HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #80

[EXPOS123]

Lol no we wont.....

i seriously dont get the people that think will be better this year like HOW

offensively we have one good line and defensively our best defender is Eddy? Allen & Monty suck Price is one injury away from retirement and he woudlnt change nothing ne ways

Chiarot,Petry,Romanov gone that was 3 of our top 4 def....

Toffoli and Lehkonen both gone and they were important players for us


Dadonov - Suzuki - Caufield
Drouin - Dvorak - Anderson
Hoffman - Dach - Gallagher
Armia - Evans - Pitlick

Edmundson - Matheson
Harris - Savard
Wideman - Barron

Allen
Monty

This is horrible only CHI has a worst line up

And what if Suzuki has a down year and/or Caulfield has a sophomore slump? (which is a very real thing)

You’re looking at epic level bad.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

the roster is one thing, the coaching is another one. While I do not believe that this line up can play better then the team played under MSL, they should do better then under DD... so that in it self will mean more pts at the end of the season.

we had a little boost when MSL was first hired but we went right back to losing after the deadline so no St Louis wont make a difference

 

[Wats]

And what if Suzuki has a down year and/or Caulfield has a sophomore slump? (which is a very real thing)

You’re looking at epic proportion level bad.

Habs in very good position to compete for top 5 pick if this lineup remains. Hopefully Slaf/Guhle/Barron/etc don't have to be on the roster and face this losing.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

And what if Suzuki has a down year and/or Caulfield has a sophomore slump? (which is a very real thing)

You’re looking at epic proportion level bad.

obviously Suzuki and Caufield will have better years but whats ur point you think they will be able to carry the habs to where exactly with no quaterback in the back and a horrible def/goalie

every team will have their best players against the suzuki/caufield line too

this team is 100% a bottom 5 team

 

[Runner77]

...I wouldn't give up hope on developing one just yet...we have a few prospects with high offensive ceilings; hitting on one or two isn't out of the question...

Only one I can think of who has that kind of offensive upside and IQ is Hutson.

However ... we're navigating in "uncharted" waters.

 

[le_sean]

obviously Suzuki and Caufield will have better years but whats ur point you think they will be able to carry the habs to where exactly with no quaterback in the back and a horrible def/goalie

every team will have their best players against the suzuki/caufield line too

this team is 100% a bottom 5 team

We also had a lot of injuries and were putting out average AHL talent a lot of nights. If healthy, I see the Habs possibly being more in the bottom 5-10 range rather than easily bottom 5. I mean the addition of Matheson over Petry alone is a big improvement if we consider that the Petry of the first 60 games of the season was one of the worst defenceman in the NHL.

 

[Runner77]

Wasn't there someone in this thread that had inside information that Huberdeau wanted to be a Hab next year, but couldn't divulge the reason?

It was from @A Loyal Dog.

On July 23rd, he wrote a series of posts about a solid source he said he had:

I also know something that I cannot divulge (only with admins/mods, as long as it remains hush-hush and never publicized - it could get several people in a LOT of trouble) which makes me more convinced he'd be down to sign in Montreal.

...

This time, this "scoop" isn't coming from a friend. It's coming directly from something I absolutely know is true. Again, I wouldn't mind sharing it with a mod/admin as long as they keep it completely quiet, as it could bring big trouble to some very close people. I'd have them sign an NDA, pretty much.

...

I don't care what you choose to believe, to be honest. The fact I'm willing to divulge information I really shouldn't to only certain people to prove I'm not just throwing "fake" stuff should be enough to tell you I'm not bluffing on this one.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Only one I can think of who has that kind of offensive upside and IQ is Hutson.

However ... we're navigating in "uncharted" waters.

...don't give up hope on Mailloux just yet...he's got all the offensive tools and the size to be a force...

 

[Runner77]

...don't give up hope on Mailloux just yet...he's got all the offensive tools and the size to be a force...

