HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #80

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

No team is giving a first or second for Allen.

The only way he would get a first would be for Allen to play for .935 till deadline and trade have him at 50percent to a top team

 

[The Great Weal]

No team is giving a first or second for Allen.

The only way he would get a first would be for Allen to play for .935 till deadline and trade have him at 50percent to a top team

I’m sure a team would give a 2nd. A 1st isn’t happening.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I’m sure a team would give a 2nd. A 1st isn’t happening.

Vegas might but I don't see any other team. Agreed there. But I do see a lot of teams calling about Allen's value contract for a 1A/1B situation. Problem is they think they can get him for a 2nd rounder. Worth the call but a quick call in the end.

Habs would not have a hard time moving Allen for a 2nd rounder. Several teams would want that value contract no doubt cause there are a lot of teams who have the 1A/1B situation. It's a clear trend in the NHL over the last few seasons.

Personally, I would not trade Allen for a 2nd rounder. Maybe at the deadline

 

[26Mats]

$4.1M for an undersized winger whose never had 40 point season and oft injured. Aaaaand we'll have to pay for the privilege!

Sounds like a dream to me

I liked Beauvilier in the past. But didn't follow him last season, so don't know what happened to him in his 24 year old season. The numbers weren't good. But he had good numbers in his 22 and 23 year old season, especially the playoffs.

If one saw a reason he had a down year lo at year AND believes he's a good player, now is the time to buy low.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Multiple reports that Allen has been a sough after commodity dating back to the last deadline. I'm not wasting my time for you when you have belittle narrative stuck in your head on me now. I've seen lots of Allen trade talk and you have to be living under a rock if you think there is no supply/demand issues for teams and their goalie upgrade search.

Possible Reasoning For Canadiens To Hold Jake Allen Trade Talks

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thats rumours none of those are facts and once again name me your teams because outside of Vegas there isnt much of a demand on goalies and im pretty sure they would want Varlamov not Allen,i like Jake but hes nothing more then a fringe starter hes not worth your price not even close

Your two 1sts or 1st + are crazy demands for a goalie like Allen and it will never happen but i can definitely see a 2nd round pick but at that price i rather keep him unless we're 100% Price is healthy

 

[Weltschmerz]

Vegas might but I don't see any other team. Agreed there. But I do see a lot of teams calling about Allen's value contract for a 1A/1B situation. Problem is they think they can get him for a 2nd rounder. Worth the call but a quick call in the end.

Habs would not have a hard time moving Allen for a 2nd rounder. Several teams would want that value contract no doubt cause there are a lot of teams who have the 1A/1B situation. It's a clear trend in the NHL over the last few seasons.

Personally, I would not trade Allen for a 2nd rounder. Maybe at the deadline

Not sure about the timeline you are talking about. There has been interest in Allen for sure, but now most teams you listed just signed other goalies over the last few months and it is vacation time, doubt Hughes phone is getting hot because teams are calling about Allen right now. The interest will pick up again once the season starts and injuries happen or some of the new signings disappoint.

 

[Sterling Archer]

I liked Beauvilier in the past. But didn't follow him last season, so don't know what happened to him in his 24 year old season. The numbers weren't good. But he had good numbers in his 22 and 23 year old season, especially the playoffs.

If one saw a reason he had a down year lo at year AND believes he's a good player, now is the time to buy low.

The last thing Habs need is another undersized, underproducing winger. HuGo very adamant in saying and targeting the exact opposite of Beauvillier. Big, fast, skilled players with a high octane offence system. Beauvillier doesn’t fit that at all and Habs already trying to get rid of the ones they already have. Why add more and at $4.1M? Makes no sense at all.

 

[sampollock]

No team is giving a first or second for Allen.

The only way he would get a first would be for Allen to play for .935 till deadline and trade have him at 50percent to a top team

Agreed
if they got a decent propect would be something

 

[26Mats]

The last thing Habs need is another undersized, underproducing winger. HuGo very adamant in saying and targeting the exact opposite of Beauvillier. Big, fast, skilled players with a high octane offence system. Beauvillier doesn’t fit that at all and Habs already trying to get rid of the ones they already have. Why add more and at $4.1M? Makes no sense at all.

