HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #79

[Habs Halifax]

Can't wait for the PLD nonsense to be done so I can stop reading the same 5-10 posts ad nauseum. I know the mythos has already begun because many view him as an honourary Hab already, 'beats entire teams in the playoffs by himself', but he's only good, not great.

Isn't there some young RHD a hack journalist can pretend we've already got a deal in place for?

Dubois is not elite but saying he is "only good" is underselling it. It's the kind of player you want for the playoffs and he's only 1 year older than Suzuki.

This is not going away and if the Jets don't like our low ball offers and they keep him, it's only going to carry on and on until he is UFA.

Don't like it? Turn off the TV or social media.

 

[TomKosto]

I feel like those arguing against PLD are simply stuck on the idea of having the best possible odds at Bedard. If I could have Bedard over PLD I would take that in a heart beat......but even without PLD we only have a CHANCE at Bedard. I would rather at this point take a chance on the sure thing.....PLD.

As for those saying..."that's not a proper rebuild".

Well yes it is. The kid is only 24. An established 60 point centre with some room to grow. He fits the rebuild perfectly if our window for competing is 4-8 years out.

PLD for Dvorak, B+ level prospect and Florida 1st should be more than enough.

If this forward lineup doesn't represent a rebuild, I don't know what does....

Drouin - Suzuki (22) - Cole (21)
Slaf (18) - PLD (24) - Andy (28)
Dad - Dach (21) - Gally
Pitlick (25) - Evans (26) - Armia
Hoffman

Average age of what I would consider our core forward group is ... 23.12

Continue with the strategy of trading and retaining on expiring assets at the TDL to create cap space.

Drouin, Hoffman, Dad, Gally and Army should all be made available for the right price, with the goal of moving them within 2 years. Replace them with current prospects on ELC's; Roy, Farrell, Mesar and whoever we pick in 2023 and this core gets younger.

I am fully on the PLD train. Let's get him!

There's a lot more than just Bedard in this draft. I would take at least 5 players before Dubois. No need tu rush and give youth for him. There's a lot of holes in this team that need to be resolved via draft. I think we will be at the bottom for an other 2 years, and then try to be competitive via UFAs. I'm pretty sure that's the plan, just sign Dubois then if he's still available.

 

[WinterLion]

I'm basically explaining what Gorton and Hughes are doing. I see their strategy and it's clear as day. You can have your own strategy though but I'm on Gorton and Hughes side on this one

So what is Gorton & Hughes' strategy then? What moves do you predict?

 

[McGees]

Trading Guhle would be a big mistake.
He’s a cost controlled beast.
Nope.
Horrible idea.
PLD can suck lemons if Guhle is part of return.

 

[WinterLion]

I feel like those arguing against PLD are simply stuck on the idea of having the best possible odds at Bedard. If I could have Bedard over PLD I would take that in a heart beat......but even without PLD we only have a CHANCE at Bedard. I would rather at this point take a chance on the sure thing.....PLD.

As for those saying..."that's not a proper rebuild".

Well yes it is. The kid is only 24. An established 60 point centre with some room to grow. He fits the rebuild perfectly if our window for competing is 4-8 years out.

PLD for Dvorak, B+ level prospect and Florida 1st should be more than enough.

If this forward lineup doesn't represent a rebuild, I don't know what does....

Drouin - Suzuki (22) - Cole (21)
Slaf (18) - PLD (24) - Andy (28)
Dad - Dach (21) - Gally
Pitlick (25) - Evans (26) - Armia
Hoffman

Average age of what I would consider our core forward group is ... 23.12

Continue with the strategy of trading and retaining on expiring assets at the TDL to create cap space.

Drouin, Hoffman, Dad, Gally and Army should all be made available for the right price, with the goal of moving them within 2 years. Replace them with current prospects on ELC's; Roy, Farrell, Mesar and whoever we pick in 2023 and this core gets younger.

I am fully on the PLD train. Let's get him!

In my case I like the idea of getting a guy like PLD, I'm just not sold that he will be worth his next contract.

 

[salbutera]

So what is Gorton & Hughes' strategy then? What moves do you predict?

Looks to me as if Gorton is using his NYR retool blueprint.

