HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #80

[Runner77]

Who cares about them. He’s a 100+ point player. You deal with it if it happens.

Exactly. If you can get him as a UFA, you don’t look a gift horse in the mouth. For the first time in what, 40 years maybe, we’d have a shot at an elite point producer — and people here are up in arms looking for flaws and doomsday scenarios.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Who cares about them. He’s a 100+ point player. You deal with it if it happens.

Price was the best goalie in the NHL and a top 10 player when he signed his deal. We're dealing with it now. Which is the issue.

 

[Runner77]

Not being a drawn out rebuild doesn't mean spending non existent cap space in free agency. Everything costs assets. You can't possibly look at the cap trades made this offseason and think otherwise.

The cap will evolve. It’s only 2 years away. Huberdeau as a UFA next year, can be absorbed and planned for on top of all of the deadweight contracts expiring.

 

[le_sean]

Price was the best goalie in the NHL and a top 10 player when he signed his deal. We're dealing with it now. Which is the issue.

That’s different. To use that much cap space on a goalie was always stupid. Not the same for forwards and defencemen.

 

[Captain Mountain]

The cap will evolve. It’s only 2 years away. Huberdeau as a UFA next year, can be absorbed and planned for on top of all of the deadweight contracts expiring.

And new contracts will be given to prospects. Montreal has too many ineffecient contracts to realistically contend with a Huberdeau. And I don't get why so many want to pull a Chiarelli and say f*** the cap.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Signing Huberdeau next summer would be a no-brainer if not for the Dubois situation

 

[Runner77]

And new contracts will be given to prospects. Montreal has too many ineffecient contracts to realistically contend with a Huberdeau. And I don't get why so many want to pull a Chiarelli and say f*** the cap.

No one knows what cap clearing and cap management moves will be implemented by Hughes by next year. If there is one constant it’s that the market will evolve. You’re not likely to see any dire trades for cap room once the cap rises as per pre-pandemic ratios.

No point looking too far ahead, a lot can happen.

 

[Captain Mountain]

That’s different. To use that much cap space on a goalie was always stupid. Not the same for forwards and defencemen.

Tampa won 2 cups with nearly that much tied up in goaltending. And ask Dallas, Chicago and San Jose how paying big money to veteran star skaters works out. Most of the time, not well.

There's a reason Florida traded Huberdeau without talking contract. That contract is going to age terribly.

 

[le_sean]

I just can’t believe arguing the merits of signing a 100 point player because maybe he’ll start producing less 5 years later. At what point do you stop continuously rebuilding? Look at how that’s worked out for Buffalo.

I’d much rather do like the Rangers, expedite things when you can without being stupid.

 

[KevSkillz4]

If Habs sign Huberdeau and Dubois... wow!!

Huberdeau - Suzuki - Caufield.
Slafkovsky - Dubois - Dach.

 

[BLONG7]

Gorton is on record about how this will not be a drawn out rebuild. We don’t have disposable quality depth to acquire elite offensive talent and very little of it wants to play here.

It won’t be perfect but if that’s the best available to us and won’t cost assets then it’ll fall in line with the turnaround contemplated by management, shortsighted, longsighted, blind or whatever morosity you want to label it with.

The guys are a just a little smarter than the old guy befor them, so it should at least be a little more entertaining for the fans.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

Quantity doesn’t equal quality
Suzuki right now is a good 2nd line centre
Dvorak is a tweener between the 2nd and 3rd and dach is not better than Evans
You’re right we don’t need Dubois .. gimme a break man

Jesper Bratt is a great player. Super good quality. Only 23 and a PPG player last year. What's not to like?????

 

[calder candidate]

Next year we lose due to contract expiration:

Dadonov - 5 mill
Drouin - 5.5 mill
Byron - 3.4 mill
Allen - 2.875 mill

That's $16.775mill

Potential trades out this season:

Dvorak - $4.45 mill
Hoffman - 4.5 mill

That's another $8.95 mill

which gives you total a potential open $25.725 mill. Not even discussing Armia, Gallagher or Anderson or Price. Assume they all stay.

Huberbeau - 11 mill
PLD - 7.8 mill
Caufield 6.7 mill

$25.5 mill. Our depth chart would be:

Slafkovski - Suzuki - Caufield
Huberdeau - PLD - Gallagher
Anderson - Dach - Armia

etc..

I mean not even factoring in Farrel, Kidney, Roy grabbing one of the RW spots. Ideally we get rid of Gallagher's contract as well and have a rookie take that spot.

That lineup fits under the cap, for a couple years. Top two lines mostly signed long term.

PLD won’t be UFA until the following season. If Huberdeau need 11M$ maybe he doesn’t really care about winning or playing in MTL if he make 11M$ it mean we need to dress ~3 at 1M$… He should look at Tavares situation he when for local hero to maybe this up wasn’t a great move… you never when you will need a extra 3M$ for a Dman. If Huberdeau sign in MTL he will drown in endorsements deal, he have a job after hockey as a ambassador for the habs or TV gig and since we have been crying about Qc player not wanting to sign In MTL I would hope that we would never hear any negative comments.

