HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #80

[HuGort]

Alex Semin was a reclamation project.
21 year olds aren't reclamation projects. Dach's a young kid still under development. He's the same age as Caufield. Development is never fluid and there will be ups and downs. Very tall players often take longer.

What did you think of Dach at his draft?

 

[Schooner Guy]

What did you think of Dach at his draft?

In 2019? I knew we weren't getting him at #15. He had a lot of momentum heading into that draft.

 

[dinodebino]

Subban's hockey career...

That’s a crazy gif!

 

[Scriptor]

Lol no we wont.....

i seriously dont get the people that think will be better this year like HOW

offensively we have one good line and defensively our best defender is Eddy? Allen & Monty suck Price is one injury away from retirement and he woudlnt change nothing ne ways

Chiarot,Petry,Romanov gone that was 3 of our top 4 def....

Toffoli and Lehkonen both gone and they were important players for us


Dadonov - Suzuki - Caufield
Drouin - Dvorak - Anderson
Hoffman - Dach - Gallagher
Armia - Evans - Pitlick

Edmundson - Matheson
Harris - Savard
Wideman - Barron

Allen
Monty

This is horrible only CHI has a worst line up

You're right. That is horrible, but those are your lines, so, maybe if someone with a better idea how to ice a hockey team gets a stab at drafting the lineup, they will be better up front.

That said, you're right, the D will be inexperienced and a HUGE question mark.

We won't even get into the G situation....

 

[HuGort]

In 2019? I knew we weren't getting him at #15. He had a lot of momentum heading into that draft.

I thought Dach was over rated heading into his draft. I seen him as playmaker, not a goal scorer. That high in draft I value goal scorer much higher. I had Zegras ahead of him. Big but not physical.

But hoping he excels under Marty

 

[Scriptor]

I thought Dach was over rated heading into his draft. I seen him as playmaker, not a goal scorer. That high in draft I value goal scorer much higher. I had Zegras ahead of him. Big but not physical.

But hoping he excels under Marty

We'll see how St-Louis and Nicholas help Dach reinvent himself.

I'm pretty sure they've already identified what Dach needs to work on. We'll see just how badly he wants to improve and how much effort he's willing to put into it.

You never know what they are willing to go through when, as a 3rd OA pick, they've already earned 2.775M and are about to lay ink to a 2-yr bridge contract likely in the mid 2M range for another 5M.

If, at 23, you've already earned 7.775M, do you think what you've been doing so far is all that bad?

To change at this point would mean a real desire to be the best he can be.

Hopefully for the Habs, this is what happens.

 

[Habs Icing]

Having watched the Hlinka-Gretsky tournament, all I can say is Hugo should be getting a few more 2023 1st round picks. This upcoming draft is going to be stacked. This tourny is missing a boat load of talented kids and it still impresses. I know other GMs see the same thing I see but it's worth a shot.

 

[Justsayin]

We'll see how St-Louis and Nicholas help Dach reinvent himself.

I'm pretty sure they've already identified what Dach needs to work on. We'll see just how badly he wants to improve and how much effort he's willing to put into it.

You never know what they are willing to go through when, as a 3rd OA pick, they've already earned 2.775M and are about to lay ink to a 2-yr bridge contract likely in the mid 2M range for another 5M.

If, at 23, you've already earned 7.775M, do you think what you've been doing so far is all that bad?

To change at this point would mean a real desire to be the best he can be.

Hopefully for the Habs, this is what happens.

After all the effort and pain it must take to get to the NHL, let alone be a 3OA, I just can't honestly believe that players stop trying when they get there. I suppose some of them do, but that has to be the rare exception. I will presume Dach is not in that category unless shown otherwise.

 

[Team_Spirit]

We'll see how St-Louis and Nicholas help Dach reinvent himself.

I'm pretty sure they've already identified what Dach needs to work on. We'll see just how badly he wants to improve and how much effort he's willing to put into it.

You never know what they are willing to go through when, as a 3rd OA pick, they've already earned 2.775M and are about to lay ink to a 2-yr bridge contract likely in the mid 2M range for another 5M.

If, at 23, you've already earned 7.775M, do you think what you've been doing so far is all that bad?

Suzuki is coming off his ELC and will bank in 10M this year.

Dach is coming off his ELC and he will be lucky to get 2.5M

He is 2 years younger so he will be gunning for the big bucks no doubt about it. These 2 guys are quite the poster boys for the rushing players dilemma.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Having watched the Hlinka-Gretsky tournament, all I can say is Hugo should be getting a few more 2023 1st round picks. This upcoming draft is going to be stacked. This tourny is missing a boat load of talented kids and it still impresses. I know other GMs see the same thing I see but it's worth a shot.

Getting any pick in the 1st round should yield a good player. But teams at the top of the standings at the trade deadline should be willing to move theirs for a missing piece like Dvorak or Anderson.

 

[SwiftyHab]

Getting any pick in the 1st round should yield a good player. But teams at the top of the standings at the trade deadline should be willing to move theirs for a missing piece like Dvorak or Anderson.

Which makes me wonder who we could trade away to get that 3rd 1st rounder. We’d also need a trade partner that is willing to sacrifice that cost this year.

 

[DAChampion]

Having watched the Hlinka-Gretsky tournament, all I can say is Hugo should be getting a few more 2023 1st round picks. This upcoming draft is going to be stacked. This tourny is missing a boat load of talented kids and it still impresses. I know other GMs see the same thing I see but it's worth a shot.

