HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #80

[BigDaddyLurch]

Suzuki is most overpaid player in nhl. He is worth 5 tops.


You need to get off this board and pick up another sport.

You know nothing.

 

[Campground]

Habs beed Dubois now and they know this. Be prepared for shock what they give up. Then again Winnipeg will still not get enough

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Panarin is to be determined. Rangers haven't won anything yet. And if Kakko and Laf don't develop it will likely be because the team improved too quickly.

Panarin already has two 90+ points season (would have had a third at 100+ if not for COVID). They made the Conference Finals. What else is there to determine? How early we can call him HOF? What are you on about? Even if the Rangers never win the Cup, it was still worth it. You're not making any sense with that 'the team improved too quickly' stuff.

 

[le_sean]

Panarin was younger at free agency and it took years of cleaning up their long term cap space to get there.

Like maybe finding out if any of Montreal's prospects can actually be core pieces?

So let a great opportunity pass by because we don’t know if our 1st overall pick will contribute? Maybe they should fire the scouting team if they believe that.

Panarin might have been younger but Huberdeau is better.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Part of "finding out" is setting them up to succeed.

If you need a 100 point player to set them up to succeed, then they're probably not going to succeed.

So let a great opportunity pass by because we don’t know if our 1st overall pick will contribute? Maybe they should fire the scouting team if they believe that.

Panarin might have been younger but Huberdeau is better.

Offensively? To a degree. But Huberdeau is awful defensively whereas Panarin is simply meh.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

How good Huberdeau or Panarin are defensively never enters the discussion, whether you want to compare them directly or think of acquiring them. It does not matter.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

And new contracts will be given to prospects. Montreal has too many ineffecient contracts to realistically contend with a Huberdeau. And I don't get why so many want to pull a Chiarelli and say f*** the cap.

Odds are he'll start producing less sooner than that. And what continuous rebuilding? Montreal hasnt tried rebuilding at all.

And Buffalo made a play for a superstar producing offense only winger years ago. Ask them about how Skinner worked out.



Yes, Montreal's current cap situation and roster strength, which is the worst in the league, is excellent timing for spending big money long term on an offense only winger.

Don't worry CM - while some posters here seem to have UFA shopping frenzy Kent Hughes has repeatedly said he wants to set up the Habs to be a sustainable contender and that everything he will do will be with that goal in mind. So he's not looking for short-term fixes. While I don't think that rules out adding players via free agency at some point, I think he'll give it all a little more thought than some of us excited fans may do. So here's hoping he does a good job

 

[yianik]

Suzuki is making 8
I guess he better get way more than 60 pts are your post will make zero sense


That’s 5 years away man
The cap is gonna go up
You’re worried about 5 years away

No, you are the one making 0 sense, comparing a guy with 3 years of NHL experience and on an upward ppg trajectory to a guy with 6 years in and has just matched his best point total from 3 or 4 years ago. And Suzuki is better at face offs already compared to PLD , but I suppose that doesn't matter to you as they are only centres.

And yeah, Suzuki was worth tying up for 8 years at almost $8M.

I think PLD could be a nice add, but not today.

 

[V13]

A 2024 top 6 of

Suzuki
Caufield
Slafkovsky
Dubois
Huberdeau
One of Bedard/Michkov/Fantilli

I can dream can i ?

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Suzuki is better than McDavid says habs fans lol.

He would be jets 6th best player on that team.

Think people

...says the tree stump that just fell from the turnip truck...don't you have paint chips that need an eatin'??...

 

[David Suzuki]

Suzuki is the best habs player on the worst team.

Seek help if you disagree

We have no good prospects. You overvalue your fave team

Like biz said on the show. Habs fand disillusional

I respect elaborate trolls but this low level stuff is so bad lol can't even spell properly

 

[Saxon]

Elliott Friedman and Paul Bissonnette agree with me.

Habs want dubois but they dont have enough to get him.

Paul said habs fans delusional thinking they get Dubois without paying heavy price.

Then keep him... problem solved.

 

[calder candidate]

If I’m Hurberdeau yes I want the best contract but I probably don’t want to spend my last couple of years being a cap liability ( especially in MTL) and losing out on cup opportunities…

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

No, you are the one making 0 sense, comparing a guy with 3 years of NHL experience and on an upward ppg trajectory to a guy with 6 years in and has just matched his best point total from 3 or 4 years ago. And Suzuki is better at face offs already compared to PLD , but I suppose that doesn't matter to you as they are only centres.

And yeah, Suzuki was worth tying up for 8 years at almost $8M.

I think PLD could be a nice add, but not today.

Suzuki is also very good defensively as well. I don't really feel they're comparable, I'm not sure why people want to compare them because it seems pretty obvious that Suzuki is the much better piece to build around.

Where PLD could be really handy is slotting into a contenders top-6 because of his size scoring and physical game, and his position flexibility of being able to play LW or C.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Panarin already has two 90+ points season (would have had a third at 100+ if not for COVID). They made the Conference Finals. What else is there to determine? How early we can call him HOF? What are you on about? Even if the Rangers never win the Cup, it was still worth it. You're not making any sense with that 'the team improved too quickly' stuff.

The goal is to win the Cup. It's worth it for the owners who can rake in the money. Fans shouldn't give a damn if the team is improved if they don't win the championship. They couldn't pass up the opportunity to get Panarin but if kakko and Lafreniere's development is stalled they won't likely get close to a Cup.

 

[le_sean]

If you need a 100 point player to set them up to succeed, then they're probably not going to succeed.

This is such a ridiculous take.

 

[Captain Mountain]

This is such a ridiculous take.

What, there's no other way to set prospects up for success?

