HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #80

[Justin11]

I was just being facetious either way lol.

I also find it curious how much he who I shall not name, stays on people's minds still...dude is gone, let it go.

Just smile cause it happened lol

Agreed. As far as I'm concerned, there is no point in beating the dead horse, but I can also understand some people not wanting to relinquish the past.

Time to move on, and hopefully there are better days ahead for us Habs fans.

 

[salbutera]

Weren’t the Habs also in on Letang and Malkin?

These insiders are all over the map.

The only certainty we have is the Als poutine helmet.

It’s a tried & true formula NHL player agents have used for 25-years, use Quebec journalists to plant leaks and drive up contract value by creating an imaginary demand in the system…

I had heard Laraque on 91 sport say Letang was not leaving Pittsburgh pretty much from the moment the rumors started; I don’t remember much Malkin talk beyond wishful thinking.… But yeah, seems like we’ll now wait on waivers to see if Hugo add anyone.

Hughes stated publicly @ deadline presser “we won’t be pursuing players like Malkin for example”…. GMs never mention players under contract by name

 

[HABitual Fan]

I don't know how this team can become a contender without a number 1D, and I don't know how it can get one.

When they are ready, they will be positioned to get the best UFA one. As long as they keep drafting players whose floor are 3rd and 4th liners, the money saved by not paying players like Anderson, Byron, Armia and Gallagher will cover the cost of the UFA #1 defenseman. 4th liners should be earning Evans, Pizzetta and Pitlick money, not what we paid the others because we could not draft and develop our own.

 

[salbutera]

When they are ready, they will be positioned to get the best UFA one. As long as they keep drafting players whose floor are 3rd and 4th liners, the money saved by not paying players like Anderson, Byron, Armia and Gallagher will cover the cost of the UFA #1 defenseman. 4th liners should be earning Evans, Pizzetta and Pitlick money, not what we paid the others because we could not draft and develop our own.

Chara was the last 1D to ever make it to UFA that I can recall …. 16-years ago

Teams don’t let 25TOI Dman hit the open market

Having said that, thought has crossed my mind if HuGo potentially go after Seth Jones in 1-2 years (assuming he’d even waive for Mtl)…

 

[HABitual Fan]

Chara was the last 1D to ever make it to UFA that I can recall …. 16-years ago

Teams don’t let 25TOI Dman hit the open market

Fair enough, but if you have the picks and prospects, you can trade for one if none are available as UFA's

 

[Captain Mountain]

Chara was the last 1D to ever make it to UFA that I can recall …. 16-years ago

Teams don’t let 25TOI Dman hit the open market

Having said that, thought has crossed my mind if HuGo potentially go after Seth Jones in 1-2 years (assuming he’d even waive for Mtl)…

Pietrangelo - 2020.

Also, Jones is incredibly overrated and overpaid and doesn't want to play in Canada.

 

[salbutera]

Fair enough, but if you have the picks and prospects, you can trade for one if none are available as UFA's

Seth Jones is the only top pairing youngish Dman I recall being dealt (twice) - (Subban / Weber was a swap).

Pietrangelo - 2020.

Also, Jones is incredibly overrated and overpaid and doesn't want to play in Canada.

Danke

 

[blarneylad]

Pietrangelo - 2020.

Also, Jones is incredibly overrated and overpaid and doesn't want to play in Canada.

Honorable mention Dougie Hamilton 2021?

 

[Captain Mountain]

Seth Jones is the only top pairing youngish Dman I recall being dealt (twice) - (Subban / Weber was a swap).


Danke

Weber wasn't a youngish top pair D-man. But if we're talking about actual top pair caliber D-men - Weegar just got moved, Toews got moved not too long ago, Theodore was moved in the draft lottery, Trouba was a top-10 D-man when moved (and still isa top pair guy). That's off the top of my head, there's a lot of movement at D.

D-men aren't as much of a crapshoot as goaltending, but getting top guys through trade isn't that infrequent because the NHL still has a problem determining who are actually good D-men.

 

[417]

Agreed. As far as I'm concerned, there is no point in beating the dead horse, but I can also understand some people not wanting to relinquish the past.

Time to move on, and hopefully there are better days ahead for us Habs fans.

I suppose...I've never been the kind of person who dwells on things. I stopped caring about him the second they canned him.

But I certainly respect that for some, many, he's public enemy #1.

But enough about him lol

 

[Scriptor]

Dach for Dubois this summer means a large-ish "plus" on the Montreal side.
I think HuGo will take the gamble that next summer, that "plus" is much smaller because:
- Dubois is RFA again, 1 year away from UFA
- Dach "should" improve if healthy with a role that is better suited for him
Until then Dach will be cheaper for 22-23 which is kinda necessary until Drouin/Byron/Dadonov are gone.
If Dach really blossoms this season then you keep him and wait until 2024 to see if you still need Dubois.