Yes, if you don't like the player it makes no sense...

True HuGo want to get bigger and faster, and are adding players accordingly. Yet, they just drafted Mesar, Roher, Guidon, Hutson, and Tourigny. I.e. half of the skaters from this last draft are 5'10 and below. It shows, while they're looking for size and speed, they're also just looking for talent, regardless of size. But if you don't think Beauvilier has talent, forget about it...

 

[HabzSauce]

I didn't say multiple teams would give a 1st though. I said multiple teams would love to add him with the cap hit he has but they likely are calling thinking they can acquire for cheap. Comprehend it better please before you use "outlandish" narratives. You don't need to put sauce on it bud

All these teams can use upgrades or a better 2nd goalie when your plan is to ride with a 1A/1B situation which has been a clear trend in the NHL... Coyotes, Sabres, Oilers, Kings, Preds, Flyers, Sharks, Caps.... and Vegas who would be more on the desperate side of things vs the other teams.

Not reluctant and you could have reviewed the NHL teams as well to find the same information when we are talking 1A/1B situations. There are many teams who will have that strategy and like I said, it's been a clear trend in the NHL. No doubt in my mind the Habs had several calls about Allen's value contract.

Ok my apologies - I misunderstood. I thought you were claiming or implying that we can get a 1st for him at TDL, which outside of Vegas I don't see any team ready to do so.

I still disagree on your team list though. ARI, BUF and SJS ain't doing anything this year - they won't need Allen. LAK still has Quick and Peterson so they're fine. NSH has Saros - a quality starter. WSH just got Kuemper and Vancek is fine as a backup. PHI has Hart and they may not even make the playoffs this year so I don't see them paying a high price to get Allen either.

So that leaves us with Vegas and EDM. All the other teams you mentioned are unrealistic IMO. I agree on EDM needing a 1B, however they just paid over the moon for Jack Campbell. Not sure how much they would pay for another goalie when they literally just got one.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Yes, if you don't like the player it makes no sense...

True HuGo want to get bigger and faster, and are adding players accordingly. Yet, they just drafted Mesar, Roher, Guidon, Hutson, and Tourigny. I.e. half of the skaters from this last draft are 5'10 and below. It shows, while they're looking for size and speed, they're also just looking for talent, regardless of size. But if you don't think Beauvilier has talent, forget about it...

That’s the thing. It’s not just his size. I’ll take Caufield all day long and Hutson. But a 30+ point player at $4.1M, not what we need. His size just doesn’t add anything to the party. If he hit like Clutterbuck etc. than you could make a case but he doesn’t. So no size, limited skill and fat salary, plus more of what we already have doesn’t do it for me and I hope doesn’t do it for HuGo either.

 

[26Mats]

That’s the thing. It’s not his size. I’ll take Caufield all day long and Hutson. But a 30+ point player at $4.1M, not what we need. His size just doesn’t add anything to the party. If he hit like Clutterbuck etc. than you could make a case but he doesn’t. So no size, limited skill and fat salary, plus more of what we already have doesn’t do it for me and I hope doesn’t do it for HuGo either.

You call him a 30 point player. But the 2 previous years he scored above a 40 point pace, and raised his game in the playoffs.

Like I said, I don't know what happened to him last year. I do know the Isles weren't a good team though.

 

[Beendair Donedat]

You call him a 30 point player. But the 2 previous years he scored above a 40 point pace, and raised his game in the playoffs.

Like I said, I don't know what happened to him last year. I do know the Isles weren't a good team though.

He's also not a 40 point player, as he's never scored 40 points, regardless of what pace he was on.

The bottom line is we don't need another small, soft, winger. We have an impressive collection of those already, and the quicker we get rid of them, the better. We also don't have the cap space to acquire him, and he's not a piece that we need to build for our future. If he cost less, and fit a need, sure. But he doesn't on either count.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Ok my apologies - I misunderstood. I thought you were claiming or implying that we can get a 1st for him at TDL, which outside of Vegas I don't see any team ready to do so.

