HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #79

[Adam Michaels]

Doesn’t the NTC kick in after he becomes a UFA, which he won’t in the next 2 years?

The guy was joking.

 

[BergevinBurner]

The more I think about it, the more I'm leaning towards just waiting to see how the Dach experiment plays out instead of trading for PLD.

Plan A: See if Dach takes a step forward to cement himself as a 2C under St.Louis.

Plan B: If he doesn't show signs of development we cross our fingers and hope to land one of the top centers in next year's draft.

Plan C: See if PLD will sign here when he hits free agency for a reasonable cap hit (which all signs point to him doing, unless he's full of shit. And if that's the case we probably don't want him then)

 

[Habs Halifax]

That may very well be true, but I feel like that kind of package has more value to the Habs in their rebuilding mode than keeping and playing Anderson.

A grade B prospect and a late 1st is not more value to our rebuild than Anderson in his prime and on our roster while those kids mature. The return has to be top notch for me to consider it. A late 1st and B prospect could both bust.

I know Kreider is better than Anderson but Rangers kept him during their rebuild. When Anderson is 32, Suzuki is 27. If you trade Anderson now, good luck trying to find a guy like that when Suzuki is 27 and you are looking for a 32 year old power forward. We can trade Anderson but if we do now, it has to be a very good offer. If not, we keep him to protect the kids while they mature. Possible we can look at trading him in a few years if our rebuild stalls longer than expected.

The Habs won't be a entire age 30 and under team when we exist our rebuild. If Anderson was 30+ today, that would be a different story cause he would be approaching 35+ years when Suzuki is 27.

I support what Hughes and Gorton are doing. They are clearly not just going to move Anderson for a Toffoli return cause they are thinking Bedard.

 

[durojean]

No he won't. That's the point.

The reason I want Dubois is that he's an upgrade on Dvorak and is a better fit on the age gap of the growing team.

He is a good center or even a great winger for Suzuki and Caufield. He plays tough and with speed which are 2 things that Hugo want in their team

I feel like we won't like the trade : I expected Dvorak, Romanov. something else.

Now I expect Guhle to be part of the deal. Did you notice how Hughes is never mentionning him in his press comments. Even when he talked about the depth char on the Matheson trade. Never mentionned Guhle even once.

I could see Hoffman Dvorak Guhle trade to make de salary of Dubois fit.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

A grade B prospect and a late 1st is not more value than Anderson in his prime and on our roster while those kids mature. The return has to be top notch for me to consider it. A late 1st and B prospect could both bust.

I know Kreider is better than Anderson but Rangers kept him during their rebuild. When Anderson is 32, Suzuki is 27. If you trade Anderson now, good luck trying to find a guy like that when Suzuki is 27 and you are looking for a 32 year old power forward.

The Habs won't be a entire age 30 and under team when we exist our rebuild. If Anderson was 30+ today, that would be a different story cause he would be approaching 35+ years when Suzuki is 27.

1st Heineman and a 5th and I'll take my chances finding a LW for Suzuki in a few years. Personally. But I understand your position. To me Anderson is at peak value right now. If he gets injured at some point or just wears down he could be a hassle. To me I take the money and run with Anderson because I really feel his next 2-3 years will be his most valuable and the Habs won't be good for that time.

But I understand your position too. Anderson is a good player.

 

[Aom9]

What would it take for the habs to get Chychrun?

Guhle + Anderson + pick swap option next year?

 

[Whalers Fan]

I feel like those arguing against PLD are simply stuck on the idea of having the best possible odds at Bedard. If I could have Bedard over PLD I would take that in a heart beat......but even without PLD we only have a CHANCE at Bedard. I would rather at this point take a chance on the sure thing.....PLD.

There are other reasons to consider whether PLD should be acquired now. Honestly, the 2023 draft isn't really much of an issue, because the Habs will suck with or without PLD next season.

For me, the main questions are whether spending trade assets for a 2C makes sense, and whether it makes sense to eat up probably $7M+ in salary cap for a new 2C. Between Suzuki, Dach, Dvorak and a probable top 5 pick in the 2023 draft, the Habs could be set at center. Meanwhile, they desperately need young top pairing defensemen. Would it make more sense to spend those assets and cap space towards filling that need?

 

[Sterling Archer]

Screams that they’ll sign him with tue understanding they’re going to move him to one team and one team only. That’s freaking awesome Lol.

 

[Habs Halifax]

1st Heineman and a 5th and I'll take my chances finding a LW for Suzuki in a few years. Personally. But I understand your position. To me Anderson is at peak value right now. If he gets injured at some point or just wears down he could be a hassle. To me I take the money and run with Anderson because I really feel his next 2-3 years will be his most valuable and the Habs won't be good for that time.

