HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #80

[Sterling Archer]

I'm just not used to competent, creative management after decades of ineptitude. I don't know how I feel anymore. This is, like... nice.

 

[Habs 4 Life]

I'm just not used to competent, creative management after decades of ineptitude. I don't know how I feel anymore. This is, like... nice.

Seriously, Bergevin would have gone out and gived terrible long term contracts to players like he did with Savard, Alzner, Moen etc...

 

[Scriptor]

From the D/Neutral zone into the offensive zone? I don't think you understand what I am saying and I think you are asking too much of them.

Slaf is not going to be a puck possession winger like Gaudreau. He's going to be solid at protecting the puck but that's when you enter the zone and have possession. His strength is along the walls and down low and that's how he carries the puck.

Dach is hard to tell at this point. I'm not putting that kind of pressure on him this early. I don't see him better at it than Suzuki but we will see. He does have good size/skating

You keep repeating your take on Slafkovsky like it's documented truth, but you clearly have no idea about his play if this is what you believe.

Again, in international play, they tasked Slafkovsky with carrying the puck up the ice and into the O-zone as the game plan and opponents were unable to solve that game plan, despite being obvious.

I don't know why you keep playing that broken record that he's only good in the O-zone at protecting the puck, along the boards and down low.

There's a lot more to Slafkovsky's game than that and, hopefully, management and the coaching staff don't try to limit his game by pigeon-holing him as you are doing.

The last thing I would want to see, for example, is the coaching staff slapping him n the wrist after scoring a goal like he did just recently in that 3 on 3 summer league.

Taking spontaneity and creativity out of a young player's game would be a huge disservice! Thankfully, I believe MSl won't be that type of head coach.

 

[Captain Mountain]

so Klinberg signs with us and we retain for x years ? wtv Oilers were sending must of been good for us to retain for x amount of years

It may have been a one year deal as well. Either way, the Monahan deal worked out better for Montreal. Its refreshing seeing how aggressive HuGo are being to acquire 1st round picks/prospects.

 

[ReHabs]

Sign and trade with cap retention is pretty cool. I wish we had seen that happen so it becomes normal. NHL GMs are so unimaginative and boring.

 

[Xirik]

Habs have an entire D core of second pair defencemen in both vets and prospects right now. Why are they trading for another? They need a top 2 desperately, not another second pair.

just trying to figure out what the Habs/Devils rumor might be for.

I think we got our wires crossed on what Severson is. ill let you look up his stats and make up your mind. I believe he's the closest to a Prime-ish Petry type replacement you can get. Severson has been used as a top pairing defenseman for most of his career. It is just after the Devils got Hamilton that he didn't have to shoulder the burden as much but he still has the most TOI by 2 minutes. I believe because he didn't hae to shoulder as much is the reason he had a career year.

If Montreal doesn't have other RD to carry some of the right-side burden then you won't like him as a 1st pairing. If your other RD are better then P.K Subbans ghost then he will shine in the role.

I'll also point out that the trade I suggested isn't that bad as its basically a trade of the last drafts 1st (beck) for a 1st in this years draft(Severson). You are only losing a late round pick. If he does good and montreal decides to resign Severson then that's a net positive as well.
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[MXD]

Sign and trade for a multi-season deal (read : 3 or more) is f***ing stupid.

 

[schwang26]

just trying to figure out what the Habs/Devils rumor might be for.

I think we got our wires crossed on what Severson is. ill let you look up his stats and make up your mind. I believe he's the closest to a Prime-ish Petry type replacement you can get. Severson has been used as a top pairing defenseman for most of his career. It is just after the Devils got Hamilton that he didn't have to shoulder the burden as much but he still has the most TOI by 2 minutes. I believe because he didn't hae to shoulder as much is the reason he had a career year.

If Montreal doesn't have other RD to carry some of the right-side burden then you won't like him as a 1st pairing. If your other RD are better then P.K Subbans ghost then he will shine in the role.

I'll also point out that the trade I suggested isn't that bad as its basically a trade of the last drafts 1st (beck) for a 1st in this years draft(Severson). You are only losing a late round pick. If he does good and montreal decides to resign Severson then that's a net positive as well.
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I get that he might be like Petry and could thus be great as a second pair guy, but I think they should see what the have on D first before making a deal. Without going over what hand they shoot, pretty much all their D prospects are pegged 2nd and 3rd pair guys. Despite all the Guhle love, I think he falls there for now too. They have zero top pair D men (at least projected top pair).
It's not a bad trade I just don't see a deal like that getting made this year. I think they'll go for a temporary, free agent or waiver guy for this season if they feel the need.

 

[Draft]

Sign and trade for a multi-season deal (read : 3 or more) is f***ing stupid.

*Depending on the return.

