Rochette Théo Rochette at eliteprospects.com
AHL deal. See how the kid does. A bit more size than the others, but could easily go the same route as Lawerence and Allard.

Sign TJ Tynan to a 2 year, one-way contract at 750k for being the leader and main player in Laval. Give him a callup around the deadline when the team sucks and is likely (hopefully) sitting players for trades

Acquire Alex Barre-Boulet to be a tweener. A player who plays well in the A, but can get a callup to see what he has.

Justin Brazeau - Was the top CHL free agent a few seasons back, 25 now playing in the AHL and doing well. His 6'6 frame and solid speed for a guy his size would be nice in the A and with our likely decimated roster might have a solid chance to play NHL games and sign with us.

Don't have to do all 5, but I'd say 1 prospect, TJ and 1 of ABB, or Brazeau signed.

Brandon Baddock, or other tough guy + another player capable of handling himself. HuGo has gotten understand that the A is still a league for toughness required... I hope.

On D look to sign:

Joe Hicketts - Undersized, puck moving d. Possibly give him a similar contract to Tynan to be the main offensive player down there

Christain Wolanin - Says he's from Montreal. Had a great year in the A.

Main team:

Depending on whether Monahan plays again this season, I'd re-sign him. If he doesn't, don't bother with the headache.

Bring in 1 of Milan Lucic, or Ryan Reaves. Let them help give Xhekaj tips on fighting and let him feel the need that he doesn't need to respond to anything and everything.

Bring in 1 of, but preferably Zach MacEwen, or Brendan Lemieux. MacEwen seems like a better fighter and player. Simply added to the lineup to the 4th line for a little more bulk incase things go sour in a game.

Bottom 6 would have Pezzetta, Reaves/Lucic Lemieux/MacEwen. Not ideal, but the team, unless they really go aggressive won't have a good bottom 6 regardless. At least this way, maybe Xhekaj wont get hurt ?

John Klingberg - Rumoured to be wanting to sign a 1 year deal here to be dealt to Edmonton, or just come here in general. Habs need a PPQB, he could take another chance on himself with a 1 year deal here. Cole healthy, new season, maybe he has better luck with the habs, gets dealt at the deadline and it's a win-win for everyone

Tyler Bertuzzi - Middle 6, but likely top 6 player who can be effective. A less beat up, but tougher Gallagher ? Would obviously take a big contract. He might not want to sign with a Canadian team because of the covid restrictions and how he wasnt, or never did get vaccinated, but now that that's past, might be fine with it. Put a big number for his 1st season here. Tell him the 23-24 season will likely result in missed playoffs and maybe be "out" by January, but his signing would signal the turn to start competing again. I know I said no major deals, but this might be one worth while.

Miles Wood - Big boy who can throw a hit. Has some nice speed and hands. Good 3rd liner. Likely a more attainable signing than Bertuzzi.

Nick Ritchie - Another one for the 3rd line. Another dude with size, physicality and can chuck them while being able to score. In my opinion worth the contract. Well, depending on the contract obviously.

Austin Watson - Physical, but really dumb and a punching bag. Can PK and shows flashes of having NHL 4th line skill. More versatile than Reaves and Lucic, but nowhere near the fighter. Would be cheap, but I imagine he re-signs with the sens.

Luke Schenn - Well, everyone knows him. Might be a good partner for Guhle and let him explore his offensive side and if he throws a big hit, like we all know he's capable of, he'll have at least Schenn on the ice who can help him out if the other team comes after him.

Nick Bjugstad - Big boy, some physicality, some skill, centre. Could overpay him for a year and deal him at the deadline.

Those are some of my suggestions.

In short, habs should have some "star" players at all 3 leagues in place to make sure the team has a winning atmosphere where ever the prospects go and to look at size for the middle/Bottom 6 forward group.
 

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Not a fan of it personally.

Get Dubois and spin the wheels of mediocrity once again for 5 years fighting for wildcard in the atlantic lol.

Not ideal.

Need a PPG superstar cost controlled asset. BADLY
Doubtful conclusion. If it was true in the past that we were stuck in no man's land, it was actually the other way around!!!

