ChesterNimitz
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My point is that its wishful thinking at best if anyone sees Monahan as being a core player, regardless of his position, on our climb back to contention.
HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #80
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SOLR
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If Dach is having a good night he can keep getting faceoffs, when he has an off night Monahan is there for the rescue. This is what young centers need, they are not consistent on the win rates. Suzuki is still varying too much, but he's getting there.
ChesterNimitz
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It may be somewhat disconcerting for you to know that in Japan the sale of adult diapers now exceeds the sale of baby diapers....depends on how many good ones a few of us have left...I'd prefer not to be in Adult Diapers before our next one...
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It’s only wishful thinking if someone wishes that in the first place.
I have not seen anyone in here make that claim. It’s simply a non-argument.
A substantial number of posts are expressing it as anything he’ll do will be a bonus and more still are viewing him as a trade deadline candidate.
ChesterNimitz
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Agreed . The only real value to the team in this transaction was the acquisition of the first round draft choice. Monahan will most probably not be on the team after the trade deadline. Frankly, with the extent of his injuries and required surgeries, I doubt that he’s on the team at the start of the season.
I wonder if the next move is going to be swapping one of the vet forwards (Hoffman/Armia/Drouin) for a mediocre vet defenceman on a similar cap hit. As of now Barron and Harris are both penciled in to the starting 6 with one of Bowey/Leskinen/Scheuneman as the #7D, I'd think the Habs would be interested in adding another vet to potentially move Wideman to a #6-7 role and to insulate some of the D prospects in case they have a slump.
I can't really think of a good fit though, maybe something like Armia for Scandella or Forbort? Of course we'd have to add a bit, although I'm not sure if those deals would even be plausible given the other teams probably aren't interested in moving a 2 year deal for 3 years of Armia. Barrie was rumoured for a bit but that's not realistic for Hoffman or Armia I wouldn't think. There's a surprising lack of Savard-tier defence contracts around the league. There's lots of bad ones for more money but not as many mediocre 3.5-4M contracts for 32 year olds as you might think.
I can't really think of a good fit though, maybe something like Armia for Scandella or Forbort? Of course we'd have to add a bit, although I'm not sure if those deals would even be plausible given the other teams probably aren't interested in moving a 2 year deal for 3 years of Armia. Barrie was rumoured for a bit but that's not realistic for Hoffman or Armia I wouldn't think. There's a surprising lack of Savard-tier defence contracts around the league. There's lots of bad ones for more money but not as many mediocre 3.5-4M contracts for 32 year olds as you might think.
Adam Michaels
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It could be very possible they're still talking trades with teams.
When the Monahan deal was made, and we were all waiting to learn what the return was, Engels did tweet that this move was possibly linked to another one. He said he's not sure if it's going to happen at that particular moment. But I imagine he's heard that maybe another deal is in the works.
26Mats
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Only thing I can think of is a team that wants to unload a goalie or a D with a bad contract for one of our wingers with a bad contract.
If a team wanted Anderson or Dvorak for a positive return, wouldn't they have acquired them by now?
Except both the player & GM asserted that he is healthy...
The hip surgery is the same he had on the other side a year prior, which he recovered fully from. If this one was just as effective, his lower body issues will be resolved. The wrist issue didn't require additional surgery, so he's now just one full year/offseason further along in adapting to & strengthening the area.
Barring a new setback or injury, he's quite likely poised for the healthiest season start he's had in years. Very reasonable to expect a better performance level than last season (where he played through the hip issue and was getting used to the reconstructed wrist).
How good will he be? Who knows. Aside from it being clear he won't be the 80point top line player he was playing next to Gaudreau, I thinks it's wide open.
In some ways, his overall game will likely be better than it was before the injury issues arrived. He had to focus on other areas of his game to stay in the lineup after he lost the ability to ride shotgun with Gaudreau... And to his credit, he put in the work to do that.
Flames only moved him BC of the cap implications. They liked the player, the person, and the middle-6 role he would've played.
I'd say the odds are 50/50 he gets moved this year vs he fits in and gets extended. If recovered (as all available info suggests), he checks a lot of boxes for what HuGo want to build, so if meshes with the coaches & core, he very much could play a big part of the next 3-4yrs
Pompeius Magnus
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Do they have sex bots yet ? That might swing it for me...so no moving to Japan...got it...
Do they have sex bots yet ? That might swing it for me
...that's how it starts...then comes Judgement Day...
Sterling Archer
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I’d rather Dvo than Beauvillier
Team context aside, I'd probably value DVO as an asset slightly ahead of AB as well...
But with the context of our roster, GM stated direction & style of play and overall org. depth chart, AB is a much better fit imo.
UFA in 2024 is also a benefit. If he's deemed a core piece, there's ample time to extend, if he's deemed expendable, he's a great trade chip next summer or during 23-24 season.
So youwould have Pezzetta start in Montreal. And youj seejm to think that your 1OA will learn to become a productive NHL player by playing against players worse than Pezzetta.
I don't. If he has to play in Laval, so be it, but it would be because he disappoints in camp and is not able to play well against men like he has before.
HabsWhiteKnightLOL
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Bet he will lean faster with Drouin and Dadonov?
Dude has like 0 offensive elite aspect. Put his ass in the ahl first
He's clearly physically ready for NHL...
Question is wether he can lock in a top 6 role yet.