 

[Scriptor]

There's ALWAYS a GM willing to overpay to plug a hole. Given his contract, age and performance, particularly under MSL, I think Habs will get a 1st or equivalent for Dvo in any case. Wait for a key injury or poor play and the suitors will be there. They always are. It's just a matter of time and HuGo are very patient and there's no urgency to move him anyways.

Exactly. Bergevin overpaid, perhaps, because he was in an unexpected bind and, well, hockey seasons bring a lot of unexpected binds for GMs of all teams...

Plus, Montreal could be hit with the injury bug as well and having Dvorak might be a huge bonus for them as well.

 

[Runner77]

just trying to figure out what the Habs/Devils rumor might be for.

I think we got our wires crossed on what Severson is.

I saw you translate and post that Max Guérin rumour about how the Habs and Devils have held repeated talks in the past few days. Devils posters were blasé about it. Understandably, since Guérin has no credibility.

A Twitter user pressed Guérin (if that’s even a real name — he’s changed his Twitter user name 3 times in the last few months and recently shut down his account completely only to revive it under his past user name a few days later) for who he thought might be at play and he ventured, “Severson” but that was just a wild guess.

We’ve all been around the rumour mill and we know that teams talk all the time. Guérin may have only caught wind of one particular back and forth, since that’s what his alleged contact may know. But, Guérin knows nothing about what was discussed so it’s basically useless.

You and I can speculate on similar exchanges between the Habs and (name your counterpart) and chances are, we’d both be right, cause you guessed it — teams talk all the time. That wouldn’t make us insiders, obviously.

Guérin is just a wannabe. Some said that he is a fireman and just plays the role of an insider on Twitter for sport. He does have an active imagination and an elegant delivery of the French language but that’s just a smokescreen for his lack of substance.

But, you probably already knew all or most of this.

 

[Xirik]

I saw you translate and post that Max Guérin rumour about how the Habs and Devils have held repeated talks in the past few days. Devils posters were blasé about it. Understandably, since Guérin has no credibility.

A Twitter user pressed Guérin (if that’s even a real name — he’s changed his Twitter user name 3 times in the last few months and recently shut down his account completely only to revive it under his past user name a few days later) for who he thought might be at play and he ventured, “Severson” but that was just a wild guess.

We’ve all been around the rumour mill and we know that teams talk all the time. Guérin may have only caught wind of one particular back and forth, since that’s what his alleged contact may know. But, Guérin knows nothing about what was discussed so it’s basically useless.

You and I can speculate on similar exchanges between the Habs and (name your counterpart) and chances are, we’d both be right, cause you guessed it — teams talk all the time. That wouldn’t make us insiders, obviously.

Guérin is just a wannabe. Some said that he is a fireman and just plays the role of an insider on Twitter for sport. He does have an active imagination and an elegant delivery of the French language but that’s just a smokescreen for his lack of substance.

But, you probably already knew all or most of this.

No?

I don't read french, I saw someone post it here and thought if a Habs fan posted it here and other Habs fans were commenting it had to be somewhat credible. I doubt other Devils fans know much about other teams insiders especially french speaking ones. The Habs seem to have a lot more "Insiders" then the Devils though. I think they only have two.

 

[MXD]

*Depending on the return.

C'mon now, Draisaitl and McDavid werent coming back to make it worth !

 

[Runner77]

No?

I don't read french, I saw someone post it here and thought if a Habs fan posted it here and other Habs fans were commenting it had to be somewhat credible. I doubt other Devils fans know much about other teams insiders especially french speaking ones. The Habs seem to have a lot more "Insiders" then the Devils though. I think they only have two.

Fine, but what you posted on the Devils forum was a translated text, whether you translated it yourself or not. The original Tweet was in French. So, yes, minus the semantics.

Guérin is not an insider, so I don’t know where you’re getting that he might be. But, suit yourself.

Fans in here covers a wide base. Some are not discriminate and even post garbage from Hockey30 or Murphy regularly. Guérin is in that category — he spitballs and is thus a prime candidate for caveats.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

just trying to figure out what the Habs/Devils rumor might be for.

I think we got our wires crossed on what Severson is. ill let you look up his stats and make up your mind. I believe he's the closest to a Prime-ish Petry type replacement you can get. Severson has been used as a top pairing defenseman for most of his career. It is just after the Devils got Hamilton that he didn't have to shoulder the burden as much but he still has the most TOI by 2 minutes. I believe because he didn't hae to shoulder as much is the reason he had a career year.

If Montreal doesn't have other RD to carry some of the right-side burden then you won't like him as a 1st pairing. If your other RD are better then P.K Subbans ghost then he will shine in the role.