We had the elite mega star named Carey Price but lacked the other 9 strong players to be contenders. The years where Price was not hurt, we mainly finished in the middle and did not get high picks, but we still had too much money invested in bad contracts to really improve the roster, not to mention that the GM kept spending MORE money on new bad contracts (Drouin contract, then Byron extension, then Gallagher extension, then Petry extension, then Hoffman signing and Dvorak acquisition, etc.)!!

I am 1000% convinced that we can acquire Dubois and still keep improving if we are steadily purging all the bad contracts and don't make the mistake of engaging in new ones (like last week's suggestion to sign RHP to 6 x $5M).
 
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Because there's no guarantee he signs here even if he'd like to play in Montreal.

If we have a situation where he's only willing to accept a sign and trade to Montreal then we jump on it assuming the money makes sense, but if he walks to UFA and we're offering 8 million per season and some other team that's desperate for a 1C offers 10M+ then good luck getting him.
With no guarantee that he'd sign here why gi e up assets if he's going to be UFA anyway?
 

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Man its absolutely unreadable. 95% of the posts in the trade thread is about PLD. People are putting him in the line-up for next year in almost all the line-up talks on this board. Can we slow it down a little?

Personally, I would give absolutely no assets for PLD right now. Specially not a 1st round draft pick in the 2023 draft. That Florida pick gon' turn good. And if PLD really wants to come here, he will -like Tavares did- and sign with us as a UFA. Why give assets? Because he might go somewhere else? Then be it.

The guy is not a superstar, he is -at best- a 60-70pts center with size. Remember that he only got 60pts twice in his carreer. Thats it.

We need a lot of other parts to be competitive in the future and we need to draft those players. Per exemple, we wont find a number one goalie on the open market. Those almost never changes team.
 

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Man its absolutely unreadable. 95% of the posts in the trade thread is about PLD. People are putting him in the line-up for next year in almost all the line-up talks on this board. Can we slow it down a little?

Personally, I would give absolutely no assets for PLD right now. Specially not a 1st round draft pick in the 2023 draft. That Florida pick gon' turn good. And if PLD really wants to come here, he will -like Tavares did- and sign with us as a UFA. Why give assets? Because he might go somewhere else? Then be it.

The guy is not a superstar, he is -at best- a 60-70pts center with size. Remember that he only got 60pts twice in his carreer. Thats it.

We need a lot of other parts to be competitive in the future and we need to draft those players. Per exemple, we wont find a number one goalie on the open market. Those almost never changes team.
We don't just need superstars. We had one for 10 years, but it was not enough.

We need those multiple 60-70 point players, plus 3 top-pair level D plus an above average goalie.

PLD is not a saviour, but has a high probability of being one of the skilled 70 point guys we need.
 

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Man its absolutely unreadable. 95% of the posts in the trade thread is about PLD. People are putting him in the line-up for next year in almost all the line-up talks on this board. Can we slow it down a little?

Personally, I would give absolutely no assets for PLD right now. Specially not a 1st round draft pick in the 2023 draft. That Florida pick gon' turn good. And if PLD really wants to come here, he will -like Tavares did- and sign with us as a UFA. Why give assets? Because he might go somewhere else? Then be it.

The guy is not a superstar, he is -at best- a 60-70pts center with size. Remember that he only got 60pts twice in his carreer. Thats it.

We need a lot of other parts to be competitive in the future and we need to draft those players. Per exemple, we wont find a number one goalie on the open market. Those almost never changes team.
A bit disengenous considering that the league just spent two years playing shortened seasons. He's about to beat his point total from last year he's at 55pts in 60 games vs. 60 pts in 81 games last season. He's like another suzuki, a 30 goal 70-80 pt center starting as soon as next year and will likely get a contract similar to Horvat and Larkin when he signs
 

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We need a lot of other parts to be competitive in the future and we need to draft those players. Per exemple, we wont find a number one goalie on the open market. Those almost never changes team.
Of our five best players, three came by trade, one was drafted 15th and the final one was drafted 16th.

By the way, only 2 NHL teams have a number one goalie that they drafted themselves in the first round.
 
