HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #79

[Harry Kakalovich]

I don't think he'll get 8M. Suzuki is making 7.8 mil. The Habs management will continuously use that number for future negotiations even if the cap goes up, they'll use the %. I can see a 7x7 contact. At some point you have to pay for talent and bargain for mid and lower tier players

Yeah, but pay for talent at center and defense and you'll find it much easier to fill in at winger and at goalie

 

[BergevinBurner]

I don't think he'll get 8M. Suzuki is making 7.8 mil. The Habs management will continuously use that number for future negotiations even if the cap goes up, they'll use the %. I can see a 7x7 contact. At some point you have to pay for talent and bargain for mid and lower tier players

Yea 7-7.5 would be the range I'd be comfortable with.
Suzuki's contract could be a life saver as far as our internal cap goes.

 

[jrom]

The plot thickens, it seems the Jets might be interested in signing Kadri (!) Might be in anticipation of potentially losing PLD



Jets have around $14M in free cap (with PLD at 0$ currently since contractless). I don't think they're Kadri's first choice but if they sign him they'll weaken their trade position on PLD with Habs. If they wait on Kadri till PLD is resolved one way or another, they might lose a shot at Kadri.

If there's one team for which it might make sense to slightly "overpay" Kadri it's Winnipeg. They'd get a player with term, enabling a Scheiffle trade fo futures with Geekie Lambert potentially there in 2-3 years. Kadri said he'd prefer a contender but not sure Lou's NYI are his ticket (or less $ with the Avs).

Side note: when looking at teams with cap space , Ducks standout with almost $8M under the floor. Not sure what's their plan to reach it (Dru Dru or Byron ) but they're low-key tanking.

 

[Barriwhite]

I don't think he'll get 8M. Suzuki is making 7.8 mil. The Habs management will continuously use that number for future negotiations even if the cap goes up, they'll use the %. I can see a 7x7 contact. At some point you have to pay for talent and bargain for mid and lower tier players

Having Suzuki and PLD locked up as 1a/1b Cs for 7 years at 7.5 AAV would be quite the cornerstone to build around.

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

Yeah, but pay for talent at center and defense and you'll find it much easier to fill in at winger and at goalie

That's the thing PLD can play at C so he's versatile. Let's say Habs draft Dvorsky, etc. What the point in saving cap for C signings if you're already good down the middle going forward. If they end up drafting a Yager, then PLD can slot at 2C easily

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Five centers? Really? So this is going to be even better than the 2003 draft? (Which had ish 4 centers of Dubois level or better in the 1st round).

With or without Dubois the Habs are last or second-last in our division next year. If you can swing the trade without giving up next year's first, you have to do it.

This draft will be even better imo

Bedard,Fantilli,Dvorsky and Yager have huge upside but the whole 1st round has a bunch of great talent just look at all the 16 years who had ppg seasons in the whl

 

[HuGo Sham]

The plot thickens, it seems the Jets might be interested in signing Kadri (!) Might be in anticipation of potentially losing PLD



Jets have around $14M in free cap (with PLD at 0$ currently since contractless). I don't think they're Kadri's first choice but if they sign him they'll weaken their trade position on PLD with Habs. If they wait on Kadri till PLD is resolved one way or another, they might lose a shot at Kadri.

If there's one team for which it might make sense to slightly "overpay" Kadri it's Winnipeg. They'd get a player with term, enabling a Scheiffle trade fo futures with Geekie potentially there in 2-3 years. Kadri said he'd prefer a contender but not sure Lou's NYI are his ticket (or less $ with the Avs).

Side note: when looking at teams with cap space , Ducks standout with almost $8M under the floor. Not sure what's their plan to reach it (Dru Dru or Byron ) but they're low-key tanking.

They already have Scheifele there. If they're signing Kadri - which i believe is 99...9% unlikely, it's because they're trading PLD

-kadri nixed a deal to Flames 3 years ago; likes the anonymity of playing in US, and at 32, wants to go to a contender. Are jets a contender?

 

[MarkovsKnee]

But 8M for a 60 point LW? That's way too much to spend. As soon as he's a LW his value drops by several $M AAV

Yeah, no to $8m. No way PLD gets more than Suzuki.

$7m sounds ok.

 

[ganiccus]

I really don't feel the Dach trade was plan A for the Habs, my gut feeling is that the Jets GM got too greeedy near the NHL draft and tried to squeeze Hughes for more assets and the deal was nuked at that point. PLD and Brisson were probably aware that something was in the works and after the trade fell out, they decided to raise the temperature publicly to bring the parties back to the negotiating table. That being said, I would not mind unloading Dach, a veteran winger contract to unload some cap space and a D prospect not named Guhle to get PLD. Otherwise, we can be patient and run the Dach experiment for the next 2 years and see if he breaks out and be worthy of his draft selection. And if it does not work, we can make our pitch to PLD when he hits UFA status. But I think HuGo should at least attempt to work something out with the Jets, at least to show they are committed to have PLD on the team and improve our odds of signing him as a free agent in 2 years if we can't make a deal right now.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

They already have Scheifele there. If they're signing Kadri - which i believe is 99...9% unlikely, it's because they're trading PLD

-kadri nixed a deal to Flames 3 years ago; likes the anonymity of playing in US, and at 32, wants to go to a contender. Are jets a contender?