I'll also point out that the trade I suggested isn't that bad as its basically a trade of the last drafts 1st (beck) for a 1st in this years draft(Severson). You are only losing a late round pick. If he does good and montreal decides to resign Severson then that's a net positive as well.
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There are several reasons why this wouldn't make much sense for the habs:

-The habs likely don't have the cap space for Severson's contract + Dach signing.
-Severson will hurt the tank and they could just sign someone like Subban to do the same job without hurting the tank and at a cheap contract.
-Beck could have a great season and become more valuable than that late 1st.
-Severson could injure himself and not be tradeable at the tdl. It's a major risk to take for no reason.

 

[Draft]

C'mon now, Draisaitl and McDavid werent coming back to make it worth !

If we could have snagged Holloway our Puljujarvi, I’d have been pretty happy.

 

[John B]

just trying to figure out what the Habs/Devils rumor might be for.

I think we got our wires crossed on what Severson is. ill let you look up his stats and make up your mind. I believe he's the closest to a Prime-ish Petry type replacement you can get. Severson has been used as a top pairing defenseman for most of his career. It is just after the Devils got Hamilton that he didn't have to shoulder the burden as much but he still has the most TOI by 2 minutes. I believe because he didn't hae to shoulder as much is the reason he had a career year.

If Montreal doesn't have other RD to carry some of the right-side burden then you won't like him as a 1st pairing. If your other RD are better then P.K Subbans ghost then he will shine in the role.

I'll also point out that the trade I suggested isn't that bad as its basically a trade of the last drafts 1st (beck) for a 1st in this years draft(Severson). You are only losing a late round pick. If he does good and montreal decides to resign Severson then that's a net positive as well.
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Blackwood? There were trade rumors about him last season. Habs were rumored to be interested in Samsonov last season. Allen is UFA at the end of this season, so they may want a younger goaltender in the fold.

 

[Scriptor]

No?

I don't read french, I saw someone post it here and thought if a Habs fan posted it here and other Habs fans were commenting it had to be somewhat credible. I doubt other Devils fans know much about other teams insiders especially french speaking ones. The Habs seem to have a lot more "Insiders" then the Devils though. I think they only have two.

99.9% of things discussed here are NOT credible.

 

[Habs Halifax]

You keep repeating your take on Slafkovsky like it's documented truth, but you clearly have no idea about his play if this is what you believe.

Again, in international play, they tasked Slafkovsky with carrying the puck up the ice and into the O-zone as the game plan and opponents were unable to solve that game plan, despite being obvious.

I don't know why you keep playing that broken record that he's only good in the O-zone at protecting the puck, along the boards and down low.

There's a lot more to Slafkovsky's game than that and, hopefully, management and the coaching staff don't try to limit his game by pigeon-holing him as you are doing.

The last thing I would want to see, for example, is the coaching staff slapping him n the wrist after scoring a goal like he did just recently in that 3 on 3 summer league.

Taking spontaneity and creativity out of a young player's game would be a huge disservice! Thankfully, I believe MSl won't be that type of head coach.

Documented truth? . It's my opinion. I stand by what I said. Learn to live with a disagreement. You're getting obsessed now bud. I thought you said you wanted to move on? Saying the same things over and over again now and it was not even a conversation with you.

I don't believe you are comprehending it well. Probably think I think Slaf can't carry the puck at all at this stage.

 

[Habs Halifax]

There are several reasons why this wouldn't make much sense for the habs:

-The habs likely don't have the cap space for Severson's contract + Dach signing.
-Severson will hurt the tank and they could just sign someone like Subban to do the same job without hurting the tank and at a cheap contract.
-Beck could have a great season and become more valuable than that late 1st.
-Severson could injure himself and not be tradeable at the tdl. It's a major risk to take for no reason.

I don't think the Habs are planning on taking like you think or want them too. However, I do agree the Severson trade didn't make sense.

Subban is likely going to try to sign an tryout with a contender or a team trying to make the playoffs. If he comes to the Habs, it means he's out of options

Hughes will look for a RD but doubt that plays out. Maybe something happens in season.

 

[Benstheman]

Since the Islanders have $11M in cap space and didn't get Kadri...

NYI: Hoffman, Drouin, 2nd

MTL: 2023 1st, 3rd

If they wanted Kadri, it's probably because they need a center. Dvorak would be a likelier target for them.

 

[Hins77]

Since the Islanders have $11M in cap space and didn't get Kadri...

NYI: Hoffman, Drouin, 2nd

MTL: 2023 1st, 3rd

I would like to see Lamoriello’s reaction on his cellphone after this proposing

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

I would like to see Lamoriello’s reaction on his cellphone after this proposing

Lamoriello probably hasn't upgraded his pager yet to a cell phone.

 

[MonkeyBusiness]

Sign and trade for a multi-season deal (read : 3 or more) is f***ing stupid.

It would have been a one-year deal, for sure.

 

[Runner77]

99.9% of things discussed here are NOT credible.

The Truman Show.