HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #79

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This is hilarious. 24 year-old scoring center and who can turn it on in the playoffs doesn't help you win games? No, you're right. Magic box for sure will.
Habs have a tandem of Allen and Montembeault. The worst defense I've ever seen since at least Patrice Brisebois first stint in MTL, and even then at least they had Weinrich I think. And you think PLD will help the Habs win the Stanley Cup next year? Good luck with that buddy
 
These two don't work with each others this off-seasons.

Of all the teams with more than $5m in cap space, only Dallas made the playoffs and they need a RD before a center.
Teams always find a way to make room, when they need/want to make room. If there's a team that thinks adding Dubois can make the difference, I don't think they just throw their hands up if they're up against the cap.
 
Habs have a tandem of Allen and Montembeault. The worst defense I've ever seen since at least Patrice Brisebois first stint in MTL, and even then at least they had Weinrich I think. And you think PLD will help the Habs win the Stanley Cup next year? Good luck with that buddy
It's not about just one year.

Good lord!
 
can you not say that? this guy would be our best player in 30 years and I WANT HIM NOW
Kovalev, especially that 84 point season, Weber, Subban, Pacioretty and Price.

Also, Saku had some solid seasons with the Habs before injuries really took a toll and of course, Roy. Then you include Damphousse, Turgeon, Recchi.

He'd be a good player for us and could be a better player than those listed.

The problem with the other players listed is they were on a team that was mostly them.
 
This is hilarious. 24 year-old scoring center and who can turn it on in the playoffs doesn't help you win games? No, you're right. Lotto number will. In 2036. Anything but Suzuki/Caufield/Guhle/2023 1st should be on the table.
He won't make us competitive with that back end...Maybe in 2-3 years, but with/without PLD next year, we will suck.
 
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Should Habs get PLD? Probably yeah. Should Habs trade for him? Probably not. It makes pretty much no sense. First lets break it down by year. Habs could trade for him this year but whats the point? They'd have to give up more assets and they aren't gonna be competitive at all. A year 2 trade is more probable but again, if PLD has made it clear that he's both testing FA and wants to play for the Habs, is a trade even worth it if you're getting him the year after, probably not. Jets have minimal leverage with other teams regarding PLD cause he's only a maximum 2 year rental.

Unless you can move a contract or two in the process, the Habs should just wait it out. No reason to give up young key pieces if the player in question will drop in your lap in 2 years anyways
 
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Since when is an overpaid 2nd liner a priority add during a rebuild? What is it that makes him such a key piece? He's a good player but all kinds of good players are available. Heck Klingberg is a much more important piece and he'd be free - should the Habs go sign him?

Klingberg doesn't give you the long-term aspect he can give you and are you somewhat under the impression that a 60-point scoring center as your 2nd pivot wouldn't be like, a colossal piece to add during a rebuild? Really? Not to mention that we've seen what this dude can do in the playoffs when he's on. He damn near beat Toronto by himself.

He won't make us competitive with that back end...Maybe in 2-3 years, but with/without PLD next year, we will suck.

PLD's productivity should hold for far longer than 2-3 years barring a tragedy or a disaster. We suck no matter what next year. That's why I wouldn't give up the '23 1st. But it's not just about next year. He fills a major long-term position.
 
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This is hilarious. 24 year-old scoring center and who can turn it on in the playoffs doesn't help you win games? No, you're right. Lotto number will. In 2036. Anything but Suzuki/Caufield/Guhle/2023 1st should be on the table.
You know what, ultimately you just like him more than I do. I see a second line player. Nothing special. You see something special in him presumably, so that's where we disagree. No harm no foul - not everyone sees things the same. I like PLD - but I think he should go play for a contender.
 
Should Habs get PLD? Probably yeah. Should Habs trade for him? Probably not. It makes pretty much no sense. First lets break it down by year. Habs could trade for him this year but whats the point? They'd have to give up more assets and they aren't gonna be competitive at all. A year 2 trade is more probable but again, if PLD has made it clear that he's both testing FA and wants to play for the Habs, is a trade even worth it if you're getting him the year after, probably not. Jets have minimal leverage with other teams regarding PLD cause he's only a maximum 2 year rental.

Unless you can move a contract or two in the process, the Habs should just wait it out. No reason to give up young key pieces if the player in question will drop in your lap in 2 years anyways

My thought is that telling the guy who's going scorched earth for you 'You're not worth the assets dawg, see you in two years' isn't a great piece of business.

