HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #79

[FrankMTL]

Fair points, mostly agree with this perspective.

Things can go so many ways, right now we've got:

-No margin under the cap, with Dach still needing a contract.

-No idea how well (or not) our youngsters progress next season, both upfront and on D. Will give us an idea of what holes actually remain to be filled and how much Caufield next contract will eat up.

-No idea who even makes the team after camp.

-No idea how high (or not) our pick even ends up and who is available at our spot/what D-season they've had.

-No idea how reliable our new development pathway actually is.

So yeah, I do think next summer we'll be in a way better position to assess how we want to move forward and adress the holes that remain apparent by then. More significant moves should be expected then.

I would just love to see where this team is at next July.

Will a few overpaid vets rebound to the point where they're tradeable?

How many picks can we get at the deadline?

What can we do with all those picks (including at least 2 first rounders) in an apparently very good draft year.

Where are we at In regards to the cap situation (who we managed to trade and who's contracts have just run out incl Drouin, Byron, Dadonov, Allen)

In the position we're at (rebuilding and against the cap), I don't feel the need to force anything at the moment.

 

[Richiebottles]

I'd empty a whole lot of things for Tkachuk....First Anderson has to be a part of and somehow, Calgary might think that they have a mini-Tkachuk playing for them. Maybe 1st Florida would be enticing since it's unprotected. Guhle? I mean..name it. Everybody except Suzuki and Caufield.

This is interesting.

We would need to make the salary work but a package of Anderson + 1st + Dvorak + another blue chip prospect could work.

It would allow him to be close to his brother in Ottawa and we could sign PLD when he hits free agency.

 

[sheed36]

I really don't care if the Habs trade for Dubois or not and I'd certainly wouldn't pay the likely hefty price the Jets likely want for this guy and I'd be ok with waiting a couple years to see if he does go to UFA and then go from there. If he doesn't go to UFA in 2 years then whatever and just move on.

Not sure how much longer this Dubois drama will play out but whenever I see the initials PLD written on HF now I just think to myself Please Let it Die.. Please Let it Die.

 

[Runner77]

Man, that FLA 1st pick is sure getting passed around via a whole lot of fake trading. First, people were clamouring for an extra first rounder and now that we have one, awaye par là!

 

[SwiftyHab]

I think we should nominate 1 member who is for getting PLD and 1 member against and let them battle it out and we all live with the outcome.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Flames would probably want Slaf+Dach+1st for Tkachuk. Love the player but he’s gonna be way too expensive, doesn’t fill our biggest need, and probably doesn’t want to play here.

Nobody will give that kind of package for him.
Even if he goes to STL , They don't even have that kind of package.

 

[McGees]

TBH I like both MAG and Basu but listening to the podcast was like reading a thread on HF.

The were just using the information we already knew.

Ya but at least you don't have to hear all the:
dUboiS fOr dRoUIn aNd a 2Nd

 

[Justin11]

I really don't care if the Habs trade for Dubois or not and I'd certainly wouldn't pay the likely hefty price the Jets likely want for this guy and I'd be ok with waiting a couple years to see if he does go to UFA and then go from there. If he doesn't go to UFA in 2 years then whatever and just move on.

Not sure how much longer this Dubois drama will play out but whenever I see the initials PLD written on HF now I just think to myself Please Let it Die.. Please Let it Die.

Just be patient.
It will die down as soon as a pseudo insider links us as the frontrunners for Matthew Tkachuk.

 

[Whitesnake]

Man, that FLA 1st pick is sure getting passed around via a whole lot of fake trading. First, people were clamouring for an extra first rounder and now that we have one, awaye par là!

Pretty sure I didn't say that I would want to trade it for Zach Whitecloud.....But I always said that despite not being protected, unless Barkov and Huberdeau and half of the team gets into a non-life threatening bus accident that ends their season, Florida is not going to finish bottom 10. It still gives us maybe a 20 to 30th pick, which is nice to have fo sure. But we have talking about a rugged 6'2'' 40-goal scorer....

 

[Whitesnake]

Flames would probably want Slaf+Dach+1st for Tkachuk. Love the player but he’s gonna be way too expensive, doesn’t fill our biggest need, and probably doesn’t want to play here.

Not sure how Tkachuk is not a need....since when a 6'2 scoring winger is not a need??? Strangely, all 3 pieces you just named, we didn't have any of them before March 16. So if all of that would work financally, it's really as if you go from the team we had before March 16, remove Chiarot, add Tkachuk. We. win.

Now, that trade does not work 'cause we have to unload salary. Big time. Anderson would be in that trade. You could surely add Dvorak too. And then add the 1st. And something else if you have to.

 

[Clearedwaivers]

My final offer is a 2nd round pick. Take it or leave it, Winnipeg.

I would even quietly suggest to PLD that he be ready to sit the next two years, to ensure he has absolutely zero trade value to any other team than us.

That's how Stalin would have done it.

Stalin more likely would have just killed everyone else in the league, and then said,” now who else are you going to play for other than us?”.lol.

 

[hvac412]

Nope, it means we'll likely talk about it until next year at least
Fully agree that next year likely is a better timing for us at least.

Makes sense ,a slight cap increase and a lot of money coming off the cap next year. Hopefully we can finally also put the Price drama to rest.

 

[Whitesnake]

Clear to me though that if we have to add a kid or high pick, Calgary will choose a kid. And will want the Alberta kid. I have no doubt.

