HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #84: Off-Season edition

[JoelWarlord]

Kent Hughes is a patient man and if Dubois wants to come here he will but on Hughes' terms period. No need to pay any assets for a player that will become UFA after next season.

There may not be a "need" to do so but that doesn't mean it wouldn't still be beneficial depending on the price. From what we've heard Dubois genuinely wants to come to Montreal, but that was believed to be the case about Gaudreau and the Flyers or at very least the Devils/Islanders for family reasons until he signed with Columbus. A lot can change in a year, especially if Dubois repeats this season and gets traded to a contender (or has a good playoff run in Winnipeg either this or next season).

We shouldn't be willing to pay the established market price but there's value in getting the player into your organization sooner rather than later compared to just sitting back and waiting.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Obviously, there are limits to what should and will be paid to acquire Dubois via trade. He mustn't become a lateral move where the team gives away the equivalent just to have him.

I.e., Suzuki for Dubois makes no sense. The team would not be improving through that lateral move.

Today, Dach for Dubois makes no sense from MON's POV. At the start of the season, for Hab fans, it made no sense from WIN's POV.

We are trying to build a talented roster.

The only untouchables for me in a trade for Dubois are:

Current strong players:​

Suzuki​

Caufield​

Matheson​

Potential strong players already on team​

Guhle​

Dach​

Slafkovsky (pushing it)​

Potential strong players in NCAA/elsewhere​

Farrell​

Hutson​

Dobes​

Engstrom (maybe)​

High draft picks (1-16) in 2023, our 2024 pick, and our best pick in 2025.​

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Xhekaj is a keeper for unique reasons.​

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That's it.​

 

[Lockin17]

We are trying to build a talented roster.

The only untouchables for me in a trade for Dubois are:

Current strong players:​

Suzuki​

Caufield​

Matheson​

Potential strong players already on team​

Guhle​

Dach​

Slafkovsky (pushing it)​

Potential strong players in NCAA/elsewhere​

Farrell​

Hutson​

Dobes​

Engstrom (maybe)​

High draft picks (1-16) in 2023, our 2024 pick, and our best pick in 2025.​

​

Xhekaj is a keeper for unique reasons.​

​

That's it.​

where do you see Barron and RHP ??

 

[sampollock]

Will Kent trade for PLD at the draft or wait.

I say at the draft, he wants him now... (oh ya now is a great time to talk about PLD)

 

[Sterling Archer]

He said prospect depth and at least 3 of the forward prospects should be valuable pieces. Add the 1st 2 picks in the 2023 draft, Suzuki, Caufield, Dach and Slafkovsky and you have 9 forwards. Add Dubois or A FA or 2 and they have depth. Don't care about NHL depth currently as Habs are 2-3 years from contention.

I gave him the prospect pool depth but that doesn't mean anything. Habs always have propsects in the dpeth column but few ever make an NHL impact. I'm not counting eggs and thought I made that pretty clear.

Also, the current roster's depth is atrocious and well deserving of the position in the standings.

At the end of the day, HuGo walked into a franchise on it's last legs and with a ton of bad contracts for players who are being paid to be in roles they can't handle. They have a tougher road to hoe than I think most may be aware of so dispelling thoughts like "they have a lot of depth" are really not true and setting themselves up for some very disappointng times. Once they clear Price, Gally, Armia, Hoffman, et al. they'll be in a better spot and can bring in real NHLers on better contracts that can add to the depth of the team. But as for now, they're not in a great spot but it is getting better and hope they keep on how they have. Brighter futuer ahead, but they're not close to it yet.

 

[417]

If the Habs really want PLD before he hits free agency...just hope the Jets miss the playoffs or get bounced in round 1.

 

[DAChampion]

Monahan is now eligible for a heavy bonus laden contact due to his injury season & career GP.

Best of all if traded at next deadline, the acquiring team wouldn’t be responsible for bonus payout

Should definitely sign him.

 

[Habs Icing]

Harris is expandable to me.

I totally agree with you. He can stand to put on a few pounds.

 

[BaseballCoach]

where do you see Barron and RHP ??

