HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #80

[Sterling Archer]

Dvorak + Anderson + 1st pick FLA 2023 vs Dubois.

Way too much.

 

[Sterling Archer]

I’d have no issue signing Huberdeau to a long term contract as long as it’s as it’s as heavily front loaded as possible. That way he can be moved in the later years if need be and salary won’t be an issue.

If you can get a 100 point player and help usher in your new youngsters, then you do it. Absolutely do it.

 

[BLONG7]

Florida has some of the lowest taxes, beautiful weather, and renowned management in Tampa.

Very hard to compete with that............habs have alot of taxes, alot of snow, and alot of annoying media....

 

[Doc5]

Florida’s first should be as untouchable as ours, I just hope Hughes thinks the same

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

How is it anything like Toronto? You’re not spending 80% of your cap on 4 players that can’t deliver. If anything it’s the opposite of what Toronto did. They waited too long to try and compete rather than go for it when Matthews and Marner were on ELCs.

Yes, and Toronto has some of the best players in the league, whereas the Habs don't have any.

 

[Captain Mountain]

How is it anything like Toronto? You’re not spending 80% of your cap on 4 players that can’t deliver. If anything it’s the opposite of what Toronto did. They waited too long to try and compete rather than go for it when Matthews and Marner were on ELCs.

It's literally EXACTLY what Toronto did. They tried to get Stamkos right after drafting Matthews and got Marleau and Tavares th next two offseasons. And the near universal view in Toronto was that that was way too aggressive.

 

[HABitual Fan]

I’d have no issue signing Huberdeau to a long term contract as long as it’s as heavily front loader as possible. That way he can be moved in the later years if need be and salary won’t be an issue.

If you can get a 100 point player and help usher in your new youngsters, then you do it. Absolutely do it.

Like buying an inground swimming pool when you don't have a backyard to put it in. Saw yesterday that of the 9 defensemen used in the cup run only Edmunston remains a year later, and not because the team upgraded on them. So much work development and evaluation to be done before chasing the high ticket items.

 

[McGuires Corndog]

It's literally EXACTLY what Toronto did. They tried to get Stamkos right after drafting Matthews and got Marleau and Tavares th next two offseasons. And the near universal view in Toronto was that that was way too aggressive.

The biggest issue in Toronto is that with the exception of Nylander, all of their big guns got what was considered at the time an overpayment. The Matthews/Marner deals are probably market value today, but the Tavares deal is still an overpayment.

If you can build a forward core that looks like this, you’re in a better position than Toronto moving forward.

Huberdeau: 8.5-9
Suzuki: 7.8
Caufield: 7-7.5
Dubois: 7

It’s literally 12m cheaper on the cap than Toronto’s Big 4. You can literally fit another 2 top-4 D in with that salary difference.

 

[le_sean]

It's literally EXACTLY what Toronto did. They tried to get Stamkos right after drafting Matthews and got Marleau and Tavares th next two offseasons. And the near universal view in Toronto was that that was way too aggressive.

It’s nothing like what they did. Do you not understand our 1st overall pick isn’t even in the NHL yet and we have another Top 10 pick in 2023 coming on an ELC too? One of the best defence prospects also needs to start his contract soon. So how is that like Toronto getting Tavares on the last year of Matthews and Marner’s rookie deals? You’re giving yourself a 3 year ELC window rather than 1.

I can’t believe the people whining about adding a 115 point player. It’s ludicrous. From a fanbase that was drooling because Max Domi got 70.

 

[Habs Icing]

Very hard to compete with that............habs have alot of taxes, alot of snow, and alot of annoying media....

You said nothing about the fans.

 

[HABitual Fan]

The biggest issue in Toronto is that with the exception of Nylander, all of their big guns got what was considered at the time an overpayment. The Matthews/Marner deals are probably market value today, but the Tavares deal is still an overpayment.

If you can build a forward core that looks like this, you’re in a better position than Toronto moving forward.

Huberdeau: 8.5-9
Suzuki: 7.8
Caufield: 7-7.5
Dubois: 7

It’s literally 12m cheaper on the cap than Toronto’s Big 4. You can literally fit another 2 top-4 D in with that salary difference.

