HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #80

[Sterling Archer]

I don't see Lou in on Dvorak. Sorry. I think it's a reach. I value Dvorak and think he is better than what he gets credit for but I don't see this happening. If it does, I won't be be shocked but I will be surprised.

He was in on Kadri cause he improves their offense. They are clearly looking for more offense IMO.

ok.

 

[sampollock]

If Kent moves anyone else, no way he retains salary. he wants to dumb as much as he can

 

[BaseballCoach]

Contenders don't have 5m 3rd centers.

Sure they do.

3rd line C who is your top faceoff guy and a key PKer is your 7th most important forward, maybe even 6th.

On a team without two superstar centers, that third center is really quasi-core.

Pens won in 2017 with two 1Cs and Bonino at $2M at 3C, but look at what happened after that.

Capitals won in 2018 with Eller earning $4.75M as 3C (but cap was $3.5M)​

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Blues in 2019 had Tyler Bozak at $5.0M as 3C​

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Lightning in 2020 and 2021 had Gourde making $5.1M at 3C.​

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Avalanche in 2022 had Jost at $2M as the most expensive after Mackinnon and Kadri.​

The average of the last 5 years is $4.5M and the players would get around 0.5ppg very similar to Dvorak.

 

[Habs Icing]

So I say maybe he works on Dach's wong, and can take the draws if Dach still can't. But, if he's too washed up, I don't want him playing with Dach. I'd also be interested to see if he can finish up Cole and Suzi's plays. That combo could potential get his trade value up by the deadline.

Hey, hey, hey, let's keep this PG.

 

[Habs Icing]

How can you count Dubois in our C depth? Lmao

Easy. Just like when he looks at you he counts the money in your bank as in his account.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Most contending team have 31 years old core players (because their rebuild took longer than anticipated). Dvo is not core, never will be. Then they have a few cheap vets in the bottom 6 (acquired later).

The D will take years to get fixed (and take up that 15m easily). We are missing 2 top 4 Ds on top of Mailloux, Harris, Guhle, and Barron developing perfectly (that never happens, a few will fail) - these 4 also need to get paid, 4 entry level at the same time - it's an opportunity but they will all also get raises at the same time if they develop well.

Contenders don't have 5m 3rd centers....they have all their money in the top 6, top 4 D, and a G. - that's why someone like Beck will be the 3rd center when the window will open, entry-level contract, allowing us to have 5 8m+ forwards in the top 6.

Tampa had 3C's either making more or slightly less than Dvorak in both 2021 and 2020.

There's no one way to go about building a contender. You just need to have a lot of elite talent.

 

[Habs Icing]

Questions: Why would they want Hoffman and Drouin? Why would they give us a 2023 1st for them?

Because Lou grew up a Habs fan?

I may be the 10th person to raise this, and if that's the case, sorry, I'm genuinely not aware of this, but....

Could the Habs and Flames have already agreed on the future considerations, but since the deal is future and the player is a Hab now and will be traded only later, can't be announced?

(thinking basically Byron or Drouin, being sent to Calgary as the FC at the TDL, barring both being healthy (mostly for Drouin) and/or NHL-level (mostly for Byron))

If that's the case then the Flames owe us when we traded them our AHL d-man(forgot his name) for FC.

 

[smirob]

I don't think PLD is a bad idea. Still young enough to fit into a long term plan, and if you land Bedard/Dvorsky/Fantilli you have the option of either starting one of those on the wing (likely not for Bedard) or moving PLD to the wing.

I would love to see PLD - Suzuki - Caufield as an option..

 

[sheed36]

They just signed Romanov at $2.5m. They have $7.4m left and Dobson still needs to be signed. He's getting at least $5m-$5.5m, so no they don't have that much.

Maybe later in year if one of Drouin or Hoffman shows well and NYI has injuries. They'll acquire cap space throughout year.

Dobson needs to fire his current agent and hire you as his agent instead.

 

[MXD]

Because Lou grew up a Habs fan?


If that's the case then the Flames owe us when we traded them our AHL d-man(forgot his name) for FC.

It was McNiven, no?
(Besides I just raised a possibility).

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

...wondering, since Florida needs to shed a few mill to get under the Cap, if they'd move Hornqvist for Armia...would save them $1.9 mill this year and then they have a significant decrease in the Yandle buyout Cap hit, so 2 more years of Armia wouldn't hurt them as much...

 

[Lockin17]

...wondering, since Florida needs to shed a few mill to get under the Cap, if they'd move Hornqvist for Armia...would save them $1.9 mill this year and then they have a significant decrease in the Yandle buyout Cap hit, so 2 more years of Armia wouldn't hurt them as much...

This would be a great move

 

[Weltschmerz]

Sure they do.

