HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #79

[Habs Halifax]

The only way this happens is if the Habs don't want him, either because Dach breaks out, Suzuki keeps developing, or we draft one of the big C's in the draft next year and don't feel the need.

Dubois has either put all of his true cards on the table, or he's using us to get a better contract and he's dumb af. He either truly wants to come here no matter what or he's sacrificing value off of his career.

It could happen, but I don't see it. It was a badly kept secret that has now been laid bare and you can't put it back in the box. PLD wants to come home, and the whole NHL knows it now.

We have not had this kind of luck before so our fan base is pessimistic. I do believe the Habs want him and Dubois wants to be with us. It's a mutual connection and he's not Drouin.

Hughes and Gorton are using their leverage well. Just like Gorton did with Trouba and Fox.

 

[The Last Red]

PLD is a nice 65 pts./year player with size . . . and a bit of a questionable atttitude (at least from the outside/afar). Nobody sane would give up the farm for him. He'd be nice for the Habs to acquire but he's not an absolute "must have" item. They can wait it out untIl he hits UFA and acquire him for no assets. If he ends up elsewhere, so be it. Not a huge loss. The Jets are the team under the gun here.

 

[WinterLion]

They are focused on development and drafting. They are not focused on "tanking" cause if they were, they would have traded Anderson and Allen by now cause teams were calling over and over again.

This is about letting our youth core grow with having some vets around to shelter and mentor them. And also about drafting and development with they players not on our roster.

If a guy like Dubois (1 year older than Suzuki) comes available and the cost to acquire makes sense, they will do it.

Of course they would like Bedard but that kind of management towards tanking (resting vets and/or players with injuries) comes around Dec/Jan. Remember, they fired Ducharme and hired MSL and fans got worried that it hurt our tank.

OK yes some of this is obvious to me too. I fully agree they are not going to tank... it doesn't make sense. They want to grow a responsible team that can be sustainable. They also want to focus on character players. I'm not sure why you insist they won't trade Anderson though. They are trying to clear contracts, his value is very high right now and in a few years they will want that space to sign hopefully better players. Also he is not a huge part of the leadership and they already have a vet RW on a long term deal who is a leader in the room. If they don't move Anderson, they will want to move Gallagher, no? I just think moving forward even a few years they will want to have room to add some young wingers... so why not trade Anderson now before his contract becomes an albatross?

 

[Takeru]

The reason I want Dubois is that he's an upgrade on Dvorak and is a better fit on the age gap of the growing team.

He is a good center or even a great winger for Suzuki and Caufield. He plays tough and with speed which are 2 things that Hugo want in their team

I feel like we won't like the trade : I expected Dvorak, Romanov. something else.

Now I expect Guhle to be part of the deal. Did you notice how Hughes is never mentionning him in his press comments. Even when he talked about the depth char on the Matheson trade. Never mentionned Guhle even once.

I could see Hoffman Dvorak Guhle trade to make de salary of Dubois fit.

I hope you're wrong. Giving what is essentially our best/most NHL ready LHD prospect in a PLD trade would mean Hughes folded big time.

I mean, if he's soured on Guhle for some reason, so be it. If so however, he should be flipped for another D prospect that Hughes likes better. Like, I get it, having good offense is nice but this D core needs a LOT of WORK.

 

[salbutera]

There's that but coming to a contract agreement with Kadri factors into it. Trying to make that work. Once that gets figured out, Sammy gone

I dont suspect getting mutually agreed upon contract $ w Kadri is an issue at all. I suspect both Kadri & Klingberg are not signed because destination teams have told them to hold on till they can clear cap $

Clearing AAV is an issue, no team will simply take Girard’s $5M contract w term without asking for further compensation… like a 1st round pick, which in turn starts to cause the entire process to slow to a halt

 

[Habs Halifax]

OK yes some of this is obvious to me too. I fully agree they are not going to tank... it doesn't make sense. They want to grow a responsible team that can be sustainable. They also want to focus on character players. I'm not sure why you insist they won't trade Anderson though. They are trying to clear contracts, his value is very high right now and in a few years they will want that space to sign hopefully better players. Also he is not a huge part of the leadership and they already have a vet RW on a long term deal who is a leader in the room. If they don't move Anderson, they will want to move Gallagher, no? I just think moving forward even a few years they will want to have room to add some young wingers... so why not trade Anderson now before his contract becomes an albatross?