They didn't have 20M tied up long-term in dead wood like we do. They also had Kapanen, Kadri and Reilly and a bunch of cheap wingers, whereas we have expensive ones that can't be moved blocking the prospects from getting playing time during their ELC"s

 

[ReHabs]

Huberdeau: [is one of the best players in the NHL]

Habs Fans who haven’t seen a 100 pt player in decades: we’re too good for Huberdeau, he’s not the messiah!

 

[Sterling Archer]

Like buying an inground swimming pool when you don't have a backyard to put it in. Saw yesterday that of the 9 defensemen used in the cup run only Edmunston remains a year later, and not because the team upgraded on them. So much work development and evaluation to be done before chasing the high ticket items.

If you never have a plan to own a backyard, sure. But with competent management, you buy the house, get the permits and lineup the pool company. If you wait for each individual step, you won’t have a pool for a lot longer time.

If you plan on being a shit team and not making changes for the better, then by the time you are good enough, those players likely won’t be available, and you’re back to square one of trying to attract and over pay to get talent, not to mention having to pay your young players big contracts as well. Smart management says you load up while youth is still cheap and cost controlled and get the elite players who want to play for you when you get the opportunity. Otherwise you’re Buffalo and constantly losing your own talent and having to rebuild to find more.

 

[Milhouse40]

Huberdeau: [is one of the best players in the NHL]

Habs Fans who haven’t seen a 100 pt player in decades: we’re too good for Huberdeau, he’s not the messiah!

Before even dreaming of Huberdeau (and PLD) we should really focus on what was plan A of this summer which was making room on our salary cap.

That part of the summer so far was a failure and it's preventing many things to happen....we can't even sign Dach. I'm not blaming Hughes, it's seems impossible to trade away contracts this summer without making a bad asset management move and look silly.

The Toffoli trade was a great trade considering how hard it is right now.

But we still need to find a way.....
Sure some ends at the end of this years, but we need a lot more than that.

 

[Scriptor]

Again, Dach should never play wing! Dubois is a perfectly great LW.

I think I will make an automated post and post it every time one of you guys put Dach on the wing. It's a crazy thing to do.

Dach comparable is Pierre Turgeon. OK? Capiche?

Dach played wing because he sucked in the dot. Why should he never play wing?

Your pool costs less than $350? It's not one of those plastic kiddie pools, is it? J/K


I'm guessing you weren't around for the 70s or 60s or the 50s?

Were you? And able to remember those years?

 

[JoelWarlord]

Huberdeau: [is one of the best players in the NHL]

Habs Fans who haven’t seen a 100 pt player in decades: we’re too good for Huberdeau, he’s not the messiah!

It's extremely funny. Apparently we shouldn't sign Huberdeau because he'll prevent us from...being bad?

 

[BaseballCoach]

Dach played wing because he sucked in the dot. Why should he never play wing?

We put Owen Beck out to take his faceoffs, then immediately sub Dach in for him. If that does not work, sign Yanic Perreault or Manny Malhotra as 4C.

 

[Scriptor]

Not done per any means. He is a good number 4th d. His advanced stats are really good last year. People saying he is done, clearly don't watch other team's games.

1) The only reason he is not signed yet. Its because he's the 2nd best Dman still unsigned and he will get more once Klingberg will have chose a team and sign a deal. Subban not being signed is not worst than Kadris not being signed. Its not because he sucks, its because they are waiting for 1) biggest fish to sign 2) for a team to create capspace.

2) Even if we wanted to bring him back. Actually we dont even have enough money to sign Dach. We need to create space. Its sure we will trade a player.

3) Plus Hugues AND Gorton both said in different interviews they want to bring in a veteran RHD. A part from Subban who do you think is available that would fit that need? There is only 3 in the UFA market : a) 37 yo Boychuk b) 35yo Stralman c) Subban. The only way we could have another RHD is through trade, lets say Hoffman (4.5M$) vs a dman making 2.5M$ and less, cause we need at least 2m$ to sign Dach. Or Gallagher vs a bad dman with 4.5-5M$ contract.

