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HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #80

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Kudo Shinichi said:
The only way Florida misses the playoffs is if they have multiple major injuries to their good players. We could say that for any team.

Otherwise, you don't go from best team in the league to missing the playoffs just because you lost Weegar and Marchment.
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Can you imagine if a team went from Stanley Cup finals to worst team in the league?
 
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HabsWhiteKnightLOL said:
Yall act MSL is the god of coaching. He turned up Caufield last season and that's about it.

He still sure didn't manage to make Anderson or Gallagher relevant. Let alone the PP
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Florida is in a weird spot this year, so it's not really that clear cut. Their cap is really bad with the buyouts, they lost a lot of depth for a team that actually did rely heavily on it to outgun their opponents, Weegar had struggles last year but after Forsling Montour Ekblad their D looks very rough. So far, they really have two superstars, with Tkachuk as a potential one, the entire team had a career year and their goalie is still suspect. If you look at the quality in the top 6 and their top pairing, you would still bet on them even in the strongest division but move below that and it's concerning.

Also I know Brunette had his flaws but picking Maurice for a highly offensive team with suspect goaltending is a choice.
 
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Scriptor said:
Signing Huberdeau (after the deep 2023 draft with many special players available in the first round) gibes Montreal two consecutive drafts with high picks, on top of two really young, projectable core players in Suzuki and Caufield. Huberdeau has zero impact on Landing another star forward like, say, Fantilli (no guarantees, I know, but an example not named Bédard).

IMO, a forward core that aligns, in no particular order, Suzuki, Caufield, Huberdeau and Anderson, with highly touted youngsters such as Slafkovsky, Fantilli, Dach and Roy, is ready to add a player like Dubois for free as a UFA.

That gives 9 potential top-6 players at different stags of their development for your top-9, boasting a forward depth like few teams will have and a few years to bring the younger players along, all surrounded with some veterans (some younger -- Dubois -- and some a little older -- Huberdeau and Anderson, but not 36, 37 and 38) to help in their development.

Huberdeau, Anderson, Slafkovsky, Roy, Caufield as wingers.
Suzuki and Fantilli as Cs
Dubois and Dach as C/Ws.

Dubois - Suzuki - Caufield
Huberdeau - Dach - Anderson
Slafkovsky - Fantilli- Roy (kid line)

Of course, these are all pencilled in line-ups and developing chemistry will determine the final portrait, but there are many quality C/Ws and players that can play both wings with aplomb to make this lineup highly flexible win order to accommodate natural fits between certain players.

Maybe it ends up

Huberdeau - Suzuki - Caufield
Slafkovsky - Dubois - Dach
Roy - Fantilli Anderson

-OR-

Huberdeau - Suzuki - Roy
Slafkovsky - Dubois - Caufield
Anderson - Fantilli - Dach

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Huberdeau - Suzuki - Caufield
Dubois - Dach - Roy
Slafkovsky - Fantilli - Anderson

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Huberdeau - Suzuki - Caufield
Dubois - Dach - Anderson
Slafkovsky - Fantilli - Roy

0r some other combination.


I won't go beyond the top-9 because there are so many possible, low-cost options for the 4th line with real talent in the system already.
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I'm counting on another top 10 pick but more closer to 5-10 range than 1-5.

You're never as good as your best season and you're never as bad as your worse. Habs are going to rebound slightly this season.

Deep draft? Top end yeah but at a certain point, it becomes typical. We have been hearing about deep drafts for decades now and it has to come with context. Deep draft at the top end yes.

I'm very interested in Dubois and Huberdeau if it fits the cap structure and cap growth projections. However, Huberdeau might sign long term with the Flames. Love what Huberdeau can bring but it's a 30-37 contract. If you sign him for $9M, the back end of that term might not be of value and comes with risks during our rebuild or when the younger players like Slaf is 22/23+. I prefer Dubois actually cause he would come for his prime years.
 
Milhouse40 said:
That's also a stupid narrative to pump our chest and say: We'll just sign him for free in 2 years cause he won't sign with nobody else.
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It's a leverage tactic in trade negotiations comment. Will Dubois consider the Habs? Hell yeah he will. Will he play nice on the long term deal and AAV? We can only guess.

What does Dubois say if we offer him $7.5M and another team offers $9M. We can only guess.

Sign him for free? I am not a big fan of that comment as well in the end. I prefer to get him now and get him locked up for 7x7 if that's possible. Lots can happen in 2 years and for the 24/25 season when his next contract starts, it's going to be a much higher cap than today. My strategy is adding him now with futures we can spare but with contracts going the other way (Dvorak and Armia for example).