You know what, ultimately you just like him more than I do. I see a second line player. Nothing special. You see something special in him presumably, so that's where we disagree. No harm no foul - not everyone sees things the same. I like PLD - but I think he should go play for a contender.
No hard feelings at all. And if I may, it's not him per se that I see as special. I think people think 'Oh 2nd line center, whatevs' but that role being filled for say the next 10 years would be a colossal move!
 
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It's not about just one year.

Good lord!
The point is the top 5 C in next years draft are all going to be projected to have higher potential than Dubois. We need a high end scoring centre and Dubois only makes our chances worse. This asset will be under full control for cheap while Dubois makes atleast 7.5 right off the bat. I get accelerating the rebuild but this aint the player or the time to be doing it.
 
The point is the top 5 C in next years draft are all going to be projected to have higher potential than Dubois. We need a high end scoring centre and Dubois only makes our chances worse. This asset will be under full control for cheap while Dubois makes atleast 7.5 right off the bat. I get accelerating the rebuild but this aint the player or the time to be doing it.
Five centers? Really? So this is going to be even better than the 2003 draft? (Which had ish 4 centers of Dubois level or better in the 1st round).

With or without Dubois the Habs are last or second-last in our division next year. If you can swing the trade without giving up next year's first, you have to do it.
 
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Klingberg doesn't give you the long-term aspect he can give you and are you somewhat under the impression that a 60-point scoring center as your 2nd pivot wouldn't be like, a colossal piece to add during a rebuild? Really? Not to mention that we've seen what this dude can do in the playoffs when he's on. He damn near beat Toronto by himself.
Like I wrote above, no I really don't think he'd be an important piece. I really don't think he's all that good, but he is a solid second line player. And the one-year difference in contract is not a big difference and Klingberg is a RHD who plays the point and is a top-pairing defenseman. He'd be a huge add for the Habs, but I don't think they should add him because there's no point they need to wait out this cap year and stay the course.
 
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Should Habs get PLD? Probably yeah. Should Habs trade for him? Probably not. It makes pretty much no sense. First lets break it down by year. Habs could trade for him this year but whats the point? They'd have to give up more assets and they aren't gonna be competitive at all. A year 2 trade is more probable but again, if PLD has made it clear that he's both testing FA and wants to play for the Habs, is a trade even worth it if you're getting him the year after, probably not. Jets have minimal leverage with other teams regarding PLD cause he's only a maximum 2 year rental.

Unless you can move a contract or two in the process, the Habs should just wait it out. No reason to give up young key pieces if the player in question will drop in your lap in 2 years anyways
It only makes sense if we can shed two long term contracts (ala Dvorak and Anderson).
 
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My thought is that telling the guy who's going scorched earth for you 'You're not worth the assets dawg, see you in two years' isn't a great piece of business.


No hard feelings at all. And if I may, it's not him per se that I see as special. I think people think 'Oh 2nd line center, whatevs' but that role being filled for say the next 10 years would be a colossal move!
Yeah but because I don't think PLD is a special player or a player that you build around, I don't think he'll be a good 2nd line center for very long. I think in 3 or 4 years he'll start to regress.
 
Five centers? Really? So this is going to be even better than the 2003 draft? (Which had ish 4 centers of Dubois level or better in the 1st round).

With or without Dubois the Habs are last or second-last in our division next year. If you can swing the trade without giving up next year's first, you have to do it.
No you really dont, I wouldnt give any of our top 5 prospects, or any firsts, or Suzuki or Caufield. Suzuki and Dubois down the middle is average comparable to the league.
 
It only makes sense if we can shed two long term contracts (ala Dvorak and Anderson).
Yeah Dvorak is an automatic. I meant 1 or 2 contracts besides that. They have 14 mil in free cap space so they could do it

No you really dont, I wouldnt give any of our top 5 prospects, or any firsts, or Suzuki or Caufield. Suzuki and Dubois down the middle is average comparable to the league.
I can see drafting a Fantilli or Dvorsky in 2023 and PLD playing LW in 2 years
 
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This thread is entertaining

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But 8M for a 60 point LW? That's way too much to spend. As soon as he's a LW his value drops by several $M AAV
I don't think he'll get 8M. Suzuki is making 7.8 mil. The Habs management will continuously use that number for future negotiations even if the cap goes up, they'll use the %. I can see a 7x7 contact. At some point you have to pay for talent and bargain for mid and lower tier players
 
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