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where do you see Barron and RHP ??
Are you saying that those two would be untouchables for you when it comes to a Dubois trade? If so, enjoy cheering for a tank as long as the Oilers did and beyond and just say good-bye to any other cups for Montreal.
 

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Not a fan of it personally.

Get Dubois and spin the wheels of mediocrity once again for 5 years fighting for wildcard in the atlantic lol.

Not ideal.

Need a PPG superstar cost controlled asset. BADLY
Unless we win lottery, good chance we draft Rainbacker and trade Florida pick for Dubois. Wondet how many posters like that?
 

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Are you saying that those two would be untouchables for you when it comes to a Dubois trade? If so, enjoy cheering for a tank as long as the Oilers did and beyond and just say good-bye to any other cups for Montreal.

I'd be ok trading prospects in a Dubois trade, but using the Oilers as an example there is a bad idea, since the biggest mistake they made in their long term rebuild was they constantly trying to take shortcuts.

For point of reference, Edmonton didn't have their 2nd or 3rd round picks in the McDavid draft (16th OA - Barzal and 33rd OA for G. Reinhart, 3rd for V. Fast).

They also didn't have a 2nd or 3rd round pick in 2014. And even when they were rebuilding, they rarely added picks. From 2009 to 2016, they had one draft with an extra 1st and one draft with two extra 2nds.

Imagine where Edmonton would be in the McDavid era if they added one of Barzal/Connor/Chabot. Plus, if they scouted well, they could have also added a Carlo, Aho or Cernak as well.
 

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I'd be ok trading prospects in a Dubois trade, but using the Oilers as an example there is a bad idea, since the biggest mistake they made in their long term rebuild was they constantly trying to take shortcuts.

For point of reference, Edmonton didn't have their 2nd or 3rd round picks in the McDavid draft (16th OA - Barzal and 33rd OA for G. Reinhart, 3rd for V. Fast).

They also didn't have a 2nd or 3rd round pick in 2014. And even when they were rebuilding, they rarely added picks. From 2009 to 2016, they had one draft with an extra 1st and one draft with two extra 2nds.

Imagine where Edmonton would be in the McDavid era if they added one of Barzal/Connor/Chabot. Plus, if they scouted well, they could have also added a Carlo, Aho or Cernak as well.
Ottawa is doing kind of the same mistake. Not that i dislike what they are doing but i feel like it wont be enough and they have only 5 picks in the first 3 rounds total (out of the usual 9) for the next 3 years. AT least the players they acquired are still young (Debrincat and Chychrun). But it will be tough for them to improve the team with so few picks and what they have atm is imo not enough.
 

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Ottawa is doing kind of the same mistake. Not that i dislike what they are doing but i feel like it wont be enough and they have only 5 picks in the first 3 rounds total (out of the usual 9) for the next 3 years. AT least the players they acquired are still young (Debrincat and Chychrun). But it will be tough for them to improve the team with so few picks and what they have atm is imo not enough.
How many of the 11 strong players that are needed do they have right now?
Stutzle
deBrincat
Tkachuk
Giroux
Batherson (maybe)

Chychrun
Chabot (regressed the last couple of years but still above average)
Sanderson (maybe)

Between 6 and 8 and Giroux may decline in the next two years.

You may be right that they do not have enough draft capital to cinch the 3 rungs they need to climb, maybe more.
 
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Captain Mountain

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Ottawa is doing kind of the same mistake. Not that i dislike what they are doing but i feel like it wont be enough and they have only 5 picks in the first 3 rounds total (out of the usual 9) for the next 3 years. AT least the players they acquired are still young (Debrincat and Chychrun). But it will be tough for them to improve the team with so few picks and what they have atm is imo not enough.

At least they actually built a core first. They started trading picks AFTER they saw what Tkachuk, Norris, Stutzle, Chabot, etc. could do at the NHL level. They also added extra top-60 picks in every draft since they started rebuilding in 2018 up until last season.

They may be light on picks, but they've got Tkachuk, Stutzle, Norris, Batherson, Chabot, Chychrun and Zub in their early to mid 20s locked up long term, plus Pinto, Sanderson and DeBrincat as RFAs or ELC guys. They're in a very good position resign DeBrincat and take a look at the UFA market to fill their holes.