It's fluid. Primary focus is drafting and development. Anderson is valued and signed for prime years. Gallagher may or may not be traded. Lets see how he looks this year with a long off season.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

We just traded a young NHL dman. Guhle is not going anywhere. I'm pretty sure Hughes offer is something like Dvorak + Hoffman+1st Calgary 2023, maybe B lvl prospect. If he was offering Guhle++, Dubois would already be a Habs. He's trying to low ball Chevy.

If you change Hoffman to Drouin and make it a Norlinder level prospect that would be a fair offer for a player that is leaving in 2 years anyway.

 

[Saundies]

We have not had this kind of luck before so our fan base is pessimistic. I do believe the Habs want him and Dubois wants to be with us. It's a mutual connection and he's not Drouin.

Hughes and Gorton are using their leverage well. Just like Gorton did with Trouba and Fox.

I get why fans are pessimistic, but this just feels different.

It's not Darren Dreger tweeting "My mom's cousin's mailman who does pilates on Thursdays heard from his instructor PLD might maybe kinda sorta want to play for the Habs." It's directly from Brisson (and therefore PLD).

It's created a shitshow both for PLD and Winnipeg. If there was no truth to it, they would have easily quashed the rumors long ago to avoid all of this.

 

[Habs 4 Life]

Question about PLD: his old man was an assistant with the Moose, is he still employed by Jets? That’s got to be an uncomfortable relationship during these trying times..

I believe he is still an assistant coach with the Moose

 

[Team_Spirit]

Flames & Jets fans down bad

 

[ericd]

Pierre-Luc Dubois for Josh Anderson, Christian Dvorak, 2023 2nd round and 4th round picks

Dadonov - Suzuki - Caufield
Drouin - Dubois - Gallagher
Hoffman - Dach - Armia
Pitlick - Evans - Ylonen

Slafkovsky, Harvey-Pinard, Pezzetta

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Gorton with NYR :

Trouba and Fox demand a trade to NYR

Gorton with MTL :

PLD demands a trade to MTL

hes a lucky man

 

[Habs Halifax]

PLD is a nice 65 pts./year player with size . . . and a bit of a questionable atttitude (at least from the outside/afar). Nobody sane would give up the farm for him. He'd be nice for the Habs to acquire but he's not an absolute "must have" item. They can wait it out untIl he hits UFA and acquire him for no assets. If he ends up elsewhere, so be it. Not a huge loss. The Jets are the team under the gun here.

I agree with this overall narrative. One area to ponder is calling Dubois a 65 pts center and then thinking Suzuki can get to 60-80 pts range as he matures more.

Remember, Dubois is only 1 year older than Suzuki. Both are close in value but with different kind of tools. However, if you believe that Suzuki can get to 80 pts in his prime years, that is also possible with Dubois.

Key here is the cost to acquire Dubois is something we can afford. Then the other part is how we continue to add to our pool and talent around both Suzuki and Dubois. Caufield, Anderson, Slaf and others like Roy, Farell, Mesar is a very good start.

One big need is a legit #1D.

 

[TomKosto]

If you change Hoffman to Drouin and make it a Norlinder level prospect that would be a fair offer for a player that is leaving in 2 years anyway.

Yea maybe that's the offer. I would want more if I was Chevy, at least a first. There's a lot of players wanting out in this club....I think they will rebuild soon. I'm also pretty sure an other club is willing to give a first and a prospect for Dubois, even if he leave in two years, that's a pretty good rental.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I get why fans are pessimistic, but this just feels different.

It's not Darren Dreger tweeting "My mom's cousin's mailman who does pilates on Thursdays heard from his instructor PLD might maybe kinda sorta want to play for the Habs." It's directly from Brisson (and therefore PLD).

It's created a shitshow both for PLD and Winnipeg. If there was no truth to it, they would have easily quashed the rumors long ago to avoid all of this.

100% it's different and any fan acting like it's just more rumors like the past are living under a rock.

 

[salbutera]

I'm quite surprised Nino Niederreiter isn’t signed yet.. he’d be a solid short term add to play w Suzuki & Caufield as Slaf gets groomed in AHL

Obviously Habs need to clear space - Hoffman, Byron, Armia

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

NHL is in a logjam because of the cap. Key thing to watch now are the RFA signings. Lots of big RFAs this year and not a lot of money to play with. There will be more trades but everything is complicated by the cap constraints at the moment.

