HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #80

[Habs Halifax]

How's his overall IQ in your opinion?

Haven't seen enough to know that area yet.

...and herein lies the issue with the Dubois interest...no one is even considering how much Chevy is going to want for a CORE piece of his team...if the price was as low as Florida's 1st, Dvorak, and Kidney, PLD would have already been a Hab at the Draft and Chevy would have probably been relieved of his post...Winnipeg will want at least one CORE future back...Chevy knows he has two years to maximize the return for PLD and isn't going to just give him away for pennies on the dollar right now or at the deadline or next offseason or whenever...it's going to cost to acquire him and the Habs atm are not in the position to let any CORE piece(s) go when HuGo too can play the waiting game and see if they can whittle that price down while other GMs weigh the Pros & Cons of acquiring PLD and possibly just having him walk in two years...patience is the Virtue that seems to be severely lacking on this Board this offseason, which is rather surprising considering that we are still atm a Bottom Feeder and much more in for the Discard for Bedard than we are making a Playoff run...

Flawed context again. We know their asking price but we are not offering it. So you can drop the "no one is considering Chevy's asking price". We are aware.

It's a Trouba offer due to leverage. Chevy can try to get his max value all day long. If he gets it with another team, go right ahead. Good luck

 

[smirob]

I don't understand the Dach rumours. WPG had the pieces to make the same or better offer at the draft if they wanted Dach....

I would 100% include Dach in a PLD trade, Dach has more of a chance of busting than PLD imo

 

[Habs Halifax]

Apples to oranges? You keep bringing up Evans who is a 4th line forward 5 years older than Dach. Evans was still in college at 21. This is not a moron MB trade. I trust HuGo have correctly evaluated his potential

Evans is just not some 4th liner. He's developed well and is on a solid track to be a very good 3C. Dach has a higher ceiling yes and I'm assuming MSL gives him more ice time over Evans but we are likely looking at 15 min vs 18 min a game difference to start the season and we go from there.

Evans won't play PP but he will play PK. Dach likely is not playing PK but will get PP time.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I don't understand the Dach rumours. WPG had the pieces to make the same or better offer at the draft if they wanted Dach....

I would 100% include Dach in a PLD trade, Dach has more of a chance of busting than PLD imo

My gut tells me the Habs and Jets talked a fair amount but in the end, they decided to circle back later. Dubois now has his one year deal with one more RFA year left and he can't be part of a sign/trade until Jan+ now. I kind of like this cause we will know way more information from now till then.

* What does Dubois do this season after the distraction this summer on trade rummers and his interest in playing for the Habs one day.

* What does centers like Dvorak and Dach do this year for the Habs? Dvorak was a 0.77 pts/game center with MSL.

* What does the Panthers do and how is their pick tracking?

* What does the Habs prospects do? Someone like Kidney or Struble could be targeted by the Jets.

All I know is I'm only interested if it's a sign/trade and we know what his next deal looks like. And also if it's a Trouba trade value

 

[smirob]

My gut tells me the Habs and Jets talked a fair amount but in the end, they decided to circle back later. Dubois now has his one year deal with one more RFA year left and he can't be part of a sign/trade until Jan+ now. I kind of like this cause we will know way more information from now till then.

* What does Dubois do this season after the distraction this summer on trade rummers and his interest in playing for the Habs one day.

* What does centers like Dvorak and Dach do this year for the Habs? Dvorak was a 0.77 pts/game center with MSL.

* What does the Panthers do and how is their pick tracking?

* What does the Habs prospects do? Someone like Kidney or Struble could be targeted by the Jets.

All I know is I'm only interested if it's a sign/trade and we know what his next deal looks like. And also if it's a Trouba trade value

Agree with you on this,

The hope is some of our 'lesser' prospects thrive this year and we can move some pieces where we have an abundance (LHD) while not moving Guhle/Caufield/Suzuki/Slaf

Dach's FO % worries me a bit - but I'm content to wait and see how he does under MSL.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Agree with you on this,

The hope is some of our 'lesser' prospects thrive this year and we can move some pieces where we have an abundance (LHD) while not moving Guhle/Caufield/Suzuki/Slaf

Dach's FO % worries me a bit - but I'm content to wait and see how he does under MSL.

