HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #80

[ericd]

 

[McGees]

I hate to bring this up but how would you know that?

The office is next door to my 'calf implants' doctor.

 

[Miller Time]

Bob isn't waiving his NMC to go to Montreal.

Florida isn't making that trade because their goal is to win now and that trade hurts them in the present. For whatever warts and inconsistency is in Bobrovksy's game, he was a top 10 (arguably) top 5 goalie in the NHL last season. Florida's D is already reeling from the loss of Weegar, they aren't going to move Gudas as well. All for two bottom 6 wingers and 1B/2 goalie. It makes no sense at all for them, even with Knight.

Montreal isn't making that trade because they're rebuilding and they need greater clarity with Price's plans. We know that chances are that Price isn't going to play next season. We don't know if he's considering further surgery that can give him a chance to play in 2023-2024 though. I don't think its likely, but its not impossible. The other problem is that Montreal's rebuilding. Bobrovksy can speed things up, but acquiring a 33 year old goalie on a long term deal to reduce your chances of getting a high pick in one of the highest rated drafts in a decade and who will likely hurt your chances to compete further down the line doesn't sound great to me.

Care to share the lotto numbers as well?

False certainties aside, I think the Cats would value moving bobs contract despite the short term potential negative impact (see Tkachuk for hubs/weegar, which establishes Zitos long term lens vs next year focus), and if they did, a vet like Allen is exactly the kind of goalie that fits shifting the focus to knight as the main guy.

For the Habs, I don't think Hugo are following the narrow & largely fan fantasy narrative of "rebuild", nor the tank intentionally for a high pick in 2023.

The Monahan trade and the forward roster that is overflowing in veteran depth don't align with that story, nor do I think MSL would've signed up for a totes style scorched earth tank.

More likely is that they continue to make moves that unshakle them from the roster/cap mess MB left behind & make moves they feel get them on track to compete, contend & win as soon as possible.

This move, IF one believes Bob is still elite/upper tier AND can maintain that level for 2-3 of the 4 years left on his deal, accomplishes that.

If one thinks Bob isn't that caliber, or will decline too rapidly during his 34-35-36-37 year window, then of course it makes the deal a non starter.

I think that given his relatively low total games thus far, relative health and performance level at 33, he's a good bet to stay at a relatively stable performance level through the end of this deal, with the 4th year the bigger risk (& by then we should have a young, cheap successor ready to split or lead time). Fleury is 37 this year, I'd bet on bob matching or exceeding MAFs level the past 4 years.

 

[Sebastien]

Care to share the lotto numbers as well?

False certainties aside, I think the Cats would value moving bobs contract despite the short term potential negative impact (see Tkachuk for hubs/weegar, which establishes Zitos long term lens vs next year focus), and if they did, a vet like Allen is exactly the kind of goalie that fits shifting the focus to knight as the main guy.

For the Habs, I don't think Hugo are following the narrow & largely fan fantasy narrative of "rebuild", nor the tank intentionally for a high pick in 2023.

The Monahan trade and the forward roster that is overflowing in veteran depth don't align with that story, nor do I think MSL would've signed up for a totes style scorched earth tank.

More likely is that they continue to make moves that unshakle them from the roster/cap mess MB left behind & make moves they feel get them on track to compete, contend & win as soon as possible.

This move, IF one believes Bob is still elite/upper tier AND can maintain that level for 2-3 of the 4 years left on his deal, accomplishes that.

If one thinks Bob isn't that caliber, or will decline too rapidly during his 34-35-36-37 year window, then of course it makes the deal a non starter.

I think that given his relatively low total games thus far, relative health and performance level at 33, he's a good bet to stay at a relatively stable performance level through the end of this deal, with the 4th year the bigger risk (& by then we should have a young, cheap successor ready to split or lead time). Fleury is 37 this year, I'd bet on bob matching or exceeding MAFs level the past 4 years.

Doesn't even matter because he's not waiving.

 

[VirginiaMtlExpat]

Interesting comment by a reader of an online article on Canadiens 2022-23 Training Camp Predictions , exploring options like PTOs to Subban or Stalman.