Habs trades are in that same logjam. So many moving parts (or rather immovable moving parts). Should be fun to see how it plays out...

 

[Schooner Guy]

Also need to remember we played absolutely lights out and shut down everyone. Their team as a whole were completely dominated.

He's a good young player but I wouldn't break the Bank for him.

We certainly did play lights out but it's not like we were the Tampa Bay Lightning shutting him down.

I don't get the obsession with going after PLD. I thought it was completely bizarre at the time when a young kid was manipulating his way out of CBJ and now the same thing's happening in Winnipeg.

He's going to cost significant assets and cap space. I'd steer clear of him.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Yea maybe that's the offer. I would want more if I was Chevy, at least a first. There's a lot of players wanting out in this club....I think they will rebuild soon. I'm also pretty sure an other club is willing to give a first and a prospect for Dubois, even if he leave in two years, that's a pretty good rental.

Requires both futures and contracts where salary in matches salary out. Best offer we can do is this...

Futures: Panthers 1st and a center like Kidney (Grade B+ type)

Contracts where salary in matches salary out: Dvorak, Hoffman, Dadonov, Byron, Drouin. Dvorak is the logical one and they would have to pick one more.

Take it or leave it. If they leave it, we let them drown with Dubois and they will call back eventually after trying with other teams and they offer less cause they are afraid Dubois does to them what he did to the Jets.

 

[salbutera]

NHL is in a logjam because of the cap. Key thing to watch now are the RFA signings. Lots of big RFAs this year and not a lot of money to play with. There will be more trades but everything is complicated by the cap constraints at the moment.

Habs trades are in that same logjam. So many moving parts (or rather immovable moving parts). Should be fun to see how it plays out...

Teams may just flood the market by setting RFAs free, thus driving down co$t

 

[Habs Halifax]

I wonder if the trade chatter between Hughes and Chevy is healthy or have they gotten into a trade value war where Chevy is getting frustrated with us not budging?

Chevy created this situation by trading Laine/Rost for a player he likely knew wanted to play for the Habs and though he could convince him to stay. Very risky and Chevy might get very frustrated with this.

 

[Saundies]

I wonder if the trade chatter between Hughes and Chevy is healthy or have they gotten into a trade value war where Chevy is getting frustrated with us not budging?

Chevy created this situation by trading Laine/Rost for a player he likely knew wanted to play for the Habs and though he could convince him to stay. Very risky and Chevy might get very frustrated with this.

Depends on what's true. If it's true they had a deal worked out for the draft when PLD attended and then Chevy balked and wanted more at the last second to pressure Hughes to do the trade in front of the crowd, I can see Hughes being frustrated af too.

 

[calder candidate]

The 2023 draft could present numerous options to us. PLD right now would virtually ensure we have a solid centre depth.

Suzuki
PLD
Dach
Evans

If Dach takes a step up and earns 2nd line minutes, we have so much flexibility.

Dubois - Suzuki - Cole
- Dach -
- Evans -
- 4th liner -

If Dach falters....we can move him and roll with Suzuki, PLD and Evans as top three.

Evans is key to all this as he can be an extremely good 4th line centre or solid 3rd liner. PLD can slide from 2nd line centre to #1 LW.

PLD gives us flexibility and I would be all over getting him (at the right price)

The right price should be signing him has a UFA…

 

[Schooner Guy]

Question about PLD: his old man was an assistant with the Moose, is he still employed by Jets? That’s got to be an uncomfortable relationship during these trying times..

It's freaking strange man. So much about his young career has been strange.

 

[salbutera]

Requires both futures and contracts where salary in matches salary out. Best offer we can do is this...

Futures: Panthers 1st and a center like Kidney (Grade B+ type)

Contracts where salary in matches salary out: Dvorak, Hoffman, Dadonov, Byron, Drouin. Dvorak is the logical one and they would have to pick one more.

Take it or leave it. If they leave it, we let them drown with Dubois and they will call back eventually after trying with other teams and they offer less cause they are afraid Dubois does to them what he did to the Jets.

Friedman mentioned that Dvorak is quite highly viewed by Western Conf GMs