HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #80

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Sounded like the Habs could have PLD in a year or two. If he really wants to play here and his agent isn't just doing to the use us to get paid more from another club, then any team that trades for him knows he could be gone in 2 seasons. Fits well with the rebuild hopefully, as long as we don't give up futures to acquire him I'm good although I was never a huge fan of his.

Huberdeau would be sick, if he really wanted to be here.

If the Habs trade for Dubois before the start of free agency and maybe make another trade, or two to show they're going to be trending up, then Huberdeau might have some interest to come here.

 

[JoelWarlord]

After Suzuki you literally named 3 centres who aren’t point producers

That's one way to phrase it. Another way is that after Suzuki I named a young 6'4C that was taken 3rd overall and has some very interesting qualities even if yes, I fully agree that he hasn't proven anything. Then I named a great 3C/short-term acceptable 2C in Dvorak, and Evans who produced well for his role last year and brings solid defensive value. And then after that, I named four high-end center prospects who will be available at the top of the 2023 draft for Montreal to take.

It's an odd response as if what I'm saying is "Montreal has perfect C depth and there's nothing to worry about" when I brought up the 2023 draft multiple times. The point is that we have Suzuki, we have Dach who may or may not pan out, we have Dvorak and Evans slotted into depth roles, and we'll be picking high in the 2023 draft as well so we'll have someone else coming in from the top of the draft whether or not Dach is able to develop as a 2C.

 

[montreal]

I'd love for the Habs to eventually add a PLD to the team but just not right now.

I'd much rather they just stay the course right now, play out next season and hopefully get another top 5 pick plus another decent prospect with the Florida 1st in this upcoming very good draft and maybe try again next summer to acquire PLD, at hopefully a bit cheaper cost since he'd only have 1 year left before UFA then.

Plus the Habs will also have much more cap flexibility next summer than they do this year with a few contracts coming off the books after next season so it would be much easier to fit PLD in then as well.

Being patient with this ongoing PLD situation is probably the best way to go about approaching this. If he really wants to be a Hab he as his chance to be one in a couple of years so we'll see.

well said!

I’d jettison Armia for the cap relief. Hoffman would be my preferred choice but either will do.

If Pac went for nothing, Armia isn't going anywhere.

Huberdeau did sound today like someone fully open to staying in Calgary. PLD? He sounded, once again, like someone who will be here sooner or later. But he won't force the move either. So its really up to how stupid the Jets want to be about it. Its the Jets, so expect the worst.

I don't expect Huberdeau to play here, don't think it fits unless either the Habs are much better then expected, as I would assume he would want to go where he could win a cup but it would be cool to get such a great playmaker. Caufield could hit 50 with him.

If the Habs trade for Dubois before the start of free agency and maybe make another trade, or two to show they're going to be trending up, then Huberdeau might have some interest to come here.

The goaltending and defense would need a lot of things to go right imo, as getting those top pairing D is very difficult as we have seen the failure of trying to replace Markov/Subban (when he was with us not what he is now of course)

 

[Miller Time]

If dach remains below 40 pts it’s a weak as crop of centres
How many teams have a better 1-2 than Suzuki and Dvorak ? A lot
We’re very weak down the middle and on D

not that pts are the only measure of a C's impact... but quick question for you... how many C's in the league scored more than 40pts last year?

do "a lot" of teams have a better 1-2 than the habs? Sure. And, "a lot" don't... either way, claiming the habs have "by far the worst" C depth is a terribly inaccurate and ungrounded take.

 

[Scriptor]

Are you saying acquiring guys like copp, perron, kubalik, maatta, chiarot is remotely close to be the same thing as signing Huberdeau for 7 years at an astronomical salary? PLUS Dubois? Come on now.

You're right. The latter is much better than overpaying for middle-of-the-road players.

 

[HabzSauce]

So I'm all for getting Scooby Doo and PLD (as long as the price is right) - but what the hell are we gonna do to get that true 1D that we so desperately need?

2023 draft we are getting a C most likely, and 2023/2024 UFA don't look so appealing for defenceman.

 

[HabzSauce]

This is exactly what will happen and when it does I hope we never hear how this Francophone or that Francophone love the habs ever again

Well if PLD says he only wants to play for the habs, then I don't think he accepts those offers.

Look at kthachuk - he gave CGY only 3 teams to choose from. FLA, CAR and STL, and he ended up getting his wish.

 

[Rapala]

Armia’s worth a late 1st?!?

How quickly can that deal happen? Cattle prodding stick included (might help when he gets into deep funks, like 95% of the time).

2227 top twenty five protected,

 

[Scriptor]

Thanks for clarifying. I prefer to bring both in if we can project our cap structure. Dubois for his prime years and Huberdeau for his 30-36 years. Personally, I value both their games and at the points of their careers. I think you are undervaluing Dubois for his prime. Probably similar to Anderson type evaluation.