 

[le_sean]

Tampa won 2 cups with nearly that much tied up in goaltending. And ask Dallas, Chicago and San Jose how paying big money to veteran star skaters works out. Most of the time, not well.

There's a reason Florida traded Huberdeau without talking contract. That contract is going to age terribly.

No they didn’t. They won once with him on his new contract which was coincidentally the same year that Point was on his old contract. It’s all about timing.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

So paying Hurbedeau till he’s 37 is bad?
Someone’s gonna do it and he’s gonna give 5 good years to them

But why not get Jesper Bratt?

 

[Miller Time]

Huberdeau is already 29. By the time all the key players hit their stride, he may be in decline. That’s a tricky age. I’d be very hesitant to go for him at this stage of the rebuild

Dubois is a lesser player, but he fits the timeline

True... But cap-wise, he could fit well in that time frame for the same reason.

Guhle, Mailloux, Barron, Harris, Norlinder, Hutson, Xehaj give the Habs a good shot at having 2+ top-4 dmen on ELC/RFA deals during Hubs 30-35 years.

Slaf, Farrell, Beck, Heineman, Mesar, Roy, Rohrer, Mysak, Tuch, Kidney, Kapanen, Ylonen provide likely 3-4 top-9 forwards

And Price's cap probably isn't here in 2-3 yrs, either LTIR or retirement.

Adding a talent like hubs at wing might be exactly the right move to lighten the burden on skilled wingers like CC, Mesar, Slaf, Farrell et., while making life easier for Suzuki & Dach since we know Gally, Anderson & Hoffman won't cut it over the next 3-5 years.

Btw 13.4M$ off the books in Dadonov/Drouin/Byron next year, and assuming they can move 1-2 of DVO/Hoff/Armia, Hubs as the highest paid skater at 8-10M$ from 23-24 to 2029-30, makes a lot of sense imo. (On top of the Franco superstar added bonus).

 

[Captain Mountain]

I just can’t believe arguing the merits of signing a 100 point player because maybe he’ll start producing less 5 years later. At what point do you stop continuously rebuilding? Look at how that’s worked out for Buffalo.

I’d much rather do like the Rangers, expedite things when you can without being stupid.

Odds are he'll start producing less sooner than that. And what continuous rebuilding? Montreal hasnt tried rebuilding at all.

And Buffalo made a play for a superstar producing offense only winger years ago. Ask them about how Skinner worked out.

No they didn’t. They won once with him on his new contract which was coincidentally the same year that Point was on his old contract. It’s all about timing.

Yes, Montreal's current cap situation and roster strength, which is the worst in the league, is excellent timing for spending big money long term on an offense only winger.

 

[Miller Time]

Go tr

Omg. You make habs fans look dumb.

Yr younger? Omg thats unbelievable lol

The problem with fans today is they lack knowledge of value cause there hasnt been any value trades in the last decade.

They are all based off a player wanting out

Suzuki to jets would likely net Lowry Appleton and prospect Lucious.

Go troll elsewhere

 

[le_sean]

Yes, Montreal's current cap situation and roster strength, which is the worst in the league, is excellent timing for spending big money long term on an offense only winger.

Really hurt the Rangers doing that exact same thing right? Panarin really ruined their team.

Cole on an early contract, Slaf, Guhle, Barron on ELCs. High 2023 pick on an ELC. Seems like perfect timing to me.

 

[salbutera]

Really hurt the Rangers doing that exact same thing right? Panarin really ruined their team.

Cole on an early contract, Slaf, Guhle, Barron on ELCs. High 2023 pick on an ELC. Seems like perfect timing to me.

Trading for Trouba & Fox, and signing Panarin as UFA also really hurt their chances at 1OA.

I can only hope the Habs are ruined as badly

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

Go tr

Go troll elsewhere

Don't feed the troll MT!!

 

[Captain Mountain]

Really hurt the Rangers doing that exact same thing right? Panarin really ruined their team.

Cole on an early contract, Slaf, Guhle, Barron on ELCs. High 2023 pick on an ELC. Seems like perfect timing to me.

Panarin was younger at free agency and it took years of cleaning up their long term cap space to get there.

Like maybe finding out if any of Montreal's prospects can actually be core pieces?

 

[SlafySZN]

Trading for Trouba & Fox, and signing Panarin as UFA also really hurt their chances at 1OA.

I can only hope the Habs are ruined as badly

Yes and how are they using their 1st overall and 2nd overall in their lineup because of that?

Lafreniere and Kakko can’t even develop the right way behind all these guys

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Really hurt the Rangers doing that exact same thing right? Panarin really ruined their team.

Cole on an early contract, Slaf, Guhle, Barron on ELCs. High 2023 pick on an ELC. Seems like perfect timing to me.

Panarin is to be determined. Rangers haven't won anything yet. And if Kakko and Laf don't develop it will likely be because the team improved too quickly.

 

[Miller Time]

Panarin was younger at free agency and it took years of cleaning up their long term cap space to get there.

Like maybe finding out if any of Montreal's prospects can actually be core pieces?

Part of "finding out" is setting them up to succeed.