Barron is a potential 4th-7th D on a good team.

RHP is a potential 12th-14th F. Perhaps perhaps 10h or 11th but not likely.

Both are expendable in a trade for a young Top-6 player.

 

[417]

Should definitely sign him.

Why?

Remember..this is a player who came into this season with serious injury concerns, broke his foot 20ish games into the season, pleaded with the coaching staff to allow him to play on a broken foot so he could play against his former team (which the team acquiesced), then went on injured reserve for what is typically a 4-6 week injury, got injured during rehab to another part of his body no one quite knows and now the team has said that they're unsure if he will return this season and if he does, he won't be at 100%.

I ask again.

Why?

The Habs got more than a fair return to take on his salary and while getting more would have been a great bonus, I think it's time to cut bait personally.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

If the Habs really want PLD before he hits free agency...just hope the Jets miss the playoffs or get bounced in round 1.

If they make the Conference final they will likely try for a Cup next season too. Anything less who knows what Chevaldayoff will do.

 

[Miller Time]

Really depends on if/what moves are made to add/swap top 9 fwd/ top 4 D NHL players this summer, if any.

Without making any moves short of re-signing RFA's (& perhaps Monahan), we've got a roster pretty equivalent to what we started this season with...


CC - Suzuki - Gurianov
Anderson - Dach - RHP
Slaf - Dvo/Monahan - Gally
Hoffman - Evans - Armia
Ylonen/Pitlick

Roy, Beck, Farrell, Heineman

(Mesar, Tuch, Mysak, Kapanen, Davidson, Kidney, Rohrer et.)

Matheson - Savard
Guhle - Harris
Edmundson - Xhekaj
Barron/Kovacevic/Wideman

Norlinder, Mailloux

(Hutson, Engstrom, Trudeau, Strubble, Fairbrother et.)


I wouldn't be all that fussed if we ended up like this...

Gurianov & RHP replacing Drouin/Dadonov, progress from Slaf/Ylonen pushing Hoff out of the lineup.
Barron ready to take full time role if/when we move Edmundson

 

[DAChampion]

Why?

Remember..this is a player who came into this season with serious injury concerns, broke his foot 20ish games into the season, pleaded with the coaching staff to allow him to play on a broken foot so he could play against his former team (which the team acquiesced), then went on injured reserve for what is typically a 4-6 week injury, got injured during rehab to another part of his body no one quite knows and now the team has said that they're unsure if he will return this season and if he does, he won't be at 100%.

I ask again.

Why?

The Habs got more than a fair return to take on his salary and while getting more would have been a great bonus, I think it's time to cut bait personally.

Because Monahan will now likely be able to sign for cheap, and he's a good player if healthy. One that can each of help the team win, make Dvorak expendable, be a better center for Slafkovsky, be a stopgap until Owen Beck, and maybe return deadline value.

He's not guaranteed to be injured again. That's what people used to say about Markov.

 

[BaseballCoach]

"...the acquiring team wouldn’t be responsible for bonus payout"

Why not? Don't see how that mechanism works since it is part of the contract taken on by the team acquiring Monahan at the deadline and the bonus money can either be paid at season's end or deferred to the following year, at the team's discretion?

Also, the bonus only gets determined based on how many milestones are reached at the end of the season. A team acquiring Monahan at the deadline could influence how much Cap Montreal ended up paying just by how they decide to use Monahan.

Doesn't sound Copacetic.

After the trade deadline, what would MON have to do with ANY of the contracts's stipulations, other than, perhaps, if it holds back salary/Cap?

The only bonus payout that would belong to MON, if it traded the player at the deadline would be signing bonuses, like those with Price, but that would only affect real money payouts and not the Cap hit.

What am I missing?

If he has a games played or points scored bonus and he earns it before the trade, it would be Montreal's to shoulder.

 

[417]

Because Monahan will now likely be able to sign for cheap, and he's a good player if healthy. One that can each of help the team win, make Dvorak expendable, be a better center for Slafkovsky, be a stopgap until Owen Beck, and maybe return deadline value.

If healthy is a big IF.