Does Mailloux really have that big an offensive game? I thought he projected as a 2nd pairing guy.

 

[le_sean]

Does Mailloux really have that big an offensive game? I thought he projected as a 2nd pairing guy.

No one knows. He’s played like 9 games in the last year. And before that he played in a league where no one watched him.

 

[Jack Skellington]

This narrative again...he didn't quit on WPG, he's still there. He just let them know he's not signing for more than 2 years. People have a hard time with this.

He and his agent made it public, whether you think it was on purpose or not. I believe it clearly was. It strips his team of any leverage or bargaining power. He very likely will be gone within the season for a less than expected return or leave for free at 26 years old, depending on how stubborn WPG is. Call it whatever you want, he's likely to look for a way out here as well whenever it's not going well.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Does Mailloux really have that big an offensive game? I thought he projected as a 2nd pairing guy.

...Mailloux has missed soo much of his development time that it's hard to say...he seems to have big offensive tools in his game and he has the size to be a puck-moving force, but he's also lost a significant portion of time the last while, so this year is going to be a HUGE one for him to showcase what he has...I'm hopeful that he can succeed and reach his potential...

 

[HomeAndHome]

I don't know how this team can become a contender without a number 1D, and I don't know how it can get one.

Agreed. A #1 D seems to be the most important player on cup winning teams. 25+ minutes a game in all situations taking on the other teams best players. Following that IMO would be 1st line and 2nd line centers and a semi consistent goalie.

The top of the next draft looks incredibly forward heavy, but maybe a defensemen can break out over this next season. Habs pick in the 5-10 range and we could come away with a top pair potential D.

Finding a true #1 D on FA is not something that will happen. So the only other option would be one of the prospects takes a crazy development leap or a trade. I'm hopeful a number of our current prospects will be really good NHLers to use as currency if a trade needs to be made.

Yup - I’ve come to learn the most important position for any Cup winner is that 1D.

Canes are the only team I can think of since the cap was implemented that won the Cup without a clear cut 1D - that was year 1 of cap implementation!!

I'm being picky here lol but Pittsburgh won in 2017 with Schultz, Dumoulin, Cole, Maata, and Hainsey as their top D. But that's more because they had two insane players... Sid and Geno.

Since I doubt we'll have multiple game changers on the team like those two the Habs will likely need to have that defensive workhorse.

 

[Runner77]

...Mailloux has missed soo much of his development time that it's hard to say...he seems to have big offensive tools in his game and he has the size to be a puck-moving force, but he's also lost a significant portion of time the last while, so this year is going to be a HUGE one for him to showcase what he has...I'm hopeful that he can succeed and reach his potential...

If it's hard to say, then it's really a gamble.

At least with Hutson, there is no doubt that he has the ability to quarterback a PP and has impressive IQ. Of course, he's undersized but what if he has a growth spurt. I feel that Hutson has a better chance of realizing his potential only because he's had a chance to display his skills.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

If it's hard to say, then it's really a gamble.

At least with Hutson, there is no doubt that he has the ability to quarterback a PP and has impressive IQ. Of course, he's undersized but what if he has a growth spurt. I feel that Hutson has a better chance of realizing hi psotential only because he's had a chance to display his skills.

...oh, it's absolutely on Mailloux this season to showcase himself hardcore and I'm also a fan of Hutson's ceiling (just wish he'd actually GROW closer to the ceiling)...

 

[Miller Time]

I don't know how this team can become a contender without a number 1D, and I don't know how it can get one.

Guhle, Barron and possibly Harris or Mailloux could bloom into that.

Need 3-5 yrs, maybe more, to find out.

Weber hit his stride in D4 season, a guy like Giordano didn't get there until his 7th pro season.

Even Hedman, a #1 overall, wasn't an impact top pairing caliber player until D5 season...

If one or more of our d prospects isn't trending that way by 24-25 season, then it would have to be via trade, but for now there's decent reason to be optimistic at least one of them does.