I think 99% of our fans and Hughes is not trading pices like Guhle, Caufield, Suzuki, Slaf. So the Jets can keep asking all they want but it's not happening. The other angle is what other GM offers that knowing Dubois clearly wants to play for the Habs one day? Maybe another GM offers something of value but will insist on a sign/trade where they get him locked up for 6+ years. Will Dubois sign 6+ years with someone other team and think about playing for the Habs after that? Possible. Habs are interested but not desperate so if there is a fit, we will engage but if the price is too high, we likely pass. It's a Trouba narrative (20th pick and Pionk)

Dach can have a year of struggle or he can take a step forward. I'm not willing to dwell on a bad or good season at this point. I'm going to leave him in the hands of MSL to get the best of out of him. We will see how he looks come 2023

 

[Jack Skellington]

Yep, slowly getting here regarding HFHabs too. I screw around here a bit while I'm at work and largely avoid it when I'm off but even that's getting lame now. People can't think of anything beyond losing as many games as possible. Can't discuss a single thing rationally without reverting back to it. Truly broken.

There's a difference between trying to lose and trading futures for some loser that has given up on two teams and isn't even that great anyways. We have all the leverage in the world so if they want to get something out of him before he leaves it's up to them to bring their price down. Dubois is not a player you gut your team to acquire but he's someone who I would take if he wants to come sign here on a nice deal.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

We don't need Dubois at all with his attitude, imagine when the media comes after him in any negative way i bet he'll want out again

He must know this. If he doesn't know it, his family and his agent would tell him. Let's say he knows it, if he said he wants to come here, he must be strong enough between his ears.

 

[Habs Halifax]

We don't need Dubois at all with his attitude, imagine when the media comes after him in any negative way i bet he'll want out again

What we don't need is fans trying to block Dubois from coming to Montreal.

 

[Habs Icing]

Syphilis!?

Why would you even bring that up?

I knew someone would try that old joke.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

There's a difference between trying to lose and trading futures for some loser that has given up on two teams and isn't even that great anyways. We have all the leverage in the world so if they want to get something out of him before he leaves it's up to them to bring their price down. Dubois is not a player you gut your team to acquire but he's someone who I would take if he wants to come sign here on a nice deal.

Why would you even want him for free if he's such a loser who isn't even that great? You make zero sense. You'd want such a loser playing in such a key position of your top-6? Why?

 

[Habs Halifax]

There's a difference between trying to lose and trading futures for some loser that has given up on two teams and isn't even that great anyways. We have all the leverage in the world so if they want to get something out of him before he leaves it's up to them to bring their price down. Dubois is not a player you gut your team to acquire but he's someone who I would take if he wants to come sign here on a nice deal.

Dubois is not a loser. We are not going to gut our franchise to trade for him either. The context you are providing has many flaws in it.

No Habs fan or Hughes is going as deep in a trade like you are presenting so not sure where that is coming from.

 

[DiglettDangles]

Dach for Dubois this summer means a large-ish "plus" on the Montreal side.
I think HuGo will take the gamble that next summer, that "plus" is much smaller because:
- Dubois is RFA again, 1 year away from UFA
- Dach "should" improve if healthy with a role that is better suited for him
Until then Dach will be cheaper for 22-23 which is kinda necessary until Drouin/Byron/Dadonov are gone.
If Dach really blossoms this season then you keep him and wait until 2024 to see if you still need Dubois.

 

[BLONG7]

Dach for Dubois this summer means a large-ish "plus" on the Montreal side.
I think HuGo will take the gamble that next summer, that "plus" is much smaller because:
- Dubois is RFA again, 1 year away from UFA
- Dach "should" improve if healthy with a role that is better suited for him
Until then Dach will be cheaper for 22-23 which is kinda necessary until Drouin/Byron/Dadonov are gone.
If Dach really blossoms this season then you keep him and wait until 2024 to see if you still need Dubois.