3rd line C who is your top faceoff guy and a key PKer is your 7th most important forward.

On a team without two superstar centers, that third center is really quasi-core.

Pens won in 2017 with two 1Cs and Bonino at $2M at 3C, but look at what happened after that.

Capitals won in 2018 with Eller earning $4.75M as 3C (but cap was $3.5M)​

​

Blues in 2019 had Tyler Bozak at $5.0M as 3C​

​

Lightning in 2020 and 2021 had Gourde making $5.1M at 3C.​

​

Avalanche in 2022 had Jost at $2M as the most expensive after Mackinnon and Kadri.​

The average of the last 5 years is $4.5M and the players would get around 0.5ppg very similar to Dvorak.

Jost was traded at the deadline though.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

This would be a great move

...and Armia would also help make them worse this year so their 1st would be more valuable to us...a win-win...

 

[Lockin17]

...and Armia would also help make them worse this year so their 1st would be more valuable to us...a win-win...

I would not be so sure about that , Armia if motivated could be better then Honquist

 

[HuGort]

Dobson just signed. He would be ideal on our future blue line

 

[Sterling Archer]

Dobson just signed. He would be ideal on our future blue line

So would Hedman and Makar, but we’re not getting them either.

 

[SOLR]

Sure they do.

3rd line C who is your top faceoff guy and a key PKer is your 7th most important forward.

On a team without two superstar centers, that third center is really quasi-core.

Pens won in 2017 with two 1Cs and Bonino at $2M at 3C, but look at what happened after that.

Capitals won in 2018 with Eller earning $4.75M as 3C (but cap was $3.5M)​

​

Blues in 2019 had Tyler Bozak at $5.0M as 3C​

​

Lightning in 2020 and 2021 had Gourde making $5.1M at 3C.​

​

Avalanche in 2022 had Jost at $2M as the most expensive after Mackinnon and Kadri.​

The average of the last 5 years is $4.5M and the players would get around 0.5ppg very similar to Dvorak.

If one of your top 2C isn't paid over 5 (or your wingers are cheap, rookies), or something like that, having a 5m guy on the 3rd line is fine.

My point is more, you shouldn't get a 5m$ 3rd C BEFORE you get your core. It's an addon.

If you have that player before, core players should have priority on the $$$....

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Dobson needs to fire his current agent and hire you as his agent instead.

He just had a 51 pt season on a poor offensive team. He should fire his agent. That's a ridiculous contract. Sergachev got $4.8m on his bridge coming off ELC. He had 38 points on a far more potent offensive team. It's not unreasonable at all for Dobson to get $5m on a bridge.

 

[HuGort]

So would Hedman and Makar, but we’re not getting them either.

We could of had Dobson though. F....ing Timmins

 

[BaseballCoach]

If one of your top 2C isn't paid over 5 (or your wingers are cheap, rookies), or something like that, having a 5m guy on the 3rd line is fine.

My point is more, you shouldn't get a 5m$ 3rd C BEFORE you get your core. It's an addon.

If you have that player before, core players should have priority on the $$$....

O'Reilly 7.5M
Schenn 5.2M
Bozak 5.0M

Stamkos 8.5M
Point 6.7M
Gourde 5.1M

Backstrom 6.7M
Kuznetsov 7.8M
Eller 4.75M (3.5 cap)

So what is the problem with
Suzuki 7.9M
Dach 4.25M (approx in 2-3 yrs)
Dvorak 4.45M
.... when we know Dach is poor in the dot and does not kill penalties?

 

[Sterling Archer]

We could of had Dobson though. F....ing Timmins

So could’ve 10 other teams. He went about where he was ranked at the time. I don’t like this revisionist history BS. Literally no one was banging the table for Habs to draft Dobson at 3.

Even Isles took Wahlstrom before him.

 

[SlafySZN]

O'Reilly 7.5M
Schenn 5.2M
Bozak 5.0M

Stamkos 8.5M
Point 6.7M
Gourde 5.1M

Backstrom 6.7M
Kuznetsov 7.8M
Eller 4.75M (3.5 cap)

So what is the problem with
Suzuki 7.9M
Dach 4.25M (approx in 2-3 yrs)
Dvorak 4.45M
.... when we know Dach is poor in the dot and does not kill penalties?

He plays on the PK. And i don’t really know why people are that obsessed over his faceoffs, he’ll get better.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

I would not be so sure about that , Armia if motivated could be better then Honquist

...so it's the Florida strip clubs that would motivate him??...cuz the Montreal ones are better and don't work...

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

I would not be so sure about that , Armia if motivated could be better then Honquist

Hornqvist is far better than even a motivated Armia. He is more injury prone though.