How can you not like this forward group? It creates a situation where we can focus on drafting more D to improve on Guhle, Barron, Harris, Mailloux, Hutson, etc.

Slaf / Suzuki / Caufield
Huberdeau / Dubois / Anderson
Farell / Dach / Gallagher
Pitlick / Evans / Roy
Heineman, Ylonen, Mysak, Mesar



Is their young core better than the Habs? Suzuki and under? The point here is wanting more patience vs signing guys like Huberdeau and Dubois. Yzerman can be criticized for signing guys that hurts his Bedard chances and you said it yourself, it's not the same kind of signings as Huberdeau and Dubois

The point here (to be clear) is Yzerman is more open to failing with his plan vs the Habs with ours. Guys he signed this past summer vs the Habs signing Huberdeau and a possible sign/trade for Dubois.

More patience required for Yzerman even if he drafted in the top 10 for 6 years? That's the point and it just goes to show how hard it is to tank/rebuild and exit that with contending pieces

Signing Huberdeau (after the deep 2023 draft with many special players available in the first round) gibes Montreal two consecutive drafts with high picks, on top of two really young, projectable core players in Suzuki and Caufield. Huberdeau has zero impact on Landing another star forward like, say, Fantilli (no guarantees, I know, but an example not named Bédard).

IMO, a forward core that aligns, in no particular order, Suzuki, Caufield, Huberdeau and Anderson, with highly touted youngsters such as Slafkovsky, Fantilli, Dach and Roy, is ready to add a player like Dubois for free as a UFA.

That gives 9 potential top-6 players at different stags of their development for your top-9, boasting a forward depth like few teams will have and a few years to bring the younger players along, all surrounded with some veterans (some younger -- Dubois -- and some a little older -- Huberdeau and Anderson, but not 36, 37 and 38) to help in their development.

Huberdeau, Anderson, Slafkovsky, Roy, Caufield as wingers.
Suzuki and Fantilli as Cs
Dubois and Dach as C/Ws.

Dubois - Suzuki - Caufield
Huberdeau - Dach - Anderson
Slafkovsky - Fantilli- Roy (kid line)

Of course, these are all pencilled in line-ups and developing chemistry will determine the final portrait, but there are many quality C/Ws and players that can play both wings with aplomb to make this lineup highly flexible win order to accommodate natural fits between certain players.

Maybe it ends up

Huberdeau - Suzuki - Caufield
Slafkovsky - Dubois - Dach
Roy - Fantilli Anderson

-OR-

Huberdeau - Suzuki - Roy
Slafkovsky - Dubois - Caufield
Anderson - Fantilli - Dach

-OR-

Huberdeau - Suzuki - Caufield
Dubois - Dach - Roy
Slafkovsky - Fantilli - Anderson

-OR-

Huberdeau - Suzuki - Caufield
Dubois - Dach - Anderson
Slafkovsky - Fantilli - Roy

0r some other combination.


I won't go beyond the top-9 because there are so many possible, low-cost options for the 4th line with real talent in the system already.

 

[hardcorehabs]

If we land hub and dub in 2 years, then we better trade Caufield for help on D. This is assuming Slaf is doing great, and our 2023 pick is Top 5.

 

[417]

I'd love for the Habs to eventually add a PLD to the team but just not right now.

I'd much rather they just stay the course right now, play out next season and hopefully get another top 5 pick plus another decent prospect with the Florida 1st in this upcoming very good draft and maybe try again next summer to acquire PLD, at hopefully a bit cheaper cost since he'd only have 1 year left before UFA then.

Plus the Habs will also have much more cap flexibility next summer than they do this year with a few contracts coming off the books after next season so it would be much easier to fit PLD in then as well.

Being patient with this ongoing PLD situation is probably the best way to go about approaching this. If he really wants to be a Hab he as his chance to be one in a couple of years so we'll see.

Good post...

Although I could see Hughes giving up futures right now to get PLD...but it'sprobably not the futures that the Jets would want and I don't see why they'd limit themselves to dealing with the only team who has no incentive to overpay for their asset.

 

[AmeriHab]

I don't understand the interest for PLD for this year. One more sell off year should make us enticing enough to pull Hubs home and a fully stocked cupboard for PLD where we don't notice anything leaving

 

[Weltschmerz]

not that pts are the only measure of a C's impact... but quick question for you... how many C's in the league scored more than 40pts last year?

do "a lot" of teams have a better 1-2 than the habs? Sure. And, "a lot" don't... either way, claiming the habs have "by far the worst" C depth is a terribly inaccurate and ungrounded take.

nhl.com has 72, pretty sure not all are real centers
Dach comes in at 117 with his 26 points

 

[Sasha Orlov]

So I'm all for getting Scooby Doo and PLD (as long as the price is right) - but what the hell are we gonna do to get that true 1D that we so desperately need?