I still disagree on your team list though. ARI, BUF and SJS ain't doing anything this year - they won't need Allen. LAK still has Quick and Peterson so they're fine. NSH has Saros - a quality starter. WSH just got Kuemper and Vancek is fine as a backup. PHI has Hart and they may not even make the playoffs this year so I don't see them paying a high price to get Allen either.

So that leaves us with Vegas and EDM. All the other teams you mentioned are unrealistic IMO. I agree on EDM needing a 1B, however they just paid over the moon for Jack Campbell. Not sure how much they would pay for another goalie when they literally just got one.

There is more than just the Knighs and Oilers that can use Allen. We don't agree on how Allen can be an upgrade in the 1A/1B situation for many teams. It's not just two teams that would have called about Allen since the last deadline. I believe in the rumors that teams are calling about him. It makes sense to me cause he is a value contract in a flat cap situation. He's got value but teams think they can acquire for cheap or a past value (pre Covid). It's not happening. Habs will not move him unless we get something offered that we can't refuse. Reality

 

[26Mats]

He's also not a 40 point player, as he's never scored 40 points, regardless of what pace he was on.

The bottom line is we don't need another small, soft, winger. We have an impressive collection of those already, and the quicker we get rid of them, the better. We also don't have the cap space to acquire him, and he's not a piece that we need to build for our future. If he cost less, and fit a need, sure. But he doesn't on either count.

Sure if he's not a 40 point+ player going forward no way you acquire him. But pace does matter. If you think he'll be healthy, then you project him to be a 40+point player based on what he's actually done.

We need size. But we also need talent, regardless of size, as HuGo know as evidenced by the Mesar pick. But if you don't think Beauvilier has talent, then forget about it.

 

[HabzSauce]

There is more than just the Knighs and Oilers that can use Allen. We don't agree on how Allen can be an upgrade in the 1A/1B situation for many teams. It's not just two teams that would have called about Allen since the last deadline. I believe in the rumors that teams are calling about him. It makes sense to me cause he is a value contract in a flat cap situation. He's got value but teams think they can acquire for cheap or a past value (pre Covid). It's not happening. Habs will not move him unless we get something offered that we can't refuse. Reality

Ok i agree with you in saying many teams may be "interested", but how interested are all those teams??

Are you really going to say that San Jose wants Allen if all they're willing to give up is a 4th?

I mentioned the Oilers and Knights because those are the only two teams I can see paying up. All the other teams that are only offering 3rds or 4ths - they aren't all that interested in my opinion. They don't count and aren't even worth talking about.

We want the teams that are "interested" aka willing to meet our price tag (at least a 2nd).... - not just kicking tires and seeing if they can get him for a 4th round pick.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Ok i agree with you in saying many teams may be "interested", but how interested are all those teams??

Are you really going to say that San Jose wants Allen if all they're willing to give up is a 4th?

I mentioned the Oilers and Knights because those are the only two teams I can see paying up. All the other teams that are only offering 3rds or 4ths - they aren't all that interested in my opinion. They don't count and aren't even worth talking about.

We want the teams that are "interested" aka willing to meet our price tag (at least a 2nd).... - not just kicking tires and seeing if they can get him for a 4th round pick.

I'm sure they are interested but not desperate. They can call us all they want and they are. But we are not giving this value 1B goalie contract away for cheap. Offer us something we can't refuse or we wait till deadline and also what Price does this year. Possible Allen is extended if Price is on LTIR for good. Time will tell.

Only team I can see being desperate is the Knights. I trust Hughes will manage it well if they call. He knows the goalie options and limited cap and how Allen is a value contract.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Oilers just signed Campbell to a 5 year 5 mill contract why are they interested in Allen?

 

[HabzSauce]

Oilers just signed Campbell to a 5 year 5 mill contract why are they interested in Allen?

Not sure if they are or not but in my opinion they should be in my opinion.

I'd feel a lot better about their goaltending situation if they had Campbell/Allen instead of Campbell/Skinner

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Not sure if they are or not but in my opinion they should be in my opinion.

