...Hornqvist on IR is more motivated & better than Armia in the lineup most nights...
HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #80
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...Hornqvist on IR is more motivated & better than Armia in the lineup most nights...
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SlafySZN
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Yes
Hope the guys will pass the puck to caufield lol Petry wasn’t passing the puck to him on the PP and i remember at the end of a game hoffman taking shots and shots and shots while Cole was wide open and was waiting
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Matheson is a better and more creative passer than Petry, so we should see some more pucks going Caufield's way. Wonder if Barron will also get PP time, I have high hopes for him.Yes
Hope the guys will pass the puck to caufield lol Petry wasn’t passing the puck to him on the PP and i remember at the end of a game hoffman taking shots and shots and shots while Cole was wide open and was waiting
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SlafySZN
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That goal Barron scored walking the line was a thing of beauty.
Even better now that i’m watching it again
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I think they give Matheson a real shot as the Number 1 PP QB. He's never really had that opportunity. He's played behind Yandle and Letang... not much of a chance for him to get primo PP time.
He'll get a big chance with some legit weapons this season.
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Works? Did they replace Burrows?
Would have been more impactful as a threat.
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Hoffman, Armia, Allen 1.4M retained
To Mtl
Bob 2M retained, Gudas
Fla creates 1.2M in cap relief now, while adding roster player. Shifts Knight into spotlight with solid 1B vet to support this year, while freeing up cap flexibility by reducing cap $ tied up in G significantly for 3 years after that.
Cost is taking on Hoff/Armia.
Habs shore up #1G at 8M$ for next 4 years, giving ample time for Primeau or other prospect to grow into starting role (or target a pick towards that need next summer).
Gudas adds grit to D and stop gap RD.
Year 2 delta btw Hoff/Armia & Bob cap hits is a wash, year 3 it's 4M (but ELC/RFA fwds + cap increase offsets it, year 4 cap increase softens 8M cap hit (& hopefully he's still a solid #1 or at least #1B).
Gamble a bit on Bob not imploding, but he seemed back on track last season and no major health concerns... Monty, then Primeau, means G total cap hit stays under 10M next 2-4years, while giving us potentially a top 5-10 #1G.
Other benefit might be Allen/Knight not matching bobs level of play and nudging Fla '23 1st a bit higher.
Hoffman, Armia, Allen 1.4M retained
To Mtl
Bob 2M retained, Gudas
Fla creates 1.2M in cap relief now, while adding roster player. Shifts Knight into spotlight with solid 1B vet to support this year, while freeing up cap flexibility by reducing cap $ tied up in G significantly for 3 years after that.
Cost is taking on Hoff/Armia.
Habs shore up #1G at 8M$ for next 4 years, giving ample time for Primeau or other prospect to grow into starting role (or target a pick towards that need next summer).
Gudas adds grit to D and stop gap RD.
Year 2 delta btw Hoff/Armia & Bob cap hits is a wash, year 3 it's 4M (but ELC/RFA fwds + cap increase offsets it, year 4 cap increase softens 8M cap hit (& hopefully he's still a solid #1 or at least #1B).
Gamble a bit on Bob not imploding, but he seemed back on track last season and no major health concerns... Monty, then Primeau, means G total cap hit stays under 10M next 2-4years, while giving us potentially a top 5-10 #1G.
Other benefit might be Allen/Knight not matching bobs level of play and nudging Fla '23 1st a bit higher.
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I think we will be a little better but not sure how much gains we can make there. We lack a PP QB and even Suzuki has difficulty carrying the puck into the zone with possession. Can Suzuki take yet another step forward? Very possible. Can Barron or Harris run our PP? Matheson?
Lots of question marks still.
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From the D/Neutral zone into the offensive zone? I don't think you understand what I am saying and I think you are asking too much of them.
Slaf is not going to be a puck possession winger like Gaudreau. He's going to be solid at protecting the puck but that's when you enter the zone and have possession. His strength is along the walls and down low and that's how he carries the puck.
