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HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #80

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Habs Halifax said:
I think the NHLPA outstanding balance will be close to be paid off after this next season and both sides look to increase the cap more than the scheduled $1M to avoid shocking the system. They were already $400M ahead of schedule last season and Bettman said those were conservative numbers.

So I think we are looking at a $84/$85M cap for 23/24 and around $90M for 24/25. I don't think it takes 4 more years.



Something you have to live with if he gets claimed. Doubt he would but possible. We have others like Ylonen who can be called up
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Something you have to live with if he gets claimed. Doubt he would but possible. We have others like Ylonen who can be called up

Seriously, who cares if Pezzetta is claimed off waivers. are we winning a Cup with him even as the 13th forward? I don't think he factors in at all, in any way shape or form. As you noted, there is Ylonen and others that can be called up, like RHP, Mysak or others, for example.

So I think we are looking at a $84/$85M cap for 23/24 and around $90M for 24/25. I don't think it takes 4 more years.

If that's truly the case, Montreal will have no problem fitting in a contending roster. Now, they will just need to acquire, draft and develop the required players. ;)
 
I may be the 10th person to raise this, and if that's the case, sorry, I'm genuinely not aware of this, but....

Could the Habs and Flames have already agreed on the future considerations, but since the deal is future and the player is a Hab now and will be traded only later, can't be announced?

(thinking basically Byron or Drouin, being sent to Calgary as the FC at the TDL, barring both being healthy (mostly for Drouin) and/or NHL-level (mostly for Byron))
 
MXD said:
I may be the 10th person to raise this, and if that's the case, sorry, I'm genuinely not aware of this, but....

Could the Habs and Flames have already agreed on the future considerations, but since the deal is future and the player is a Hab now and will be traded only later, can't be announced?

(thinking basically Byron or Drouin, being sent to Calgary as the FC at the TDL, barring both being healthy (mostly for Drouin) and/or NHL-level (mostly for Byron))
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No future considerations means nothing; we traded Mcniven last year to Calgary for future considerations.
 
SwiftyHab said:
I think DVO at a 50% discount for $2.25M to be your 3rd line C for 3 years is worth a 1st next year.
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The only players I can conceive Hughes retaining on are players on expiring contracts and being traded this year a la Drouin, Byron Allan etc. Habs are only allowed to eat on 3 contracts so I don't think they'll be doing on any longer term player, not to mention that Dvo is already on a very good contract and there's no need to eat any of it.
 
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Indca said:
No future considerations means nothing; we traded Mcniven last year to Calgary for future considerations.
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It usually does mean nothing indeed.
But the GMs are constantly talking to each oher.
 
Scriptor said:
Something you have to live with if he gets claimed. Doubt he would but possible. We have others like Ylonen who can be called up

Seriously, who cares if Pezzetta is claimed off waivers. are we winning a Cup with him even as the 13th forward? I don't think he factors in at all, in any way shape or form. As you noted, there is Ylonen and others that can be called up, like RHP, Mysak or others, for example.

So I think we are looking at a $84/$85M cap for 23/24 and around $90M for 24/25. I don't think it takes 4 more years.

If that's truly the case, Montreal will have no problem fitting in a contending roster. Now, they will just need to acquire, draft and develop the required players. ;)
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We are in good shape. Still need to draft and develop well but the rebuild is very stable and starting from a very sound foundation.

I do think that cap will rise more than what some fans think. I've been paying attention to the context a lot and if Covid is gone (derailing fans at games), the revenue is going to grow and prior to Covid a $5B market was projected to be a $84M - $88M cap depending on escrow. I believe the revenue was $5.2B last year and that even included Covid derail in some parts of the season. $4.8B was the number they needed to reach for the cap to rise by $1M. They are at min $400M ahead of schedule. And Bettman said those were conservative numbers.

So yeah, we are in good shape with prospects developing while other contracts expire. I think the timing is right but I hope we spend our cap wisely and not just spend it for the sake of it.
 
SwiftyHab said:
I think DVO at a 50% discount for $2.25M to be your 3rd line C for 3 years is worth a 1st next year.
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We don't need to trade Dvorak at this point in time. Yeah, we added Monahan but we need Dvorak after this season as well. We can trade him if there is a good offer though but if the offer is weak, we retain and keep him while guys like Evans and Dach mature even more during the term Dvorak has left.