Far better for him to spend some time dominating against "players worst than Pez" to grow his confidence while improving his toolbox and 200foot game in the A, than being forced to curtail his offensive game while adapting to the skill/pace/rigour of the best players in the best league on the planet.
Stutzle is the only recent fwd to step into a top 6 role in his post draft season, and that on a sens team without anywhere close to the NHL fwd depth on the roster that the Habs currently have.
All the other players to play in the NHL right away did so in depth roles and to largely underwhelming results (Kakko, laf, Dach, Hughes, JKO et.), with only Hughes hitting his high end stride within the D2-D3 yrs. Odds are, AHL is where Slaf ends up, and thats perfectly fine.
Much rather he step into NHL in his D2 year, ready to contribute in a way similar to his draft pedigree, like a Zegras or Caufield (or what we'll probably see from Beniers/Johnson/McTavish this year), than have fans & media piling on because he's taking time to adjust in the big show.
I trust HuGo & MSL to make the call they feel optimizes for the big picture, one way or the other.
Sterling Archer
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I’d hope HuGo can do better than Beauvillier for Dvo and address a larger concern like D. We already have way too many forwards.
In HuGo we trust... So far, so good.
I suspect that when DVO gets moved, the return will make us all pretty pleased.
Sterling Archer
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Agree with Dvo moving and HuGo have shown they can win trades too so hope your right!
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To Cgy
Dadonov 800k retained
To Mtl
Lucic, 2nd
Calgary adds top 9 W they need while freeing up 1M in cap.
Habs add some beef & potentially flip Lucy at deadline for some draft collateral
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Sign Chara
Gorton convinces big Z to come back for 1 more yr, promise to send him to contender at deadline if Habs are out of playoff mix.
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To Minny
Dvorak, Barron, Primeau, conditional pick*
To Mtl Dumba, Wallstedt
*Fla 1st if Dumba signs extension before draft, Cgy 2nd if not, + Avs '24 2nd if he signs after draft).
Wild lock in 2 cost effective assets that will help keep them near top of west next 2yrs as Parise/suter buyouts go nuclear. Primeau & pick offset moving on from wallstedt's big potential.
Habs get Price replacement of the future, and shot a locking up Dumba long term (trading him for deadline premium if extension isn't looking likely)
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To Zona
Hoffman, Armia, Mtl 2nd
To Mtl
Ritchie
Habs pay a pick & ship out 2 serviceable fwds for Yotes taking on 5M this year. Ritchie hopefully can be spun for a 3rd at the deadline, maybe even recoup 2nd if he has a decent year.
Zona adds 2 decent vets that get them to cap floor and add pick for their trouble
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CC - Suzuki - Anderson
Slaf - Dach - Gally
Drouin - Monahan - Pitlick
Lucic - Evans - Ritchie
Byron/Pez
Matheson - Dumba
Edmundson - Savard
Chara - Harris
Wideman
Allen
Monty
Wallstedt
Move Drouin, Lucic, Ritchie, Byron & possibly Monahan by the deadline to recoup some draft assets.
Extend Dumba to solidify RD for next 4-6 yrs or trade him for 1st + at deadline
Wallstedt steps into #1 role over next 3-4 yrs.
Chara helps mentor Slaf & Harris (& guhle) & he/Lucic help the group walk a bit taller and alleviate pressure on Anderson, Slaf, Edmundson in dealing with opposing pugilists.
Dadonov 800k retained
To Mtl
Lucic, 2nd
Calgary adds top 9 W they need while freeing up 1M in cap.
Habs add some beef & potentially flip Lucy at deadline for some draft collateral
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Sign Chara
Gorton convinces big Z to come back for 1 more yr, promise to send him to contender at deadline if Habs are out of playoff mix.
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To Minny
Dvorak, Barron, Primeau, conditional pick*
To Mtl Dumba, Wallstedt
*Fla 1st if Dumba signs extension before draft, Cgy 2nd if not, + Avs '24 2nd if he signs after draft).
Wild lock in 2 cost effective assets that will help keep them near top of west next 2yrs as Parise/suter buyouts go nuclear. Primeau & pick offset moving on from wallstedt's big potential.
Habs get Price replacement of the future, and shot a locking up Dumba long term (trading him for deadline premium if extension isn't looking likely)
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To Zona
Hoffman, Armia, Mtl 2nd
To Mtl
Ritchie
Habs pay a pick & ship out 2 serviceable fwds for Yotes taking on 5M this year. Ritchie hopefully can be spun for a 3rd at the deadline, maybe even recoup 2nd if he has a decent year.
Zona adds 2 decent vets that get them to cap floor and add pick for their trouble
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CC - Suzuki - Anderson
Slaf - Dach - Gally
Drouin - Monahan - Pitlick
Lucic - Evans - Ritchie
Byron/Pez
Matheson - Dumba
Edmundson - Savard
Chara - Harris
Wideman
Allen
Monty
Wallstedt
Move Drouin, Lucic, Ritchie, Byron & possibly Monahan by the deadline to recoup some draft assets.
Extend Dumba to solidify RD for next 4-6 yrs or trade him for 1st + at deadline
Wallstedt steps into #1 role over next 3-4 yrs.
Chara helps mentor Slaf & Harris (& guhle) & he/Lucic help the group walk a bit taller and alleviate pressure on Anderson, Slaf, Edmundson in dealing with opposing pugilists.
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