As for him making Dvorak expendable, i'd say he's expendable regardless, it's more his contract that makes him difficult to move.

Good point about having a better C for Slafkovsky but for me it's not worth it.

He's not guaranteed to be injured again. That's what people used to say about Markov.

Fair point but there was far more organizational investment in Markov then there is for Monahan so not quite the same situations but again, fair point. He might be healthy next season and bring in the return in a trade we were hoping he'd bring this season.

 

[JRichard]

I mean I feel components of it are a 2nd line (Suzuki/Dach/Anderson depending on how you view each player) but there are very few teams that have a 40 goal scorer like caufield on there 2nd line.

Scoring 40 is good when you dont get scored 50.

 

[Ozmodiar]

Will Kent trade for PLD at the draft or wait.

I say at the draft, he wants him now... (oh ya now is a great time to talk about PLD)

Wild guess:

I think Kent wants to walk away from round 1 with an F and a D. (Positions, not grades )

My guess is that Kent has a short list of players on his draft board who are good enough to make PLD an unnecessary luxury. Centers and/or players who project to the top 6 in short order. (maybe it’s picks 1-6 on their board)

If they’re all off the board, he’ll reach for a D (a-la-Seider), and trade the FLA pick in a package for Dubois.

If one is still on the board he’ll pick his player and use the FLA pick on the next best available D.

Kent’s message to Chevy right now is “let’s talk after our first pick”.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Will Kent trade for PLD at the draft or wait.

I say at the draft, he wants him now... (oh ya now is a great time to talk about PLD)

im sure he prefers to land him this summer but not at any price

HuGo 100% spoke to Brisson/Dubois last summer so he knows some stuff

I also believe the rumours that PLD was at the Bell Center for the trade but that Chevy upped the price last minute

 

[Wats]

Why?

Remember..this is a player who came into this season with serious injury concerns, broke his foot 20ish games into the season, pleaded with the coaching staff to allow him to play on a broken foot so he could play against his former team (which the team acquiesced), then went on injured reserve for what is typically a 4-6 week injury, got injured during rehab to another part of his body no one quite knows and now the team has said that they're unsure if he will return this season and if he does, he won't be at 100%.

I ask again.

Why?

The Habs got more than a fair return to take on his salary and while getting more would have been a great bonus, I think it's time to cut bait personally.

Assuming it's a 1 year contract, there are multiple scenarios which can help the team. Trade return potential if he stays healthy full season. Leadership/size/faceoff to help roster and versatile. Proven chemistry with Suzuki/Caufield. Looked good with Dach too if I'm not mistaken. Can act as a mentor for young players. People seem to rave about him as a person too so can't hurt having him around for morale. I'm pro-tank but it doesn't mean have no vet to help youth. Worst case, LTIR and doesn't make a difference.

 

[HuGort]

I'm convinced our management group is not even looking at moving assets for PLD. We have far bigger holes to fill as we speak.

Some of these posters seem very excited about acquiring PLD this summer.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Some of these posters seem very excited about acquiring PLD this summer.

Not a fan of it personally.

Get Dubois and spin the wheels of mediocrity once again for 5 years fighting for wildcard in the atlantic lol.

Not ideal.

Need a PPG superstar cost controlled asset. BADLY

 

[Runner77]

For the last time, please:

EXPANDABLE = WILL GROW IN SIZE

EXPENDABLE = CAN DO WITHOUT

More where that came from.

Resign: to quit
Re-sign: to re-up, as in a contract being renewed or extended

Could have, not Could of.

Though spelled as thought.

These are the most common ones I see on our forum. It doesn’t take much effort if someone wants to get them right.

 

[Runner77]

Need a PPG superstar cost controlled asset. BADLY

I can’t think of a way to add one outside of drafting one, usually early.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Yeah you’re right actually
We have nothing, I take it back

Confirmed by NHL GMs at the TDL.

 

[expy]

Will Kent trade for PLD at the draft or wait.

I say at the draft, he wants him now... (oh ya now is a great time to talk about PLD)

No need to trade for him as we don't need him immediately.

Why give any assets when you can get him for free in free agency.