 

[yianik]

Suzuki is also very good defensively as well. I don't really feel they're comparable, I'm not sure why people want to compare them because it seems pretty obvious that Suzuki is the much better piece to build around.

Where PLD could be really handy is slotting into a contenders top-6 because of his size scoring and physical game, and his position flexibility of being able to play LW or C.

Bang on.

 

[yianik]

Hellooooooooo

Suzuki is a line centre. He is not elite. He is not a star.

Pld is likely top 8 centre in nhl. Suzuki? Wake up.

No coach or expert would think that.

His contract is horrible and likely why we stuck in limbo until we trade him.

Like wake up

Wait. Did you just say PLD is the 8th best centre in the league ? You did, no need to reply.

Okay, no point in further discussions.

Cheers

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Pld is likely top 8 centre in nhl. Suzuki? Wake up.

...Chevy burner account found...

Just stop.

You make message boards unreadable

 

[Saxon]

Wait. Did you just say PLD is the 8th best centre in the league ? You did, no need to reply.

Okay, no point in further discussions.

Cheers

If there is one thing PLD knows... it's how to tank his value...... he knows what's up, HuGo just need to be patient...

 

[Scriptor]

Figure out a way to trade price and/or gallagher to liberate cap space for hub and pld when they become ufa/rfa

Not even necessary to move Price or Gallagher for now. Plenty of money coming off the books after this season (16.775M) for Huberdeau and extending Caufield and 9.1M potentially coming off the books after the following year for PLD.

If you are confident you will nab both players off the UFA market (there are always indirect talks, even though there shouldn't be -- Huberdeau's cleaning service gets a message off to the gardener at the Hughes estate on the West Island ), you can trade both Dvorak and Anderson strictly for futures or for help on the right side of D, freeing up extra Millions in the process to sign Dach to a decent bridge deal after having shored up the right side of D for the long haul.

Once the acquisition of a high draft pick in 2023 and both local UFAs has been confirmed, you can pay a 1st rounder in one year, a 2nd rounder in another and a 3rd rounder still, in a different year, to move Gallagher's contract. Then, you can move a 2nd rounder in the year you gave a 3rd rounder along with arias remaining term. To move Savard's final year, sign and trade Evans and you're done, IMO.

Moving what will amount to 23.35M won't be as difficult as imagined, but it will cost some for Gallagher, Armia and Savard, IMO.

Dvorak has a fair cap hit and remaining value to be traded and expect a return and Anderson has the advantage of being a rare breed of player that can still be moved while he is healthy. Even if it's not for Dubois, he can be moved to WIN or CAL that are two organizations that are having trouble retaining talent. Five years of team control with Anderson's remaining term is actually an asset for such teams.

If Huberdeau and PLD really want to play for Montreal, I'm not concerned about HuGo's ability to find the Cap room to make it happen and to continue improving the team so signing here is attractive to both local UFAs.

It also needn't involve Price who, barring a confirmed LTIR status until the end of his contract by the players' association, the NHL and the insurance company, will either be impossible to move or won't represent a significant cap gain if moved.

 

[Milhouse40]

Suzuki - Big contract Long term
Caufield - Big contract Long term
Gallagher - Big contract Long term
PLD - Big contract Long term
Huberdeau - Big contract Long term

How many big contract long term can the Habs carry upfront?
There's also a defense and some goalies a team needs in order to win.

If Slakovsky becomes a worthy 1st overall, he's going to command another long term contract in 3 years while those will be in effect.....maybe even Dach too.

 

[montreal]

What do you think the odds are the pick produces a player as good as Dubois and how old do you think Dubois is? Acquiring Dubois is rebuilding. That's the point.

It's the exact type of move that Kent Hughes was talking about when he said he'd rather acquire young players as opposed to picks. That's why he was smiling and giving the wink-wink nod-nod when asked about Dubois. That's why The Athletic's Winnipeg writer said that Montreal has still been trying to acquire Dubois after getting Dach at the draft.

What you're saying is essentially saying shit like you'd rather keep a mid 1st round pick instead of giving it up for a player that's like Suzuki. Do you not realize how ridiculous that is? Kent Hughes should be harassing Cheveldayoff daily.

No one said we shouldn't acquire PLD, but for a team that just finished in last place in the entire league and just had it's worst season ever in it's history, trading futures is not what they should be doing imo. They just did it for Dach and now again for PLD? The object should be getting more 1st round picks not less.

I just wouldn't include Dach but other than that I agree.

you have to give something to get, I think the Dach trade was a mistake but of course we'll see if he can get back on track or not.

So you guys would trade Suzuki for a mid 1st-rounder, yeah? Let's see how consistent you guys are. Can't wait to see the twists and turns.

It's really not that hard, the Habs should not be in a position to trade future assets and their top young players. Continue the rebuild by trading what vets they can, play Monty a ton and this team could be in very good shape after the '23 draft.

 

[Scriptor]

A 2024 top 6 of

Suzuki
Caufield
Slafkovsky
Dubois
Huberdeau
One of Bedard/Michkov/Fantilli

I can dream can i ?

Keep Fantilli on the 3rd line for 2024 and have Dach play right wing with him, along with Heineman on the left wing. Slafkovsky and Dubois can have Roy as a RW while Huberdeau plays LW with Suzuki and Caufield.

Or, better, IMO:

Huberdeau - Dubois - Caufield
Slafkovsky - Suzuki - Roy
Heineman - Fantilli - Dach

as a top-9. Basically, we need another bonafide scoring LW for the 3rd line, IMO, to balance out the offense on that line because, while Fantilli can dish it out as a scorer or a playmaker, Dach is more of a playmaker than a finisher. We need another sniper on the left. I'm banking on Heineman's speed, but more importantly his quality wrist shot to see him finish some plays.