It's hard to see Hughes acquiring multiple first round picks.

First, Chicago among possibly others will be flooding the market with rentals like Max Domi, plus Patrick Kane will be the best prize available.

Second, I don't see who the Habs' will have of value at the deadline other than possibly Dvorak. Edmundson and Anderson should stay to balance the roster. Played like Drouin, Hoffman, Allen, Byron, etc will be worth a second rounder at most.

So at best the Habs acquire one more 1st, unless they're also willing to swap futures or maybe trade two seconds and a third for a first.

 

[Schooner Guy]

Having watched the Hlinka-Gretsky tournament, all I can say is Hugo should be getting a few more 2023 1st round picks. This upcoming draft is going to be stacked. This tourny is missing a boat load of talented kids and it still impresses. I know other GMs see the same thing I see but it's worth a shot.

Even 2nd rounders are going to be very valuable in this draft. A lot can change but at this point the draft appears to be so deep that you can't squeeze in all the 1st-round calibre prospects into the first 32 picks. They'll be overflowing into the 2nd.

 

[DAChampion]

Which makes me wonder who we could trade away to get that 3rd 1st rounder. We’d also need a trade partner that is willing to sacrifice that cost this year.

I think that Dvorak is the only player with a good shot of yielding that.

They could also pump Hoffman's trade value by playing him on Suzuki's wing, but that will come at the cost of developing the future core.

 

[SwiftyHab]

Getting any pick in the 1st round should yield a good player. But teams at the top of the standings at the trade deadline should be willing to move theirs for a missing piece like Dvorak or Anderson.

Which makes me wonder who we could trade away to get that 3rd 1st rounder. We’d also need a trade partner that is willing to sacrifice that cost this year.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

...if given enough Top 6 time this season, Dads should net us a late first at the deadline, imo...

 

[SwiftyHab]

...if given enough Top 6 time this season, Dads should net us a late first at the deadline, imo...

Kinda seems like Ottawa and Vegas couldn’t give him away fast enough. Maybe if he out performs and we cover 50%

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

I think that Dvorak is the only player with a good shot of yielding that.

They could also pump Hoffman's trade value by playing him on Suzuki's wing, but that will come at the cost of developing the future core.

Yes. The only player I could see is Dvorak. Hopefully someone needs a centre and there are few centres available. If Anderson was moved it should be for more than a 1st or in bigger trade.

...if given enough Top 6 time this season, Dads should net us a late first at the deadline, imo...

Damn. I forgot about Dadonov. With a big retain he should be worth a 1st even if a few lower picks have to be thrown in.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

For everyone saying Dach had 33 points etc etc etc. Caufield had 1 goal until MSL took over. The coach, your role and how you’re used makes a massive difference. From everything I’ve read, Dach wasn’t used properly at all and if he’s going to thrive anywhere, it’ll be here with a young team, offensive minded coach playing in a system he’ll excel in.

You never know but I think the change will do him good and he’ll surprise a lot of people.

Dach could be a better version of Lars Eller in 2 years. If better than Lars, that's even better.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Kinda seems like Ottawa and Vegas couldn’t give him away fast enough. Maybe if he out performs and we cover 50%

...had a shyte year in Ottawa, but the Vegas move was a purely Cap move and he performed admirably there...

Yes. The only player I could see is Dvorak. Hopefully someone needs a centre and there are few centres available. If Anderson was moved it should be for more than a 1st or in bigger trade.


Damn. I forgot about Dadonov. With a big retain he should be worth a 1st even if a few lower picks have to be thrown in.

...if Dach performs to anywhere close to his potential, Dads & Dvorak should be moved and there are always suitors who need a scoring winger and a middle six C for Playoff runs...again, I hope we lose every damn game 7-5 this season and Dads, Dvorak, Hoff, Armia, and Floaty have career years offensively...and then we dump 'em all for picks & prospects...

 

[Runner77]

...if given enough Top 6 time this season, Dads should net us a late first at the deadline, imo...

In lesser draft years, you’d probably be right. Maybe if we catch a desperado team at the trading deadline.

 

[CHfan1]

What does Edmundson bring back if the Habs trade him at the deadline, 1 year left after this at $3.5 million.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

What does Edmundson bring back if the Habs trade him at the deadline, 1 year left after this at $3.5 million.

...pain...cuz he's our only real Top 4 Dman that can defend...however, he'd be a pretty hot commodity, imo, if HuGo does decide to move him at the Deadline...personally, I'd wait until next year to move him...

 

[CHfan1]

...pain...cuz he's our only real Top 4 Dman that can defend...however, he'd be a pretty hot commodity, imo, if HuGo does decide to move him at the Deadline...personally, I'd wait until next year to move him...

I can understand Hughes waiting till next season to move him for the exact reason you stated, but he’s one of the few Habs with value that I think will be traded in the next couple of seasons.

 

[SwiftyHab]

...had a shyte year in Ottawa, but the Vegas move was a purely Cap move and he performed admirably there...

...if Dach performs to anywhere close to his potential, Dads & Dvorak should be moved and there are always suitors who need a scoring winger and a middle six C for Playoff runs...again, I hope we lose every damn game 7-5 this season and Dads, Dvorak, Hoff, Armia, and Floaty have career years offensively...and then we dump 'em all for picks & prospects...

Amazing scenario. To make it better, I hope the only games we win are against a terrible Florida team giving us the first two spots in the lottery