- Target under 23 NHL experienced talent (Dach similar to Zibenajad acquisition)

- Target asset(s) on teams who want to play for Habs limiting their GMs leverage power (PLD similar to Trouba acquisition)

- not sure how Gorton intends on pulling off the Panarin UFA front as I don’t see Huberdeau hitting the market

One other point - Gorton brought in highly heralded BU head coach David Quinn at start of their rebuild in 2018… like MSL was brought in.

It’s clear to me this will not be a 3, 4, 5+ year rebuild. Even w Trouba, Panarin and Fox NYR still finished w 1OA pick (Lafreniere)

22-23 will be the last year of rebuilding IMO, it’ll be a playoff push starting next summer

Whether the strategy will work out is TBD..

 

[Habs Halifax]

One thing that comes to my mind is what is Sakic thinking? Where does Kadri sign? Rumors are the Jets are knocking on the door with Kadri? Would Sakic try to trade for Dubois if that happened and would he be able to convince him to sign long term where Dubois forgets about wanting to play for the Habs?

What would Sakic offer to get Dubois?

 

[waitin425]

In my case I like the idea of getting a guy like PLD, I'm just not sold that he will be worth his next contract.

What do you envision that contract looking like? Id be comfortable with 7 x 7-7.5. Take him up to his 31 year age, at which point he is exiting his prime and we can re-evaluate then.

 

[TomKosto]

Trading Guhle would be a big mistake.
He’s a cost controlled beast.
Nope.
Horrible idea.
PLD can suck lemons if Guhle is part of return.View attachment 570689

We just traded a young NHL dman. Guhle is not going anywhere. I'm pretty sure Hughes offer is something like Dvorak + Hoffman+1st Calgary 2023, maybe B lvl prospect. If he was offering Guhle++, Dubois would already be a Habs. He's trying to low ball Chevy.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Trading Guhle would be a big mistake.
He’s a cost controlled beast.
Nope.
Horrible idea.
PLD can suck lemons if Guhle is part of return.View attachment 570689

We are not trading Guhle after flipping Romanov for Dach. We can sit back and relax there

 

[waitin425]

One thing that comes to my mind is what is Sakic thinking? Where does Kadri sign? Rumors are the Jets are knocking on the door with Kadri? Would Sakic try to trade for Dubois if that happened and would he be able to convince him to sign long term where Dubois forgets about wanting to play for the Habs?

What would Sakic offer to get Dubois?

Colorado is so deep on D, I think they could....if interested enough.....offer Byram. That would likely beat any offer we have. If Winnipeg is targeting Guhle from us but can get Byram, it is obvious what they would do.

 

[WinterLion]

Looks to me as if Gorton is using his NYR rebuild blueprint.

- Target under 23 NHL experienced talent (Dach similar to Zibenajad acquisition)
- Target asset(s) on teams who want to play for Habs limiting their GMs leverage power (PLD similar to Trouba acquisition)

- not sure how Gorton intends on pulling off on the Panarin UFA front as I don’t see Huberdeau hitting the market

Yeah I would agree with that... getting a top UFA will be much easier once our prospect pool gets a bit more mature

 

[Schooner Guy]

Dubois is not elite but saying he is "only good" is underselling it. It's the kind of player you want for the playoffs and he's only 1 year older than Suzuki.

He sure stunk in the playoffs when we swept the Jets in 4 straight only 13 months ago. It was supposed to be his opportunity to show what he's made of with Scheifele suspended but he was ineffective. Basically invisible.

 

[Habs Halifax]

So what is Gorton & Hughes' strategy then? What moves do you predict?

They are focused on development and drafting. They are not focused on "tanking" cause if they were, they would have traded Anderson and Allen by now cause teams were calling over and over again.

This is about letting our youth core grow with having some vets around to shelter and mentor them. And also about drafting and development with they players not on our roster.

If a guy like Dubois (1 year older than Suzuki) comes available and the cost to acquire makes sense, they will do it.

Of course they would like Bedard but that kind of management towards tanking (resting vets and/or players with injuries) comes around Dec/Jan. Remember, they fired Ducharme and hired MSL and fans got worried that it hurt our tank.