With all due respect, they aren't at all the same type of player. It's not like Subban is a plan B if you're needing a Klingberg.

It's like playing road hockey and picking teams. It's an 16-year old, talented kid VS a 10-yr old that just got his first stick.

Once the 16-yr-old is picked, it's not like you're going, well, not bad, we have that 10-yr old to fall back on.

We put Owen Beck out to take his faceoffs, then immediately sub Dach in for him. If that does not work, sign Yanic Perreault or Manny Malhotra as 4C.

Hard to do that for an entire game and entire seasons.

 

[Colezuki]

Before even dreaming of Huberdeau (and PLD) we should really focus on what was plan A of this summer which was making room on our salary cap.

That part of the summer so far was a failure and it's preventing many things to happen....we can't even sign Dach. I'm not blaming Hughes, it's seems impossible to trade away contracts this summer without making a bad asset management move and look silly.

The Toffoli trade was a great trade considering how hard it is right now.

But we still need to find a way.....
Sure some ends at the end of this years, but we need a lot more than that.

I mean slaf in the A short term will help with that

But I don’t agree with you on the salary side of things, this was always a year and change to lose the majority of the contracts. We literally will lose drouin 5.5, dadanov 5.5/ Byron 3.4 and Allen 3 by next summer that gives us 16M to improve the roster

 

[BaseballCoach]

We put Owen Beck out to take his faceoffs, then immediately sub Dach in for him. If that does not work, sign Yanic Perreault or Manny Malhotra as 4C.

Hard to do that for an entire game and entire seasons.

Guess I forgot the sarcasm smilie.

But I don’t agree with you on the salary side of things, this was always a year and change to lose the majority of the contracts. We literally will lose drouin 5.5, dadanov 5.5/ Byron 3.4 and Allen 3 by next summer that gives us 16M to improve the roster

And probably Price too, unless he somehow plays well and decides to keep playing.

 

[NewEraGM]

You know that implies you're going through life asleep?

Ok smart mouth…it’s called a figure of speech. Lol if that’s your point then it’s cause you know I’m right about PLD

Now I’m getting the responses of “oh well it’ll happen between now and the next year or 2”

Lol ok…that’s not what was being said 2 weeks ago.

 

[EXPOS123]

Before even dreaming of Huberdeau (and PLD) we should really focus on what was plan A of this summer which was making room on our salary cap.

That part of the summer so far was a failure and it's preventing many things to happen....we can't even sign Dach. I'm not blaming Hughes, it's seems impossible to trade away contracts this summer without making a bad asset management move and look silly.

The Toffoli trade was a great trade considering how hard it is right now.

But we still need to find a way.....
Sure some ends at the end of this years, but we need a lot more than that.

Bozovins gifts just keep on giving don’t they.

And to think, when I complained for the past five years about all the shit contracts he was handing out like candy and how it would handcuff in the future, there were always his defenders telling me not to worry...that they were easily moveable contracts

I wonder where those cheerleaders are now?

 

[sandviper]

Bozovins gifts just keep on giving don’t they.

And to think, when I complained for the past five years about all the shit contracts he was handing out like candy and how it would handcuff in the future, there were always his defenders telling me not to worry...that they were easily moveable contracts

I wonder where those cheerleaders are now?

Bergy left us with a lot of picks and decent prospect depth but an absolute disaster with cap.

The fact that Hughes offloaded Weber is still stunning to me. He still has so much work to do also.

 

[ginomini]

Bergy left us with a lot of picks and decent prospect depth but an absolute disaster with cap.

The fact that Hughes offloaded Weber is still stunning to me. He still has so much work to do also.

I think the Hoffman signing was by far the worst, completely useless and for a player who was 100% not going to fit in "the system" I mean they booted Tatar who was 20 times more implicated all around the ice because he did not fit the system anymore.

 

[BLONG7]

You said nothing about the fans.

And the fans, of course!! Well, at least some of them!!