 

[Miller Time]

We also had a lot of injuries and were putting out average AHL talent a lot of nights. If healthy, I see the Habs possibly being more in the bottom 5-10 range rather than easily bottom 5. I mean the addition of Matheson over Petry alone is a big improvement if we consider that the Petry of the first 60 games of the season was one of the worst defenceman in the NHL.

This.
And Edmundson is back, healthy.

And Anderson, Dvorak, Drouin, Gally, Armia and Hoffman all played well below expectations... Hard to imagine all of them following up with another did year, especially with a long offseason and much improved coaching situation.

And we added Dadonov.

And Evans, Suzuki, Caufield, Pitlick, Barron & Harris should all be solid bets to match or improve on last season (the whole, not necessarily the late season bump).

Finishing bottom 5 likely means another worst-case season... Odds of that are pretty slim.

5-12 seems more likely, maybe even bubble playoff team or better if we have the opposite (a season like MB/MT's first, where key rookies play above expectations, young players take big strides, ufa signings exceed expectations, injured vets return healthy & we lead the league fewest games list to injury)

 

[HuGo Sham]

It was from @A Loyal Dog.

On July 23rd, he wrote a series of posts about a solid source he said he had:

I also know something that I cannot divulge (only with admins/mods, as long as it remains hush-hush and never publicized - it could get several people in a LOT of trouble) which makes me more convinced he'd be down to sign in Montreal.

...

This time, this "scoop" isn't coming from a friend. It's coming directly from something I absolutely know is true. Again, I wouldn't mind sharing it with a mod/admin as long as they keep it completely quiet, as it could bring big trouble to some very close people. I'd have them sign an NDA, pretty much.

...

I don't care what you choose to believe, to be honest. The fact I'm willing to divulge information I really shouldn't to only certain people to prove I'm not just throwing "fake" stuff should be enough to tell you I'm not bluffing on this one.

yeaaaa, rumours, no doubt. Whether this is legit or not, what's also legit is that shit happens and Hughes wasn't going to give him that contract ever. period.
It's great that tavares wanted to go home for instance, but he also signed a radioactive contract that has hamstrung the leafs for years.

Huby-doo has said he wanted to play here on numerous occasions but fantasy and reality rarely intersect - especially when age, money and term are involved lol

 

[jellybeans]

You guys are all so presumptuous that Dubois would even be available in two years.

I can see the guy being involved in a trade and doing exactly what Huberdeau just did.

But hey why add a top 6 player with size, fits the age profile, and actually wants to be here right? Why bother when we can cross our fingers and expect him to put his life on hold for two years to join us.

If his not oh well next.

 

[Sterling Archer]

It was from @A Loyal Dog.

On July 23rd, he wrote a series of posts about a solid source he said he had:

I also know something that I cannot divulge (only with admins/mods, as long as it remains hush-hush and never publicized - it could get several people in a LOT of trouble) which makes me more convinced he'd be down to sign in Montreal.

...

This time, this "scoop" isn't coming from a friend. It's coming directly from something I absolutely know is true. Again, I wouldn't mind sharing it with a mod/admin as long as they keep it completely quiet, as it could bring big trouble to some very close people. I'd have them sign an NDA, pretty much.

...

I don't care what you choose to believe, to be honest. The fact I'm willing to divulge information I really shouldn't to only certain people to prove I'm not just throwing "fake" stuff should be enough to tell you I'm not bluffing on this one.

Huberdeau got a career contract. No one would turn down that offer.

If the situation had been different and Calagary didn’t max out an offer, I’m sure he thought it would’ve nice been to play for Habs. But c’mon, no one is turning that down.

Does Mailloux really have that big an offensive game? I thought he projected as a 2nd pairing guy.

Yes he does. His offensive is the best part of the game. Huge shot, opens lanes and can skate like the wind. In the few games I saw him play last year for London, he looked like a suped up Pietrangelo out there. Really impressive. He commanded the ice.