I'd feel a lot better about their goaltending situation if they had Campbell/Allen instead of Campbell/Skinner

would be pretty stupid from their part to sign Campbell longterm @ 5Mill if they didnt believe he would be the #1 goalie,they can be interested in Allen for a #2 spot but they woudlnt pay much for that

Vegas is the only desperate team right now but Varlamov should be their guy

 

[Habs Halifax]

He's also not a 40 point player, as he's never scored 40 points, regardless of what pace he was on.

The bottom line is we don't need another small, soft, winger. We have an impressive collection of those already, and the quicker we get rid of them, the better. We also don't have the cap space to acquire him, and he's not a piece that we need to build for our future. If he cost less, and fit a need, sure. But he doesn't on either count.

Agreed. I don't hate Beau but not the guy I would trade for. What's the point? He's UFA in 2 more seasons and what then? We extend him for a higher cap hit?

What does Beau provide us in our rebuilding years? I would trade Beau for Hoffman though and save a little cap space but the Islanders are in the same boat we are in... they want to clear cap.

 

[Habs Halifax]

would be pretty stupid from their part to sign Campbell longterm @ 5Mill if they didnt believe he would be the #1 goalie,they can be interested in Allen for a #2 spot but they woudlnt pay much for that

Vegas is the only desperate team right now but Varlamov should be their guy

You're overlooking that many teams are heading in the 1A/1B situation. You act like they paid Campbell $5M and he is going to start 65 games for them. He's going to play 40-50 games or maybe 55 and the other goalie will have to play the rest. Do they believe in Skinner? Probably... he did well for them last season so they should trust him. However, are they set in net with no question marks? Not really.

Oilers would value adding Allen but they are not desperate for him so they won't like our price.

Vegas should be more on the desperate side yes. But why Varlamov over Allen? Allen saves them cap space and they can make another move. Looks like they can use a LW. Bet you are going to try to say Valamov is "way better" than Allen right?

 

[Captain Mountain]

Sure if he's not a 40 point+ player going forward no way you acquire him. But pace does matter. If you think he'll be healthy, then you project him to be a 40+point player based on what he's actually done.

We need size. But we also need talent, regardless of size, as HuGo know as evidenced by the Mesar pick. But if you don't think Beauvilier has talent, then forget about it.

There's a lot of sense here, but we have to be careful about pace. We're talking about a guy that produces at a lesser pace to Drouin. Beauvillier isn't the defensive liability Drouin is, but he's also a guy that will be costly (either in a trade with the Islanders or a trade to another team who will eat contracts so Montreal can acquire him, or both) and is UFA in two seasons. He doesn't really fit Montreal all that well for where they're at and where they're going. Its nice that he's French Canadian, but Montreal's too handcuffed to really make a deal for him that would make sense for both teams).

 

[HabzSauce]

would be pretty stupid from their part to sign Campbell longterm @ 5Mill if they didnt believe he would be the #1 goalie,they can be interested in Allen for a #2 spot but they woudlnt pay much for that

Vegas is the only desperate team right now but Varlamov should be their guy

Not that dumb because Allen would be dirt cheap against the cap if we retained.

Even if they signed Campbell for 8M, he ain't getting the job done himself. Oilers should learn from his time with leafs and get him a good 1B goalie to take some pressure off and help out.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

You're overlooking that many teams are heading in the 1A/1B situation. You act like they paid Campbell $5M and he is going to start 65 games for them. He's going to play 40-50 games or maybe 55 and the other goalie will have to play the rest. Do they believe in Skinner? Probably... he did well for them last season so they should trust him. However, are they set in net with no question marks? Not really.

Oilers would value adding Allen but they are not desperate for him so they won't like our price.

Vegas should be more on the desperate side yes. But why Varlamov over Allen? Allen saves them cap space and they can make another move. Looks like they can use a LW. Bet you are going to try to say Valamov is "way better" than Allen right?

Campbell is the #1 in EDM and Skinner will back him up if mid season things didnt work out maybe then they will look at Allen and why Varlamov over Jake is that a serious question?