2023 draft we are getting a C most likely, and 2023/2024 UFA don't look so appealing for defenceman.

Hutson

 

[Vachon23]

I don't understand the interest for PLD for this year. One more sell off year should make us enticing enough to pull Hubs home and a fully stocked cupboard for PLD where we don't notice anything leaving

Letting MSL develop Dubois for the next 2 years and not let his development in the hands of Winnipeg

 

[CanadienShark]

Sounded like the Habs could have PLD in a year or two. If he really wants to play here and his agent isn't just doing to the use us to get paid more from another club, then any team that trades for him knows he could be gone in 2 seasons. Fits well with the rebuild hopefully, as long as we don't give up futures to acquire him I'm good although I was never a huge fan of his.

Huberdeau would be sick, if he really wanted to be here.

That's how I feel. I'd take him at a reasonable deal, but I'm not really interested in giving up significant assets for him. I'm not a big fan of his at all. I'd take him, but I wouldn't put a lot of effort into acquiring him.

 

[hardcorehabs]

So I'm all for getting Scooby Doo and PLD (as long as the price is right) - but what the hell are we gonna do to get that true 1D that we so desperately need?

2023 draft we are getting a C most likely, and 2023/2024 UFA don't look so appealing for defenceman.

Trade Caufield. Or maybe Dach if he hits his potential.

 

[Beendair Donedat]

A lot of guys taking victory laps on Habs “not acquiring Dubois” within a span of a few weeks in here. Lots of self high fives. I think a deal with PLD will happen, but not sure when, I wouldn’t be bragging just yet, this one is a slow play.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

I'm concerned at how many posters are thinking about rebuilding in a simplistic way.

Say we continue to 'Tank' and 'Rebuild' and miss on all our draft picks? What if they don't develop well? What if we end up like Buffalo and we are awful for 10+ years?

What if we can't sign UFA's like Dubois & Huberdeau? What then?

The best course of action is balancing rebuilding and acting on things you can control.

What can you control? Trying to secure the assets you need to build a winner. Yes we need to draft as high as we can again, but it is comedy to think that we will be able to get Huberdeau or Dubois for 'Free' when they hit UFA.

Trade the assets you need to, to lock down your pieces WHILE you are rebuilding.

Tanking does not equal success.

What you can control is to draft BPA.
The entire team beyond 3 players are washed

Our prospect pool isn't even that good .

The difference this time there is no Carey Price to save the GMs job.

No change but to rebuild by finishing last .

No goalies prospect.
Traded the only young nhl def we had.
We are not gonna be competitive because MSL is coaching and that we drafted a guy that wont ever score 25 goals in the NHL and a 21 year olds center who screams 3rd line at best .

Shred the cap , draft by best available and endure it. We are not going anywhere in the next 3 years anyways . Might as well get those top 5 picks and continue to develop.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Letting MSL develop Dubois for the next 2 years and not let his development in the hands of Winnipeg

Exactly. That is the main benefit from getting Dubois as early as possible. But it would have to be at a reasonable price.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Letting MSL develop Dubois for the next 2 years and not let his development in the hands of Winnipeg

Yall act MSL is the god of coaching. He turned up Caufield last season and that's about it.

He still sure didn't manage to make Anderson or Gallagher relevant. Let alone the PP

 

[417]

I don't understand the interest for PLD for this year. One more sell off year should make us enticing enough to pull Hubs home and a fully stocked cupboard for PLD where we don't notice anything leaving

Well I understand it..but there's no need to force that trade right now.

Letting MSL develop Dubois for the next 2 years and not let his development in the hands of Winnipeg

He was pretty good last year in Winnipeg...I also think this MSL angle is being overplayed, I think it's great that players are gravitating towards him (which is natural given his stature) but his abilities as a head coach, especially with regards to developing players, is still an unknown.

 

[Vachon23]

Yall act MSL is the god of coaching. He turned up Caufield last season and that's about it.

He still sure didn't manage to make Anderson or Gallagher relevant. Let alone the PP

I wrote MSL but I should have said Habs management and not only MSL.

They seem to want to develop talent and putting effort on that so it could make sense that they try to do that with Dubois since he just turn 24.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

One added bonus of our Florida 1st round pick is that the Panthers have 6.5M in dead cap this season, resulting from the Keith Yandle and Scott Darling buyouts.

So they are really operating on a 75m hard cap.

That's a hefty deadcap for a contending team to carry, and will definitely handicap their moves. Plus they no longer have much to offer futures wise.

 

[salbutera]

One added bonus of our Florida 1st round pick is that the Panthers have 6.5M in dead cap this season, resulting from the Keith Yandle and Scott Darling buyouts.

So they are really operating on a 75m hard cap.

That's a hefty deadcap for a contending team to carry, and will definitely handicap their moves. Plus they no longer have much to offer futures wise.

Duclair will likely go on LTIR giving Fla some spend margin.