Another team to watch for right hand defensemen is the Kings. At this point they are drowning in them with Doughty, Roy, Walker and Durzi fighting for the spots, Jordan Spencer close behind, and two of the best RD prospects in Brock Faber and Brandt Clarke. I feel like this is a team who will be forced to sell, and that will reduce the player's cost.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Interesting comment by a reader of an online article on Canadiens 2022-23 Training Camp Predictions , exploring options like PTOs to Subban or Stalman.

Another team to watch for right hand defensemen is the Kings. At this point they are drowning in them with Doughty, Roy, Walker and Durzi fighting for the spots, Jordan Spencer close behind, and two of the best RD prospects in Brock Faber and Brandt Clarke. I feel like this is a team who will be forced to sell, and that will reduce the player's cost.

I say reunite Hoffman or Drouin with Bergevin. Seems only right.

 

[Sebastien]

Interesting comment by a reader of an online article on Canadiens 2022-23 Training Camp Predictions , exploring options like PTOs to Subban or Stalman.

Another team to watch for right hand defensemen is the Kings. At this point they are drowning in them with Doughty, Roy, Walker and Durzi fighting for the spots, Jordan Spencer close behind, and two of the best RD prospects in Brock Faber and Brandt Clarke. I feel like this is a team who will be forced to sell, and that will reduce the player's cost.

Faber was traded back home to Minnesota for fiala.

 

[sheed36]

Just read a piece on the Montreal Hockey Now website from Murphy talking about what the Habs could potentially get back for Dvorak if they decided to move him.

First of all I'd like to correct Murphy on Dvorak's contract status. Dvorak as 3 years left on his contract and not 2 and is signed through the 2024-25 season and not the 2023-24 season. Nice fact checking there Murph..

Now for the value that their NHL Exec "source" said that Dvorak had on the trade market. They said he'd get a "3rd round pick if they’re lucky but I’d say a 4th rounder sounds more on target."

IMO if all the Habs could get back for Dvorak is a 3rd or 4th round pick you keep him, hope he can stay healthy and have a good season to up his trade value since I don't see the hurry in trading this guy unless you get some decent value back and a 3rd or 4th round pick isn't that.

I just can't see Hughes moving Dvorak for such terrible value as a 3rd or 4th round pick and if he wants to dump salary there's others he'll likely try and move before Dvorak to accomplish that.

Murphy: Two Different Takes On Potential Trade Return For Dvorak

Montreal Canadiens centre Christian Dvorak has been a constant in NHL trade chatter and rumours since prior to the March 21 NHL trade deadline. NHL trade talk regarding Dvorak and other Canadiens players had quieted down recently, but the acquisition of another centre in Sean Monahan last week...

montrealhockeynow.com

 

[SwiftyHab]

Just read a piece on the Montreal Hockey Now website from Murphy talking about what the Habs could potentially get back for Dvorak if they decided to move him.

First of all I'd like to correct Murphy on Dvorak's contract status. Dvorak as 3 years left on his contract and not 2 and is signed through the 2024-25 season and not the 2023-24 season. Nice fact checking there Murph..

Now for the value that their NHL Exec "source" said that Dvorak had on the trade market. They said he'd get a "3rd round pick if they’re lucky but I’d say a 4th rounder sounds more on target."

IMO if all the Habs could get back for Dvorak is a 3rd or 4th round pick you keep him, hope he can stay healthy and have a good season to up his trade value since I don't see the hurry in trading this guy unless you get some decent value back and a 3rd or 4th round pick isn't that.

I just can't see Hughes moving Dvorak for such terrible value as a 3rd or 4th round pick and if he wants to dump salary there's others he'll likely try and move before Dvorak to accomplish that.

Murphy: Two Different Takes On Potential Trade Return For Dvorak

Montreal Canadiens centre Christian Dvorak has been a constant in NHL trade chatter and rumours since prior to the March 21 NHL trade deadline. NHL trade talk regarding Dvorak and other Canadiens players had quieted down recently, but the acquisition of another centre in Sean Monahan last week...

montrealhockeynow.com

Given that his value was a 1st round pick when we traded for him and he hasn’t gotten worse, I think that he’s probably still close to that or maybe a 2nd at the worst to reflect the current market.

 

[DAChampion]

Given that his value was a 1st round pick when we traded for him and he hasn’t gotten worse, I think that he’s probably still close to that or maybe a 2nd at the worst to reflect the current market.

Dvorak's value was a first because Bergevin was desperate.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Dvorak's value was a first because Bergevin was desperate.