Dvorak was solid under MSL. Way too many were not with Ducharme. Dvorak has a value contract. We don't need to retain.
 
Habs13 said:
Since the Islanders have $11M in cap space and didn't get Kadri...

NYI: Hoffman, Drouin, 2nd

MTL: 2023 1st, 3rd
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Islanders have $7.5M in cap space but Dobson needs a contract. Do they bridge or go long term? Not sure but even a bridge is going to cost at least half of their cap space or slightly more than half.

Islanders also have Barzal to sign next season. I am not sure they like the idea of taking on Hoffman's term at this point in time.

Where did you get $11M in cap space for the Islanders? Am I missing something here?
 
Habs13 said:
Since the Islanders have $11M in cap space and didn't get Kadri...

NYI: Hoffman, Drouin, 2nd

MTL: 2023 1st, 3rd
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They just signed Romanov at $2.5m. They have $7.4m left and Dobson still needs to be signed. He's getting at least $5m-$5.5m, so no they don't have that much.

Maybe later in year if one of Drouin or Hoffman shows well and NYI has injuries. They'll acquire cap space throughout year.
 
Habs Halifax said:
We don't need to trade Dvorak at this point in time. Yeah, we added Monahan but we need Dvorak after this season as well. We can trade him if there is a good offer though but if the offer is weak, we retain and keep him while guys like Evans and Dach mature even more during the term Dvorak has left.

Dvorak was solid under MSL. Way too many were not with Ducharme. Dvorak has a value contract. We don't need to retain.
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But it’s possible the islanders miss the playoffs, so they’re 1st rounder next year is a great asset
 
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Runner77 said:
They would.

In the alternate reality that is this forum.
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Players not trending well and a flat cap where not many teams have cap space. What are some thinking? :laugh:

SwiftyHab said:
But it’s possible the islanders miss the playoffs, so they’re 1st rounder next year is a great asset
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Why would the Islanders want a center like Dvorak when they have Barzal, Nelson, Pageau, and Cizikas? It makes zero sense to the Islanders to that 1st is just not probable with that kind of idea.

Maybe the Avs bite on your idea now that Kadri is officially gone. Center depth after MacKinnon is thin
 
Runner77 said:
They would.

In the alternate reality that is this forum.
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It is Lou, though. When he was with the Devils, he gave Vancouver the 9th overall pick for Cory Schneider (Canucks took Bo Horvat with that pick). And he gave the Habs the 13th overall pick for Romanov.

So I wouldn't put it past him to pay a 1st round pick for a player we don't believe is worth a 1st.
 
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Sterling Archer said:
Is that why he was trying to sign Kadri?
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He might have been trying to trade on one of his centers to make the cap room. Also, there is a difference between Kadri and Dvorak and what you move to wing depending on who you acquire. They won't move any one of Barzal, Nelson, or Pageau to wing if they acquire Dvorak. What would be the point? But if they acquired Kadri, you can cause your adding skill/talent.

I don't see the Islanders in on Dvorak. Not one bit
 
Habs Halifax said:
He might have been trying to trade on one of his centers to make the cap room. Also, there is a difference between Kadri and Dvorak and what you move to wing depending on who you acquire. They won't move any one of Barzal, Nelson, or Pageau to wing if they acquire Dvorak. What would be the point? But if they acquired Kadri, you can cause your adding skill/talent.

I don't see the Islanders in on Dvorak. Not one bit
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Dvo is better than Pageau and Cizikas. Easily slot in 3rd center and Pageau can move to the wing or traded, as apparently Lou's been willing to move him.

Center depth as it is now is not great and Dvo improves it greatly, especially if there's an injury to Nelson or Barzal and he can easily move up in the rotation. You can never have enough center depth, especially if you have hopes of being a contender.
 
Sterling Archer said:
Dvo is better than Pageau and Cizikas. Easily slot in 3rd center and Pageau can move to the wing or traded, as apparently Lou's been willing to move him.

Center depth as it is now is not great and Dvo improves it greatly, especially if there's an injury to Nelson or Barzal and he can easily move up in the rotation. You can never have enough center depth, especially if you have hopes of being a contender.
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I don't see Lou in on Dvorak. Sorry. I think it's a reach. I value Dvorak and think he is better than what he gets credit for but I don't see this happening. If it does, I won't be shocked but I will be surprised.

He was in on Kadri cause he improves their offense. They are clearly looking for more offense IMO.
 
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