Am I interested in Dubois in 2 years at $9M? Probably not

absolute garbage said:
Right now they are both 60p guys yes. Different style like you said but similar value players.

My point is more that Suzuki signed his big deal one year before his ELC ended, where as Dubois will sign his big deal either in summer 2023 or 2024 which is 6 or 7 years into his career. That is a massive difference in terms of where they are in their careers.

If Dubois continues to be a ~60p player next season (and possibly the season after that), he's going to be regarded as a 60p player when he signs his next big deal. No one is going to "pay for potential" at that point anymore.

Where as when Suzuki signed his big deal people weren't sure what kind of player he would become. If he ends up plateauing at 60p the contract will be kinda meh, but if becomes a consistent PPG guy it's a very good one. He was a 21-year old in the middle of his ELC, it was a gamble of sorts, pay for potential and see how he develops. You don't do that when you sign guys in their mid or late 20s, they are deep into their careers at that point.
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Personally, I'm willing to say edge to Suzuki over Dubois but I think my gap is closer than yours. It's all good.

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Learned something new. So a player who signs a 1 year deal, can't sign the extension until Jan that season. For this reason, I will not make any trade for Dubois until we are able to do a sign/trade and ensure we get him for the right price in a trade and also the right AAV on the extension.
 
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Florida wanted Tkatchuk for PO run because they were unhappy how Huberdeau and Weegar got pushed around vs the lightning.

Now the regular season, they are weaker than last year by a lot. Which could enf up doing the Vegas scenario if they have to deal with tons of injuries.
 
Kudo Shinichi said:
The only way Florida misses the playoffs is if they have multiple major injuries to their good players. We could say that for any team.

Otherwise, you don't go from best team in the league to missing the playoffs just because you lost Weegar and Marchment.
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Odds would indicate that if they had a bad season with injuries, they just miss the playoffs. So more like a 10-15 range pick and some think that is worth more than Dubois for his prime. Same as some saying Nazar will be better than Dach. Draft pick obsession where only a select few turn into top of the line-up talent. Dach looked very good too in his draft year.
 
Kwikwi said:
Florida wanted Tkatchuk for PO run because they were unhappy how Huberdeau and Weegar got pushed around vs the lightning.

Now the regular season, they are weaker than last year by a lot. Which could enf up doing the Vegas scenario if they have to deal with tons of injuries.
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Panthers had a top 5 PP and Huberdeau was a huge part of it. Huberdeau in his career has 30% of his production on the PP where it was 33% last year.

Flames had a top 10 PP and I wonder if Tkachuk was as big of a piece for the Flames in puck distribution as Huberdeau was for the Panthers? Tkachuk was around 27% for his production on the PP last year.

I think the Panthers got better 5/5 with Tkachuk but their PP takes a hit. I think they score less goals this year vs last year. Better or worser team overall? I'm not sure. They did get younger and stronger though

CaptainKirk said:
I’m sure if that were possible, it would have been done already.
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Yeah, and it's likely true but we don't know if Hughes is even offering what I am offering. It's possible he is not willing to go as deep and he prefers to protect Dach and the Panthers unprotected 1st.

Now that Dubois has signed the one year deal and can't sign an extension till Jan, I'm not making any more proposals. I want the sign/trade and the extension in place at the time of the trade. No way I trade for Dubois thinking we can look at the extension later.
 
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BigDaddyLurch said:
...Tkachuk is not the player Huberdeau is, Duclair is out, that D looks almost US bad...they scored at an unsustainable rate last year, imo...our Division is BY FAR the toughest in the NHL; Ottawa got a ton better, Detroit got better, Buffalo looks better...and then there's Bob; the most erratic two-time Vezina winner in memory...even without any other major injuries/hurtles, Florida could miss the Playoffs...
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You’re really reaching here. Florida’s defence is not almost as bad as Montreal’s. I’d trade our 6 defencemen for half of Ekblad. Heck Brandon Montour would be our best defender. They have two solid goaltenders. Their top 6 forwards are elite. Lundell is going to take a step forward. Maybe Luostarinen. They have Denisenko, Heponiemi waiting in the wings.

They might take a step back but this isn’t going to be a Top 15 pick.
 
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We need some heroics from Boston....i think Ottawa likely replaces Boston and TB, TOR, FLA all get into the playoffs.

Complete wildcard is DET.
 
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