But I understand your position too. Anderson is a good player.

I'm basically explaining what Gorton and Hughes are doing. I see their strategy and it's clear as day. You can have your own strategy though but I'm on Gorton and Hughes side on this one

 

[Benstheman]

The reason I want Dubois is that he's an upgrade on Dvorak and is a better fit on the age gap of the growing team.

He is a good center or even a great winger for Suzuki and Caufield. He plays tough and with speed which are 2 things that Hugo want in their team

I feel like we won't like the trade : I expected Dvorak, Romanov. something else.

Now I expect Guhle to be part of the deal. Did you notice how Hughes is never mentionning him in his press comments. Even when he talked about the depth char on the Matheson trade. Never mentionned Guhle even once.

I could see Hoffman Dvorak Guhle trade to make de salary of Dubois fit.

That would be incredibly stupid.

 

[waitin425]

I think most who don't want PLD right now at a heavy cost (myself included) see him as a second liner who is more of a complimentary piece. I don't think he is someone to build around.

I agree on the fact that he would be a second liner on our team with Suzuki ahead of him. Should Suzuki reach 70-80 point range....Dubois could be a 60-70 point man. That would be an extremely valuable second liner and worth a decent return. If the price doesn't work for us though, wait until he is UFA. The beauty about PLD is he could also be a 1st line LW. He would look really good playing with Suzuki and Caufield.

I would want him for the range of 7 years at 7-7.5 mil

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

What would it take for the habs to get Chychrun?

Guhle + Anderson + pick swap option next year?

great def and still young but hes always injured and would cost alot plus theres something about Guhle that would make me never trade him that kid is special

 

[HostileCapSpace]

Never understood why people make up trades with players they don't want to see moved, and then get pre-emptively upset about said trade that they made up when it's obvious Hughes won't make that trade.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

The reason I want Dubois is that he's an upgrade on Dvorak and is a better fit on the age gap of the growing team.

He is a good center or even a great winger for Suzuki and Caufield. He plays tough and with speed which are 2 things that Hugo want in their team

I feel like we won't like the trade : I expected Dvorak, Romanov. something else.

Now I expect Guhle to be part of the deal. Did you notice how Hughes is never mentionning him in his press comments. Even when he talked about the depth char on the Matheson trade. Never mentionned Guhle even once.

I could see Hoffman Dvorak Guhle trade to make de salary of Dubois fit.

I'm not sure what will happen, but I like that your proposal doesn't include a 1st. Who knows - probably nothing will happen for a while would be my guess. The league is in a Rubik's cube of cap hell

 

[BergevinBurner]

The reason I want Dubois is that he's an upgrade on Dvorak and is a better fit on the age gap of the growing team.

He is a good center or even a great winger for Suzuki and Caufield. He plays tough and with speed which are 2 things that Hugo want in their team

I feel like we won't like the trade : I expected Dvorak, Romanov. something else.

Now I expect Guhle to be part of the deal. Did you notice how Hughes is never mentionning him in his press comments. Even when he talked about the depth char on the Matheson trade. Never mentionned Guhle even once.

I could see Hoffman Dvorak Guhle trade to make de salary of Dubois fit.

I can't see them moving Romanov for a guy they hope can become a 2C, then trading Ghule immediately after for another 2C.

We're rebuilding, I don't see the point of trading away the best D prospect in the system for a guy we'll most likely be able to get for free in a few years.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

I'm basically explaining what Gorton and Hughes are doing. I see their strategy and it's clear as day. You can have your own strategy though but I'm on Gorton and Hughes side on this one

Ok. I guess we'll see. I think they will move Anderson this off-season.

 

[Whalers Fan]

The reason I want Dubois is that he's an upgrade on Dvorak and is a better fit on the age gap of the growing team.

He is a good center or even a great winger for Suzuki and Caufield. He plays tough and with speed which are 2 things that Hugo want in their team

I feel like we won't like the trade : I expected Dvorak, Romanov. something else.

Now I expect Guhle to be part of the deal. Did you notice how Hughes is never mentionning him in his press comments. Even when he talked about the depth char on the Matheson trade. Never mentionned Guhle even once.

I could see Hoffman Dvorak Guhle trade to make de salary of Dubois fit.

Trading Guhle for PLD would be a mistake, IMO. Top pairing defensemen are by far the Habs biggest need, and Guhle is the best current prospect with that potential.

 

[waitin425]

There are other reasons to consider whether PLD should be acquired now. Honestly, the 2023 draft isn't really much of an issue, because the Habs will suck with or without PLD next season.