 

[Miller Time]

the Huberdeau thing is so weird... why is anyone surprised that he took the massive payday? Only flames could give him 8 years, and at 10.5M per, that's $10.5M "more" than anyone else could offer.

plus, to find out what other teams would offer, and if next summer a team would offer enough of a bump as to make up the extra year he'd have left on the table, he'd have to run the risk of a full season without injury and matching or exceeding his career year.

plus the bonus structure they gave him, making it crystal clear of their commitment to him.

He'd have been crazy to turn that down, regardless of the market or any desire he had to play in Quebec/closer to family.

totally different than Gaudreau taking a year less to relocate to the US as a UFA. I bet he is still a flame if they had made him this kind of offer a year ago, while he was still under contract and facing the uncertainty of playing through a season without any security beyond that.

 

[Runner77]

Huberdeau got a career contract. No one would turn down that offer.

If the situation had been different and Calagary didn’t max out an offer, I’m sure he thought it would’ve nice been to play for Habs. But c’mon, no one is turning that down.

Yes he does. His offensive is the best part of the game. Huge shot, opens lanes and can skate like the wind. In the few games I saw him play last year for London, he looked like a super up Pietrangelo out there. Really impressive. He commanded the ice.

I’m not doubting the poster who claimed to have insider knowledge since a lot can happen between that and the best of intents. I totally agree, that was way too much money, on too favourable terms to turn down.

Had no idea Mailloux had that kind of upside. Maybe he’s the shining light that Bergevin inadvertently left behind (blind squirrel finds nuts in a broken clock) in the midst of a truly craptastic contractual fallout.

 

[Le Tricolore]

It was from @A Loyal Dog.

On July 23rd, he wrote a series of posts about a solid source he said he had:

I also know something that I cannot divulge (only with admins/mods, as long as it remains hush-hush and never publicized - it could get several people in a LOT of trouble) which makes me more convinced he'd be down to sign in Montreal.

...

This time, this "scoop" isn't coming from a friend. It's coming directly from something I absolutely know is true. Again, I wouldn't mind sharing it with a mod/admin as long as they keep it completely quiet, as it could bring big trouble to some very close people. I'd have them sign an NDA, pretty much.

...

I don't care what you choose to believe, to be honest. The fact I'm willing to divulge information I really shouldn't to only certain people to prove I'm not just throwing "fake" stuff should be enough to tell you I'm not bluffing on this one.

Look, if he wants to send me a DM explaining how Huberdeau will sign with the Habs next year, I'd love to know.

 

[Sterling Archer]

I’m not doubting the poster who claimed to have insider knowledge since a lot can happen between that and the best of intents. I totally agree, that was way too much money, on too favourable terms to turn down.

Had no idea Mailloux had that kind of upside. Maybe he’s the shining light that Bergevin inadvertently left behind (blind squirrel finds nuts in a broken clock) in the midst of a truly craptastic contractual fallout.

He really does. In the games I watched, (small sample) he was genuinely amazing. You noticed him every time he was on the ice and for the right reasons. Just commanded the ice.

My biggest concern is his lack of playing time and how that could stunt his development. I’ve seen junior players dominating many times but doesn’t translate in the NHL for multiple reasons. Hope he can pick it up next year in the O and spend at least 2 years or more in Laval until he can truly be dominant. Nice part about him is that he’ll fly under the radar so there’ll be no rush to bring him up unless hes dominating in Laval.

Hope he can continue to develop as he has a ton of potential.

 

[Twisted Sinister]

Yes he does. His offensive is the best part of the game. Huge shot, opens lanes and can skate like the wind. In the few games I saw him play last year for London, he looked like a suped up Pietrangelo out there. Really impressive. He commanded the ice.

To add, his defense is actually where he needs some work.

This might be hyperbole, but I've heard some say that the kid has the hardest shot on the planet basically. I really hope he develops. Might not be complete enough to be a number one, however.