I believe he still has 1st rounder value. He's a solid middle 2C type on a value contract and I think too many in our herd and outside our herd are not factoring in drowning narratives with Ducharme.

Personally, I think we need him while Suzuki, Dach, Evans continue to mature/develop. Monahan added but I'm thinking about 23/24 season as well.

Lots of information we will find out this season heading to the next deadline. I do believe several players will have rebounds from this group... Gallagher, Armia, Dvorak, Hoffman, Dadonov, Dvorak, Drouin, Byron. Not all of them but some of they for sure. All of them drowning with MSL is not probable from what I see.

 

[Runner77]

Dvorak's value was a first because Bergevin was desperate.

Exactly. I seem to remember the elated reaction by Zona’s GM after pulling off the trade. He had been holding off for his asking price after several suitors had rebuffed him until, Bergie came along.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Exactly. I seem to remember that the elated reaction by Zona’s GM after pulling off the trade. He had being holding off for his asking price after several suitors had rebuffed him until, Bergie came along.

There's ALWAYS a GM willing to overpay to plug a hole. Given his contract, age and performance, particularly under MSL, I think Habs will get a 1st or equivalent for Dvo in any case. Wait for a key injury or poor play and the suitors will be there. They always are. It's just a matter of time and HuGo are very patient and there's no urgency to move him anyways.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Exactly. I seem to remember that the elated reaction by Zona’s GM after pulling off the trade. He had being holding off for his asking price after several suitors had rebuffed him until, Bergie came along.

Bergevin created the situation by giving Petry and Gallagher what they wanted and miss managing Danault where he ended up letting him walk and the Canes came in to strike on KK at the perfect time!

Bergevin clearly thought that signing Armia, Savard, Hoffman was better than retaining Danault. Many fans agreed and I won't forget it. I was and will be a huge Danault fan. How he was treated by Fans, Media, and our GM should be a huge lesson to learn on attacking players. I kept saying it... Danault worked just as hard or harder than Gallagher on each and every shift and several fans attacked me for it. Guys like MacKinnon saying good things about him and fans still thought they knew better. Only reason why we made the finals was because of Price" Danault with our big/mobile top 4D was a minor factor type comments. Comical.

Bergevin also felt that Dvorak would yield good results cause remember this.... "one of the best winger depth in the NHL" heading into last year. I'll admit, I fell for that part too!

 

[McGees]

Imagine giving up a 1st, just to trade him for a 4th lol...
Won't happen.

 

[SwiftyHab]

 

[Ghetto Sangria]

Severson would be interesting. Get a guy to eat some minutes in the top 4 and then flip him at the deadline

 

[larryb]

Dvorak straight up for Dante fabbro
Gives us a solid young RD
Whose in ?

 

[SwiftyHab]

Severson would be interesting. Get a guy to eat some minutes in the top 4 and then flip him at the deadline

I wonder if theyd still want Anderson. They’re missing another winger for sure

 

[Team_Spirit]

So Dvorak went from a low 1st to a 4th after posting his best ppg season ever?

Sounds like bs to me.

 

[26Mats]

Imagine giving up a 1st, just to trade him for a 4th lol...
Won't happen.

Definitely won't happen.

Even if they want to trade him, they'll at least wait and see if he can get his trade value up to a 1st rounder or a good young piece.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

So Dvorak went from a low 1st to a 4th after posting his best ppg season ever?

Sounds like bs to me.

Yeah but he plays for Montreal so that cuts 75% of his value

 

[26Mats]

So Dvorak went from a low 1st to a 4th after posting his best ppg season ever?

Sounds like bs to me.

it could be what those particular NHL executives are willing to pay, even though it isn't what the highest bidder will pay.

At any rate, Dvo is a player we need to put in a position to succeed. In fact, I would argue Dach and Dvo should get whatever wingers are best for them and Suzuki can get the best of the rest.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

So Dvorak went from a low 1st to a 4th after posting his best ppg season ever?

Sounds like bs to me.

...also sounds like Bargain Bin ridiculously overpaid for Dvorak...which he did...

 

[The Great Weal]

...also sounds like Bargain Bin ridiculously overpaid for Dvorak...which he did...

Meh the 2nd was overkill but a late 1st is about standard for a 3rd line center and he’s got a solid contract. Still zero vision from that bozo though.