Dach is hard to tell at this point. I'm not putting that kind of pressure on him this early. I don't see him better at it than Suzuki but we will see. He does have good size/skating
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I don’t agree with you on your take on Slafkovsky, he’s constantly carrying the puck through the middle. And for Dach he was the 2nd best in zone entries and transition game on the hawks last season, it’s one of his strenght to carry the puck, just need better finishing.
But in my comment i was talking about the powerplay both are better at carrying the puck than suzuki or someone like anderson
I don't think it's too bad unless they can get an upgrade on Dvorak. The big issue is the cap. Gallagher at 6.5 (brutal) and Price, who on LTIR will at least count in the offseason for 4 more years. Even shedding Dadonov, maybe Drouin, maybe Monahan (although it's not out of the realm of possibility one or 2 could be resigned), Prices 10.5 comes right back in the offseason. There's still not a ton of wiggle room. They still need to figure out a number 1 D, who will not be cheap.Plus, another goalie who MAY be a starter depending on how Monty does. Plus, Caulfield could sign a decent sized contract. I know they can go over the cap by 10% in the offseason, but every year, the 10.5 will be there.
...unless Florida is throwing in at least one pick (they only have two 2nds in the next three years), I wouldn't even consider that trade...and with Bobrovsky's NTC/NMC, I doubt he wants to come to the fishbowl either...
You can't retain more than 50% of a contract.
Bob is purely A cap dump at this point, we can do Bob 50% salary retained+ Lundell + 1st round pick For Allen + future considerations for the great Bob..
Yup, he could balk.
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Gudas as a rental in-season could secure that. Value-wise, I don't think a 2nd or 3rd changes anything on our end. Either HuGo views Bob as a legit #1 next for 3-4 seasons or they don't. If they do, and they're right, deal as is already heavily favors us. Off loading the redundant Hoff/Armia is the risk mitigation on our end that makes the deal worthwhile. Value from talent pov is already skewed to us... Knight & their cap crunch next few yrs is the only reason it'd make any sense for them (Bob won 39 games last year, afterall)
39 Wins, .913 SV %
That's not a "pure cap dump" caliber player/performance level.
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That is the same sign they have outside the erectile dysfunction Dr office.
...and did it playing OK hockey while Florida outscored everyone on a pace that is totally unsustainable...and don't forget that Florida will want Knight playing in order to gauge his worth, not stuck behind a $10 mill OK aging goalie for the next four years...HuGo needs to squeeze every bit of value out and dumping two contracts that have less term and less Cap hit than Bob isn't worth it alone...nor is Gudas worth Allen, imo...personally, I think we'd need more of an incentive to make this deal...
Certainly, if the assessment is that Bob is no longer a legit/top caliber #1, then an 8M$ price tag, even with jettisoning Hoff/Armia, would require more incentive.
Frankly, I don't think I'd pull the trigger at all, even with pick/prospect added, if I didn't believe Bob is/will be a top 10 G for at least next 2yrs.
I think he is, obviously. And just as obviously, if you don't then this proposal is a non starter.
...absolutely agree; I simply do not feel that Bobrovsky is the Top 10 goalie anymore that you do...and I also feel that Florida wants to move him to make room for Knight in the next year or so, which also would give anyone trading for him some leverage in the deal...
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Essentially, another bad day at the orifice.
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Bob isn't waiving his NMC to go to Montreal.
Florida isn't making that trade because their goal is to win now and that trade hurts them in the present. For whatever warts and inconsistency is in Bobrovksy's game, he was a top 10 (arguably) top 5 goalie in the NHL last season. Florida's D is already reeling from the loss of Weegar, they aren't going to move Gudas as well. All for two bottom 6 wingers and 1B/2 goalie. It makes no sense at all for them, even with Knight.
Montreal isn't making that trade because they're rebuilding and they need greater clarity with Price's plans. We know that chances are that Price isn't going to play next season. We don't know if he's considering further surgery that can give him a chance to play in 2023-2024 though. I don't think its likely, but its not impossible. The other problem is that Montreal's rebuilding. Bobrovksy can speed things up, but acquiring a 33 year old goalie on a long term deal to reduce your chances of getting a high pick in one of the highest rated drafts in a decade and who will likely hurt your chances to compete further down the line doesn't sound great to me.
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I hate to bring this up but how would you know that?
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