And while it would insanely hurt the D and I always say that you never trade by filling a spot while emptying another....still in 2 years having a center line of Suzuki-Dubois-Dach. And adding Tkachuk as a winger....I would obviously try to not include Guhle that's for sure. 'Cause if you do, then Mailloux becomes your go-to-guy...And you go from surefire NHL'er to big maybe....

So yeah, if you give me the choice between 1st Florida or GUhle, it's 1st Florida every day of the week.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Stalin more likely would have just killed everyone else in the league, and then said,” now who else are you going to play for other than us?”.lol.

Stalin would want the glory of victory, and he needs a battle for this. What he'd do is take over control over the rest of the league by violence and threats, then stack the deck in his favor, and get the prestige and paint himself as a heroic mastermind after his team wins.

 

[jaffy27]

... And Dach not looking too enthusiastic about joining the Habs ????

same with Matheson and Weber with their one tone interviews.....think you dissecting this a little too deep.

Think if anything, all players are maybe a little eager to part ways with the Hawks these days

 

[Takeru]

Makes sense ,a slight cap increase and a lot of money coming off the cap next year. Hopefully we can finally also put the Price drama to rest.

And most importantly, a better idea of where the team stands with a full season under MSL + whatever hole we end up filling with our '23 1st.

 

[Runner77]

Excitement with an expiry date.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

His NHL numbers have been quite consistent. More so when you consider how he was coached and treated by Torts and has changed teams and thrown into a new system. He just turned 24 and hasn’t even hit his prime yet so I don’t envision any regression for a player who’ll be on a team he wants to be, playing with teammates in his own cohort with a coach that emphasizes his style of play. As for his defensive ability, ask Mathews what he thinks. PLD completely shut him down when he was given that task.

Any player comparison you make is always a worst case scenario and not considered a more likely scenario that he stays the same and has some better years down the road. If that was the case, who’s going to turn down a 60 power forward center who isn’t afraid to get physical and doesn’t get pushed around?

To be fair, it sounds like a lot of your ideas about him are your feelings and not based on actual player evaluation and experience. He’s been very good, very consistent and players with his size and skill set are incredibly rare. I wouldn’t give up the sun and the moon to get him but he would no doubt be a top 3 talent on the Habs right now so I don’t understand the reasoning behind not wanting a player like that on your team.

He's definitely got a good shot and I like his size. For me I don't like the combo of his likely contract and the cost to acquire him, that's all.

I'm not super huge on Dubois also for some of the same reasons but there's also the other side of this coin.

Dubois is still a very good player and very good player are hard to get especially in Montreal since most of them don't want to come here when it's UFA time.

There's potential and there's certainty.

Dubois is certainty and certainty comes with big money. Only way to get them is through trade or UFA.
For MTL, UFA has always been a bad options but even there, it's always hard for anyone when a players have to choose from 6-7-8 teams. Every good teams added those players at some points.

The question really is.....how many options like that will presents itself in the next 5 years?

For sure - there's opportunity cost both ways. Luckily it's Kent Hughes' job to figure it all out. I'm glad it's not mine because there are a lot of factors to consider...

 

[jaffy27]

Excitement with an expiry date.

so that's the face of someone who's lying lol

excited to come to Winnipeg......

 

[SlafySZN]

To be fair....Hughes could've said what?
''Dach was not our 1st option but our backup plan and we were going for another player but it failed''

You’re blinded by the fact that you want dubois. If hughes really wanted him he would’ve made an actual deal, he was ready to trade a piece like romanov to get what he want in the end but wasn’t willing to do it for dubois?

 

[DAChampion]

Clear to me though that if we have to add a kid or high pick, Calgary will choose a kid. And will want the Alberta kid. I have no doubt.

And while it would insanely hurt the D and I always say that you never trade by filling a spot while emptying another....still in 2 years having a center line of Suzuki-Dubois-Dach. And adding Tkachuk as a winger....I would obviously try to not include Guhle that's for sure. 'Cause if you do, then Mailloux becomes your go-to-guy...And you go from surefire NHL'er to big maybe....

So yeah, if you give me the choice between 1st Florida or GUhle, it's 1st Florida every day of the week.

Without Guhle, Romanov, Petry, Weber, the Habs D is going to be so bad they may be many many years away from competing.

 

[Goalfield13]

So, we already had too many wingers, and we just added Pitlick to the pile. Moves need to be made to clear up spots. From the available players, this would be my top 13 forwards:

Slaf-Suzy-Cole
Dad-Dach-Andy
RPit-Dvo-Gally
Pezz-Evans-Armia
Ylonen

Byron likely on LTIR. I put Armia in the lineup for is PK skills, and he isn’t out of place on a 4th line. Ylonen (and RHP) need to earn a spot in the top 12. I am not high on either guy, tbh.

If we could get a mid round pick for Drouin at 50% and a depth RD with term for Hoffman, I would be thrilled.

 

[Runner77]

so that's the face of someone who's lying lol

excited to come to Winnipeg......

Beyond excited.

It was only the end of April when …

 

[Garbageyuk]

Don’t know what to make of this whole Dubois thing. My gut tells me he’s just using the Habs angle to gain some kind of leverage in contract negotiations or something else. I have a hard time believing a high profile Quebec born player actually wants to come here in their prime. I’ll believe it when I see it.

 

[Milhouse40]

You’re blinded by the fact that you want dubois. If hughes really wanted him he would’ve made an actual deal, he was ready to trade a piece like romanov to get what he want in the end but wasn’t willing to do it for dubois?

Lol, I'm really not that big on Dubois....really not.
It's just a fact that there's not one GM who's going to say that after acquiring a new players.
Doesn't mean that what Hughes said was not true, but truth or not, that will be the answer no matter what