Montreal has picked twice in the top-10 since 2018, and one of those picks is gone. There's going to need to be some degree of patience (and luck+good scouting and development) for Montreal to fill out their core. Adding Dubois can help there because of his age, but it can't do more to impede Montreal's ability to build through picks and already drafted prospects.
 

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How many of the 11 strong players that are needed do they have right now?

For sure like no doubt dunno maybe 5-6. Giroux is 35 he's doing going to be one for long. It is my opinion that Norris still have things to prove before being a lock but we'll count him based on that one season. Tkachuck definitely. Debrincat. Stutzle. Chychrun. Chabot probably. Maybe Sanderson eventually. Batherson. It's borderline and they only need one or two young players like Norris or Batherson to regress to be in trouble.
 

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They don't even want Anderson.. it's going to cost a lot more then that
So from what I’ve read from multiple “insiders” is that Winnipeg is looking for help on their top 2 lines, preferably someone that plays fast, and they also have a problem attracting players long term. Anderson fills all those boxes.

His market value is a 1st + so I see him plus a 2nd draft pick and a prospect being similar to the return that Vancouver got for Horvat who is a comparable to PLD.

That’s my two cents
 

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How many of the 11 strong players that are needed do they have right now?
Stutzle
deBrincat
Tkachuk
Giroux
Batherson (maybe)

Chychrun
Chabot
Sanderson (maybe)

Between 6 and 8 and Giroux may decline in the next two years.

You may be right that they do not have enough draft capital to cinch the 3 rungs they need to climb, maybe more.

Right now?

Stutzle
DeBrincat
Tkachuk
Norris
Giroux
Batherson

Chabot
Chychrun
Zub

with Pinto and Sanderson as guys that can get there through development. I don't think they need to go outside to get to the 11 guys, but they need a goalie upgrade.
 

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Right now?

Stutzle
DeBrincat
Tkachuk
Norris
Giroux
Batherson

Chabot
Chychrun
Zub

with Pinto and Sanderson as guys that can get there through development. I don't think they need to go outside to get to the 11 guys, but they need a goalie upgrade.

Giroux will likely not be there anymore when Sanderson and Pinto develop. He'll be 36 next season his time as a dominant player are counted. Don't think i'd count Zub personally. Most good teams have a better 3rd dman. That's very borderline imo not sure i'd go all in with that core yet. Norris injury is a councern too. Like i said earlier they only need 1 kid to regress like Norris or Batherson and that's not looking good anymore.
 

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Giroux will likely not be there anymore when Sanderson and Pinto develop. He'll be 36 next season his time as a dominant player are counted. Don't think i'd count Zub personally. Most good teams have a better 3rd dman. That's very borderline imo not sure i'd go all in with that core yet. Norris injury is a councern too. Like i said earlier they only need 1 kid to regress like Norris or Batherson and that's not looking good anymore.

I wouldn't say most. Is Zub really that much worse right now than guys like Carlo, Byram, Giordano, Lindell, Siegenthaler, Cole or McNabb? I don't think so.

As it is, 11 solid players is a pretty arbitrary number. They've got enough where going for it makes sense. Especially when the players they're moving picks for fit their age range and have a degree of team control.

Either way, Montreal isn't there yet. We haven't even seen enough from Suzuki, Caufield, Dach, Guhle, etc. to even know where they may slot on an actual contender.
 

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Right now?

Stutzle
DeBrincat
Tkachuk
Norris
Giroux
Batherson

Chabot
Chychrun
Zub

with Pinto and Sanderson as guys that can get there through development. I don't think they need to go outside to get to the 11 guys, but they need a goalie upgrade.
Bathreson is borderline, Zub is a #4D, and Norris is unknown
 

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Bathreson is borderline, Zub is a #4D, and Norris is unknown

We're talking about strong players here, right?

Batherson is on pace for around 67 points.

Zub is a two way D who has very good underling numbers

Norris when healthy was a high end goal scorer and play driver.

All qualify as strong players.
 
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