There is something really interesting about Dach, I just think this kid is going to take off with the habs!

 

[sampollock]

Sure that is why PLD was at the draft.
Big trade that did not work

 

[habsfan44]

So you think dach will be as good as Dubois ?
His injury history will magically disappear ?
His face off% will improve to the point it’s not atrocious?
And most of all you think he will put score Dubois ?
This is the kotkaniemi argument all over again

Nah , it's just you making assumptions and presenting them as facts .

 

[Habs Icing]

There is something really interesting about Dach, I just think this kid is going to take off with the habs!

You figure he switched to Red Bull?

 

[habsfan44]

Whatever you say pal
Let me know when dach hits 61 pts at Age 22 like Dubois did
Dach will be 22 this season, if he hits 61 pts I’ll bow down to you and call you’re highnesses
It’s not happening


Whatever you say pal
Let me know when dach hits 61 pts at Age 22 like Dubois did
Dach will be 22 this season, if he hits 61 pts I’ll bow down to you and call you’re highnesses
It’s not happening

I'm not the one pretending to know the future that's you , I prefer the wait and see approach .

 

[Team_Spirit]

Major red flag with PLD is he had Connor on his wing all year. Doubt he can hit 60pts with whoever we have on the 2nd line.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Evans is just not some 4th liner. He's developed well and is on a solid track to be a very good 3C. Dach has a higher ceiling yes and I'm assuming MSL gives him more ice time over Evans but we are likely looking at 15 min vs 18 min a game difference to start the season and we go from there.

Evans won't play PP but he will play PK. Dach likely is not playing PK but will get PP time.

Agreed but my main point is that Evans is 5 years older. And was in college until he was 22. Dach is 21. Comparisons are useless. Evans is 26. He isn't getting much better. Maybe 40 pter in a good year. Dach will likely put up more than that this season.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

If HuGo end up giving up more than Dvorak and a couple of A- prospects for Dubois then sensible fans should exit the building because we are in MB territory AGAIN.

 

[Miller Time]

11 goals in last 88 games
It doesn’t take a genius too figure it out
He will never be as good as PLD and PLD is a second line centres
Temper your expectations

In Huberdeau's D4 season, he had 9g/28pts in 69 games... almost identical to Dach's D3 season.

i'm sure there were geniuses back then who were sure Huberdeau would never be as good as guys like Matt Duschene or Ryan Johansen or Evander Kane (who, like Dubois, started producing earlier on).

tempered expectation is a good idea.

assuming production levels of a 21yr old and 24yr old players are permanent and definitive indicators of their career trajectory? not so much.

 

[DAChampion]

It seems like we have some posters enthusiastically arguing that Dach is going to bust.

WTF.

 

[Justin11]

It seems like we have some posters enthusiastically arguing that Dach is going to bust.

WTF.

Welcome to Habsland

 

[Chose]

My gut tells me the Habs and Jets talked a fair amount but in the end, they decided to circle back later. Dubois now has his one year deal with one more RFA year left and he can't be part of a sign/trade until Jan+ now. I kind of like this cause we will know way more information from now till then.

* What does Dubois do this season after the distraction this summer on trade rummers and his interest in playing for the Habs one day.

* What does centers like Dvorak and Dach do this year for the Habs? Dvorak was a 0.77 pts/game center with MSL.

* What does the Panthers do and how is their pick tracking?

* What does the Habs prospects do? Someone like Kidney or Struble could be targeted by the Jets.

All I know is I'm only interested if it's a sign/trade and we know what his next deal looks like. And also if it's a Trouba trade value

It's not very important to be a sign & trade.
If PLD was traded tomorrow, he would be a Habs on a 1 year contrat going to be RFA, which means the Habs could sign him to their likings, up to the max of 8 years.

I trust Hugues (The Agent) to manage contracts carefully.