Especially now that Dubois is signed with WIN for the year, there is too much sense behind waiting (at least until the trade deadline) for a deal involving anything for Dubois.

The advantage Montreal has is two-fold.

For starters, near year's end, WIN is well aware it will have to embark on another negotiation that would do nothing more than secure Dubois for just one more year with them. If, at this year's trade deadline WIN gets a good return as though Dubois was a rental, it wouldn't be worse than what they would get the following year, IMO. A sign and trade deal is always possible, but is also not guaranteed.

Secondly, Montreal has the benefit of one more year of development/progression for every single player on the roster and within the system. What the Habs end up offering at the trade deadline this year -- if they make an offer then -- will be more confirmed as value rather than just be speculative in value.

The added bonus is the distinct possibility that roster players bounce back from a dismal season last year. In a development model for the upcoming season, many veterans will benefit from a more open approach to playing hockey under Martin St-Louis and should improve their production, much as they had under St-Louis in the latter portion of the season last year.

Dvorak, if he keeps his production pace that he had under St-Louis, should be a much more alluring trade chip, for example. Just staying healthy and keeping the pace that he had over the entire season last year, including the horrible production under Ducharme, would give him a 16G, 32A, 48P production over an 82-game season.

His pace under St-Louis, however, would give him a 12G, 47A, 59P production, much closer to Dubois' 60-point production last year, even if that comes with less goals. Dvorak's 58% performance taking draws in the dot is also not a negligible factor.

One player is not the other, but a closer comparison with Dvorak finding his wings under St-Louis, a prospect that is coming into his own after another year under his belt and FLA's 1st round draft pick could make the deal more palatable at this year's trade deadline.

It could end up being Dvorak + Ylonen + FLA's unprotected 1st round pick in 2023? All depends on how our players produce, but an extra year to help turn things around or help players progress is in Montreal's advantage.

Not every player will be in Montreal's plans for the future, regardless of how well they produce this upcoming season.

 

[Scriptor]

There is also the fact of being surrounded by competent development people.

THIS! It's been identified that Dach isn't doing himself a service by not using his size properly as an advantage when he enters the O-zone, preferring to try and go around defensive coverage, rather than challenging it to create more lanes and options.

That can be taught and, if the student is receptive, can completely transform his game. Passing skills, vision and hockey IQ would only be put to greater use.

I'm assuming that HuGo did their homework and got a medical prognostic concerning the wrist before making a series of trades to land Dach.

Dach will definitely need to learn to shoot more often if he is going to be a force at C because a predictable, pass first C is never as effective as a WTF will he do now C.

Weren’t the Habs also in on Letang and Malkin?

These insiders are all over the map.

The only certainty we have is the Als poutine helmet.

1.5 KG of certainty! 3.3 LBS of crispy fries topped with melting cheese under some fattening gravy!

That's just too much.

 

[jellybeans]

Habs are in on every player. We never land the guy though.

Which tells me, if Dubois wants to play here get him!

Getting Dubois before he becomes UFA would be the most stupid thing the habs can do, why gives away much future for someone you could get in 2 years for free when it will be time for the Habs to really make a move up in the standings keep all our assets until then.For me personally i would avoid Dubois.

 

[blarneylad]

Getting Dubois before he becomes UFA would be the most stupid thing the habs can do, why gives away much future for someone you could get in 2 years for free when it will be time for the Habs to really make a move up in the standings keep all our assets until then.For me personally i would avoid Dubois.

Yeah, no thanks. They should not give up any assets to get him. If he goes to FA and wants to be a Hab than take a shot, otherwise, giant pass in my books.

Frankly, I don't think he has the skill or the attitude to thrive in MTL.

You guys are all so presumptuous that Dubois would even be available in two years.

I can see the guy being involved in a trade and doing exactly what Huberdeau just did.

But hey why add a top 6 player with size, fits the age profile, and actually wants to be here right? Why bother when we can cross our fingers and expect him to put his life on hold for two years to join us.

 

[Frozenice]

Chara was the last 1D to ever make it to UFA that I can recall …. 16-years ago

Teams don’t let 25TOI Dman hit the open market

Having said that, thought has crossed my mind if HuGo potentially go after Seth Jones in 1-2 years (assuming he’d even waive for Mtl)…

I’d be happy enough getting another Hamrlik.

 

[Jack Skellington]

You guys are all so presumptuous that Dubois would even be available in two years.

I can see the guy being involved in a trade and doing exactly what Huberdeau just did.

But hey why add a top 6 player with size, fits the age profile, and actually wants to be here right? Why bother when we can cross our fingers and expect him to put his life on hold for two years to join us.

He’s already quit on 2 teams in a relatively short career. I’d rather try to get him when we’re already becoming decent anyways because I have doubts he’d be willing and able to stick out the 2-3 years minimum it will take us to turn this thing around. If he actually wants to play here, he will play here. If he cares more about making the most possible amount of money in his career like Huberdeau, which is entirely his right and understandable, he’s free to do that also.

