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He's become like the Energizer bunny of crap. He just keeps going and going and........
HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #80
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Beendair Donedat
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Expos94
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Absolutely, after this coming season is over hopefully they will have another high pick plus two first rounders. Then the following year they start to battle for a playoff spot . Could take 3 years before they start to make some real noise. But it will be worth the wait
Expos94
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It doesn't need to be drastic it needs to be effective. Trading Chariot, Petry and Toffoli definitely shows they are leaning towards a rebuild more then pushing to make the playoffs
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Sterling Archer
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See this is where we disagree.
1. Chariot was traded because he was a UFA at the end of the year. Most non playoff teams trade off players they don't intend to re-sign. Also they wouldn't have had the money to re-sign him. I'll add Lehkonen and Kulak here for the same reason.
2. HuGo wanted to keep Petry. It was Petry who requested to be traded.
3. As for Toffoli, he was good for us. But from what HuGo described how they want to build the team going forward. Toffoli just didn't seem to fit in.
I will agree with you that they had no intention to try for the playoffs. If you want to say they're technically rebuilding to a small degree. I'll agree with that too. Though in this case, it seems more like they are moving out players that don't fit, or can't afford. While imputing players they believe will fit imo.
Guy Larose
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Yeah, this ^^^...they didn't sell off assets just to sell of assets like Arizona or Chicago. They even replaced Petry with a 28 year old.
Guy Larose
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There is no way to do a drastic rebuild under a flat cap when you have older players with term to move. Habs aren't going to dump young players like Chicago did. If you move the older players you are going to have to give up young players and draft picks to do it. Then you have no way to replace them.
MarioLeMoose
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But I think the point is that he’s a 32yo backup/1B on an expiring contract.
Makes no sense to hold onto him, sell him to the highest bidder by TDL.
sampollock
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ECK is drunk. no way Price is traded. that ship has sailed
CHfan1
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Agree with this. The only players 26 and older the Habs could move now for a reasonable return is Anderson, Dvorak, Allen, and Edmundson. And I think 3 of those players are moved by the 2024 trade deadline at the latest.
Contracts like Armia, Hoffman, Drouin, Gallagher, Byron are going to be tough to move without adding a sweetener and potentially retaining.
The Habs are building around a core of players that seem to fit a certain timeline, being good in 4-5 years.
I just want Hugo to be all in on this rebuild. We've had 25+ years of small patch jobs that don't work. There's no point to holding onto to anyone that has any remote value that is over 26. If Anderson can get a 1st and 2nd or a decent prospect, you take it. It's about making sure we get that top 5 pick this year and another top 10 pick next year and that's HuGo's job right now. We are still missing a couple of high end prospects. I don't expect 1sts for any of those other overpaid guys, it's more of seeing if we can even get really late round picks or waiting until their contracts expire at this point.
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You can, but it's much more difficult. As you mentioned, you're either attaching prospects/draft picks while also eating a ton of the players salary. Since HuGo has said they're not interested in doing that. It seems to me that they're going a different way. Far less aggressive route than say Chicago or Arizona.
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I can definitely see Allen dealt by the deadline. I'd be quite surprised if he's dealt now.
CHfan1
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All those players have term and Hughes can be patient until he gets a deal he likes. Also players like Dvorak, Edmundson, Anderson help to shelter players just coming into the league or still growing their game such as Dach, Slafkovsky, Guhle, and Barron. The Habs are going to be bad enough this season even without trading those players. The Habs will have a high draft pick in 2023 and probably in 2024 unless the defence and goalie situation gets a lot better quicker than I expect.
LaP
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Even if you have the money do you really want to sign Chiarot for 4,75 millions?
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Exactly. I liked Chariot when he played for us. At that price though, I wave good bye, and wish him well.
LaP
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Allen is 32. He's unlikely to be effective as a number 2 by the time we are on the winning side again. Primeau will be 24 in 2023-2024. He should be in the NHL as a number 2 no later than 2023-2024. And if we want our young players to win we should get a real number 1 soon to replace Price if he can't play anymore.
Allen is not a real number 1 despite what some here think of him. He should be traded at the deadline if he got any significant value. In fact every players who are over 26 and UFA next season should be traded at the deadline. No reason to keep any of them as there's no hard to replace players in the lot.
LaP
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I agree with guys like Savard, Edmundson or Dvorak since they all have only 2 or 3 years left to their deal. Those guys are not a problem at all and we can just keep them as vets until their contract expire. If we are still not winning when their contract expire then you flip them at the deadline.
I disagree with Anderson though. If we were winning now yeah keep him. But we are unlikely to be competitive as more than a bubble team for the next 3 years. By that time Anderson will be 31 and might be done as a top 6 and effective player. Lucic at 31 was not very good anymore (he was a 20 points player).
I'd personally try to trade Anderson now while his value as a player is still close to its max. It's a scary contract and if Anderson age like Lucic this contract will be a problem eventually and it's long enough that it could still be a problem by the time we are winning and i would not take that risk he's not good enough for that.
Steve Shutt
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Even if Price isn't ready to go I think trading Allen is a smart move. Should be some decent G's available via waivers if we need a replacement
I have no problem trading Allen – or any player – provided we get a good return. For me, a 2nd round pick (likely late round) isn't worth losing a solid backup who can step in as a starter. If a team like Vegas is willing to overpay... go for it. If it's simply to dump cap hits... not worth it. Edmonton, Toronto, Vegas, Ottawa are good teams in need of someone like Allen. His level of goaltending isn't spectacular, but it's harder to find than we think.
If Primeau or Dobes looks good, Allen becomes expendable. If a team overpays, he becomes expendable. But unless one of those things happen, we have a 32 year old proven NHL goalie who can be leaned on for another few years while our newly-rebuilt team takes its first steps.
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No new hot rumours? Where are the usual insiders at?
Since you didn’t ask, look at LeBrun’s eyes and tell me he’s not plastered out of his mind. Kudos Arpon, on the Expos merch.
Since you didn’t ask, look at LeBrun’s eyes and tell me he’s not plastered out of his mind. Kudos Arpon, on the Expos merch.
SOLR
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We have enough goaltenders to protect Primeau in the AHL until Xmas while trading Allen, after that I have no interest in protecting him. If we need Primeau and we play him, he needs to start improving in the NHL or he's not our G of the future (we need to know that).
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