 

[salbutera]

In an attempt to sign Kadri, I can see Avs doing a cap dump w Sammy Girard, wonder if HuGo would go for it?

 

[Deebs]

He sure stunk in the playoffs when we swept the Jets in 4 straight only 13 months ago. It was supposed to be his opportunity to show what he's made of with Scheifele suspended but he was ineffective. Basically invisible.

Also need to remember we played absolutely lights out and shut down everyone. Their team as a whole were completely dominated.

He's a good young player but I wouldn't break the Bank for him.

 

[WinterLion]

One thing that comes to my mind is what is Sakic thinking? Where does Kadri sign? Rumors are the Jets are knocking on the door with Kadri? Would Sakic try to trade for Dubois if that happened and would he be able to convince him to sign long term where Dubois forgets about wanting to play for the Habs?

What would Sakic offer to get Dubois?

That makes sense. I would prefer that scenario. I'm not as sure as everyone else that PLD is going to join the Habs... we've had this type of story happen so often in Montreal...

 

[Saundies]

One thing that comes to my mind is what is Sakic thinking? Where does Kadri sign? Rumors are the Jets are knocking on the door with Kadri? Would Sakic try to trade for Dubois if that happened and would he be able to convince him to sign long term where Dubois forgets about wanting to play for the Habs?

What would Sakic offer to get Dubois?

The only way this happens is if the Habs don't want him, either because Dach breaks out, Suzuki keeps developing, or we draft one of the big C's in the draft next year and don't feel the need.

Dubois has either put all of his true cards on the table, or he's using us to get a better contract and he's dumb af. He either truly wants to come here no matter what or he's sacrificing value off of his career.

It could happen, but I don't see it. It was a badly kept secret that has now been laid bare and you can't put it back in the box. PLD wants to come home, and the whole NHL knows it now.

 

[Deebs]

In an attempt to sign Kadri, I can see Avs doing a cap dump w Sammy Girard, wonder if HuGo would go for it?

They've been talking about moving Girard for so long it's kind of weird he hasn't been moved already.

 

[salbutera]

That makes sense. I would prefer that scenario. I'm not as sure as everyone else that PLD is going to join the Habs... we've had this type of story happen so often in Montreal...

NEVER has an agent let alone a highly influential one (Brisson) ever made public comments to the media tying player & destination team by name … EVER.

They've been talking about moving Girard for so long it's kind of weird he hasn't been moved already.

Being cautionary - Byram concussion issues prior to these past playoffs ..

 

[Habs Halifax]

He sure stunk in the playoffs when we swept the Jets in 4 straight only 13 months ago. It was supposed to be his opportunity to show what he's made of with Scheifele suspended but he was ineffective. Basically invisible.

I've posted about the context around that yesterday. He's clearly a huge Habs fan.

* A beast against the Leafs
* Very good against the Oilers
* Very uninspired against the Habs

He clearly wanted out of Columbus and thought he was going to be traded to the Habs. Then looked very uninspired after that trade to the Jets and fans thought he was playing injured.

You can say that should not matter and he should show up every game but he is human bud. It's very likely he brings it on our roster and if he is surrounded with talent, the results will show.

Dubois is not Drouin

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

He sure stunk in the playoffs when we swept the Jets in 4 straight only 13 months ago. It was supposed to be his opportunity to show what he's made of with Scheifele suspended but he was ineffective. Basically invisible.

Yeah he was horrible that whole season. Looked like he was done

 

[salbutera]

Question about PLD: his old man was an assistant with the Moose, is he still employed by Jets? That’s got to be an uncomfortable relationship during these trying times..

 

[Habs Halifax]

That makes sense. I would prefer that scenario. I'm not as sure as everyone else that PLD is going to join the Habs... we've had this type of story happen so often in Montreal...

I don't think we have seen this story before. A 24 year old who is a legit 2C saying publicly he wants to play for the Habs as a RFA on another team.

 

[Deebs]

Being cautionary - Byram concussion issues prior to these past playoffs ..

There's that but coming to a contract agreement with Kadri factors into it. Trying to make that work. Once that gets figured out, Sammy gone