If he’s not available in 2 years, who cares? He’s a decent complementary player who is being hyped up because he’s from MTL. There will be plenty of targets to go after to fill out our roster when the time comes. He was a sub .5 ppg player last year and got to 60 this season with 4 point per game players in the top 6 with him to feed off. His playoff resume is also a bunch of nothing outside of that 10 game sample of great play including the complete no show last season.

 

[Guy Larose]

He’s already quit on 2 teams in a relatively short career. I’d rather try to get him when we’re already becoming decent anyways because I have doubts he’d be willing and able to stick out the 2-3 years minimum it will take us to turn this thing around. If he actually wants to play here, he will play here. If he cares more about making the most possible amount of money in his career like Huberdeau, which is entirely his right and understandable, he’s free to do that also.

If he’s not available in 2 years, who cares? He’s a decent complementary player who is being hyped up because he’s from MTL. There will be plenty of targets to go after to fill out our roster when the time comes. He was a sub .5 ppg player last year and got to 60 this season with 4 point per game players in the top 6 with him to feed off. His playoff resume is also a bunch of nothing outside of that 10 game sample of great play including the complete no show last season.

This narrative again...he didn't quit on WPG, he's still there. He just let them know he's not signing for more than 2 years. People have a hard time with this.

 

[Guy Larose]

Wasn't there someone in this thread that had inside information that Huberdeau wanted to be a Hab next year, but couldn't divulge the reason?

 

[MarkJ]

Well I guess he signed the contract IN Montreal so, close!

 

[Team_Spirit]

Flames are still down goalscorers wise.

Huberdeau turned Dadonov into a 30g scorer they might be interested.

We can take Lucic off their hands if they need cap. Bury him in 3R.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Flames are still down goalscorers wise.

Huberdeau turned Dadonov into a 30g scorer they might be interested.

We can take Lucic off their hands if they need cap. Bury him in 3R.

...offer Hoffman first...I'd take a year of Looch to get rid of Hoffman...

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Hopefully one emerges in next years draft. Everyone is hyper focused on Bedard, and I get it, but realistically we will be more in the 5-15 range.

I like what we have upfront, especially if we can add Dubois in free agency.

Suzuki, Caufield, Slafkovsky, Dach, Dubois, Mesar, Farrell, Roy, Heineman, Evans… we have enough pieces, and that’s not even including vets like Gallagher and Anderson.

On D we have Guhle, Mailloux, and Hutson coming in eventually, and Harris and Barron already here. I agree, we just need that stud #1. And I’m hoping we get that guy in next years draft though not sure that player has revealed himself just yet.

Lol no we wont.....

i seriously dont get the people that think will be better this year like HOW

offensively we have one good line and defensively our best defender is Eddy? Allen & Monty suck Price is one injury away from retirement and he woudlnt change nothing ne ways

Chiarot,Petry,Romanov gone that was 3 of our top 4 def....

Toffoli and Lehkonen both gone and they were important players for us


Dadonov - Suzuki - Caufield
Drouin - Dvorak - Anderson
Hoffman - Dach - Gallagher
Armia - Evans - Pitlick

Edmundson - Matheson
Harris - Savard
Wideman - Barron

Allen
Monty

This is horrible only CHI has a worst line up

 

[Runner77]

Chara was the last 1D to ever make it to UFA that I can recall …. 16-years ago

Teams don’t let 25TOI Dman hit the open market

Having said that, thought has crossed my mind if HuGo potentially go after Seth Jones in 1-2 years (assuming he’d even waive for Mtl)…

If that’s the case, we’re going to have draft that No. 1 PMD unless we get lucky in a trade.

When and how, those are the big unknowns.

 

[Kosseca]

Lol no we wont.....

i seriously dont get the people that think will be better this year like HOW

offensively we have one good line and defensively our best defender is Eddy? Allen & Monty suck Price is one injury away from retirement and he woudlnt change nothing ne ways

Chiarot,Petry,Romanov gone that was 3 of our top 4 def....

Toffoli and Lehkonen both gone and they were important players for us


Dadonov - Suzuki - Caufield
Drouin - Dvorak - Anderson
Hoffman - Dach - Gallagher
Armia - Evans - Pitlick

Edmundson - Matheson
Harris - Savard
Wideman - Barron

Allen
Monty

This is horrible only CHI has a worst line up

the roster is one thing, the coaching is another one. While I do not believe that this line up can play better then the team played under MSL, they should do better then under DD... so that in it self will mean more pts at the end of the season.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

If that’s the case, we’re going to have draft that No. 1 PMD unless we get lucky in a trade.

When and how, those are the big unknowns.

...I wouldn't give up hope on developing one just yet...we have a few prospects with high offensive ceilings; hitting on one or two isn't out of the question...