No. If Kadri went there they're definitely a playoff team though. The D while not exciting is decent. They have Hellebucyk too.

Flanders, Ehlers, Connors, Kadri, Lowry is a good start up front, which is where a PLD trade comes in. If we send them Dvorak & Anderson it definitely improves their forward depth, and adds a face-off specialist to their lineup.

Dvorak can play wing too, so you can go:

Connor-Flanders-Perfetti
Dvorak-Kadri-Ehlers
Anderson-Lowry-Wheeler?

Not terrible. Really doubt Kadri goes to Winnipeg. Only Paul Stastny seems to ever go there.

 

[HuGo Sham]

I really don't feel the Dach trade was plan A for the Habs, my gut feeling is that the Jets GM got too greeedy near the NHL draft and tried to squeeze Hughes for more assets and the deal was nuked at that point. PLD and Brisson were probably aware that something was in the works and after the trade fell out, they decided to raise the temperature publicly to bring the parties back to the negotiating table. That being said, I would not mind unloading Dach, a veteran winger contract to unload some cap space and a D prospect not named Guhle to get PLD. Otherwise, we can be patient and run the Dach experiment for the next 2 years and see if he breaks out and be worthy of his draft selection. And if it does not work, we can make our pitch to PLD when he hits UFA status. But I think HuGo should at least attempt to work something out with the Jets, at least to show they are committed to have PLD on the team and improve our odds of signing him as a free agent in 2 years if we can't make a deal right now.

this makes some sense. They also can't sign Dach - or even PLD for that matter, until more moves are made. It sucks HuGo can't get clarity on Byron or Price.

I think hoffman moves soon

 

[MarkovsKnee]

this makes some sense. They also can't sign Dach - or even PLD for that matter, until more moves are made. It sucks HuGo can't get clarity on Byron or Price.

I think hoffman moves soon

God, let's hope so!

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Can't wait for pld to go to Colorado so we can stop this

 

[blarneylad]

But I think the Jets will request a return that justifies him as a long-term acquisition.

I think that’s what they have been doing. Thus why he is still a Jet

 

[NewEraGM]

I really don't feel the Dach trade was plan A for the Habs, my gut feeling is that the Jets GM got too greeedy near the NHL draft and tried to squeeze Hughes for more assets and the deal was nuked at that point. PLD and Brisson were probably aware that something was in the works and after the trade fell out, they decided to raise the temperature publicly to bring the parties back to the negotiating table. That being said, I would not mind unloading Dach, a veteran winger contract to unload some cap space and a D prospect not named Guhle to get PLD. Otherwise, we can be patient and run the Dach experiment for the next 2 years and see if he breaks out and be worthy of his draft selection. And if it does not work, we can make our pitch to PLD when he hits UFA status. But I think HuGo should at least attempt to work something out with the Jets, at least to show they are committed to have PLD on the team and improve our odds of signing him as a free agent in 2 years if we can't make a deal right now.

Habs don’t do the Romanov for 13th deal if they didn’t have a deal set with Winnipeg if they really wanted PLD.

You think they just trade pieces around and then ask Winnipeg if it’s enough. No way. If PLD was truly their target , they would have had a deal already in place and not up in the air

 

[HuGo Sham]

God, let's hope so!

lol they might also move drouin soon. I think Hughes eats some salary if guys have one year left on their deal

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

This thread is entertaining

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[ganiccus]

this makes some sense. They also can't sign Dach - or even PLD for that matter, until more moves are made. It sucks HuGo can't get clarity on Byron or Price.

I think hoffman moves soon

Byron should just retire imo, love the guy but he has only 1 year left on his contract anyway at 3.4M. At some point, he has to realize that the body does not want to cooperate anymore even though I am sure he would like to play this season. Sadly, not every player has the chance to compete until their late 30s, early 40s in this league.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

...Smashville might need a forward and have Cap...Armia to Nashville for Toronto's 4th??...

 

[Beendair Donedat]

“Nazem Kadri, you just won the Stanley Cup, where are you going next?”

“I don’t know Bill, but it sure as F*ck isn’t Winnipeg”

“You’d be surprised at how often I hear that”

 

[HuGo Sham]

“Nazem Kadri, you just won the Stanley Cup, where are you going next?”

“I don’t know Bill, but it sure as F*ck isn’t Winnipeg”

“You’d be surprised at how often I hear that”

lol

 

[FinnHab]

No need to rush to get Dubois. Let just wait when he is UFA.

 

[calder candidate]

Byron should just retire imo, love the guy but he has only 1 year left on his contract anyway at 3.4M. At some point, he has to realize that the body does not want to cooperate anymore even though I am sure he would like to play this season. Sadly, not every player has the chance to compete until their late 30s, early 40s in this league.

If guys like Progner, Hossa and Weber who made tons of money aren’t retiring why would Byron…

 

[The Great Weal]

Instead of waiting until the deadline, I wonder if Hughes just retains 50% on Drouin and finds a taker for him this summer. He won't really have a chance to build value buried in the winger depth.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Instead of waiting until the deadline, I wonder if Hughes just retains 50% on Drouin and finds a taker for him this summer. He won't really have a chance to build value buried in the winger depth.

...Dorion might in Ottawa...for not much more than the Pacioretty, though (and not the TO Vegas trade)...Chevy needs forwards, so he might bite in the 'Peg...Anaheim needs pretty much everything, so maybe...Poile needs a forward in Smashville...