For me, the main questions are whether spending trade assets for a 2C makes sense, and whether it makes sense to eat up probably $7M+ in salary cap for a new 2C. Between Suzuki, Dach, Dvorak and a probable top 5 pick in the 2023 draft, the Habs could be set at center. Meanwhile, they desperately need young top pairing defensemen. Would it make more sense to spend those assets and cap space towards filling that need?

The 2023 draft could present numerous options to us. PLD right now would virtually ensure we have a solid centre depth.

Suzuki
PLD
Dach
Evans

If Dach takes a step up and earns 2nd line minutes, we have so much flexibility.

Dubois - Suzuki - Cole
- Dach -
- Evans -
- 4th liner -

If Dach falters....we can move him and roll with Suzuki, PLD and Evans as top three.

Evans is key to all this as he can be an extremely good 4th line centre or solid 3rd liner. PLD can slide from 2nd line centre to #1 LW.

PLD gives us flexibility and I would be all over getting him (at the right price)

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Can't wait for the PLD nonsense to be done so I can stop reading the same 5-10 posts ad nauseum. I know the mythos has already begun because many view him as an honourary Hab already, 'beats entire teams in the playoffs by himself', but he's only good, not great.

Isn't there some young RHD a hack journalist can pretend we've already got a deal in place for?

So you can't wait for him to be traded here?

Hughes has confirmed that he's interested in acquiring Pierre-Luc Dubois.

 

[durojean]

That would be incredibly stupid.

I feel like it would. It would ressemble a lot of the Drouin trade actually. Dubois is more proven.

It all depends of what the Habs want. Maybe they think Guhle will never have more value than right now.

It is a fair deal for Dubois.

Hoffman is cap dump. Guhle is less proven then Dubois. Dvorak makes it a really good trade for Winnipeg because they lose not that much in production and get a player in the trade that could be the best in the trade in Guhle.

 

[Cournoyer12]

I say let the teams that need to shed come to us hat in hand. We have the hammer right now, let’s benefit from it. There is absolutely no rush to let go of our young talent especially defenseman! We’re not going to be good next season we all know that. Let’s move on in a position of strength for the first time in a long time!

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

I say let the teams that need to shed come to us hat in hand. We have the hammer right now, let’s benefit from it. There is absolutely no rush to let go of our young talent especially defenseman! We’re not going to be good next season we all know that. Let’s move on in a position of strength for the first time in a long time!

How are the Habs supposed to help teams looking to shed salary with their 200k cap space?

 

[salbutera]

The more I think about it, the more I'm leaning towards just waiting to see how the Dach experiment plays out instead of trading for PLD.

Plan A: See if Dach takes a step forward to cement himself as a 2C under St.Louis.

Plan B: If he doesn't show signs of development we cross our fingers and hope to land one of the top centers in next year's draft.

Plan C: See if PLD will sign here when he hits free agency for a reasonable cap hit (which all signs point to him doing, unless he's full of shit. And if that's the case we probably don't want him then)

Mutually exclusive - if Dach “experiment works out” that would be the first time in Habs history they’d have 3-solid young offensive Cs down the middle - which would set the stage for a deep offense.

I realize Habs almost did w Damphousse, Turgeon & Koivu in mid-90s but there was a size able gap in age between the 3 - Cousin Vinny was starting to grow long in the tooth

 

[Habs Halifax]

I’ve read comments the salary cap is expected to jump in the next few years - this will surely come into play regarding HuGo’s approach to Free Agency- when and how much are we expected to see a jump?

The players and owners agreed to a MOU and the cap increases depending on what the revenue is. The threshold for the cap to grow by $1M was $4.8B. Last year was $5.2B and there are reports that was conservative. So they already paid off $400M and maybe more after last season. They are ahead of schedule clearly.

Cap is projected to go up another $1M for 23/24 ($83.5M) but there is also a clause in the MOU that says they don't want to shock the system so they will have to monitor revenue. There is a chance the NHLPA outstanding balance is paid off next season. So what happens if the cap is $83.5M for 23/24 and then it's $90M for 24/25? That's a shock to the system so they will evaluate a higher cap for 23/24 IMO. Depends on what happens next season for revenue and what kind of balance is owed (if any).

People forget that a month or two before Covid derailed things, the cap was expected to be in the $84M - $88M range for 20/21 (depending on escrow). When the revenue creeps towards $6B, the cap will be $90M and that's coming faster than people realize. As long as things continue as they have been over the last year.

 

[Cournoyer12]

How are the Habs supposed to help teams looking to shed salary with their 200k cap space?

Perhaps shed wasn’t the right phrasing, my bad!