HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #79

[Harry Kakalovich]

We certainly did played light out but it's not like we were the Tampa Bay Lightning shutting him down.

I don't get the obsession with going after PLD. I thought it was completely bizarre at the time when a young kid was manipulating his way out of CBJ and now the same thing's happening in Winnipeg.

He's going to cost significant assets and cap space. I'd steer clear of him.

Me too. People seem to be thinking that because he is 24, he is actually going to get much better, which I personally don't believe that he will.

 

[donghabs98]

I can't see them moving Romanov for a guy they hope can become a 2C, then trading Ghule immediately after for another 2C.

We're rebuilding, I don't see the point of trading away the best D prospect in the system for a guy we'll most likely be able to get for free in a few years.

Yeah I cant see Guhle being traded at all nor should he for PLD. Habs are in a good spot for this trade. We dont need it to happen and can easily wait 2 years for UFA. Winnipeg cant ask for the moon here considering all the issues they have. You have players who want to leave and a lockeroom issue. They gotta decide to either rebuild or try to retool and br competitive.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

Teams may just flood the market by setting RFAs free, thus driving down co$t

Well the deadline to qualify has come and gone so the ones that weren't qualified were already set free like Josh Brook

 

[salbutera]

I wonder if the trade chatter between Hughes and Chevy is healthy or have they gotten into a trade value war where Chevy is getting frustrated with us not budging?

Chevy created this situation by trading Laine/Rost for a player he likely knew wanted to play for the Habs and though he could convince him to stay. Very risky and Chevy might get very frustrated with this.

How much longer will Chevaldayoff keep his job and how does that play into it let alone his complete lack of leverage?

First the whole Kyle Beach saga combined w what looked like a powerhouse being built just 3-years ago which is on the verge of shambles

 

[Schooner Guy]

Me too. People seem to be thinking that because he is 24, he is actually going to get much better, which I personally don't believe that he will.

As soon as he slumps and the insane Montreal media lets him have it, he'll be requesting a trade back to Columbus so fast!

 

[salbutera]

Well the deadline to qualify has come and gone so the ones that weren't qualified were already set free like Josh Brook

I believe teams can still walk away from arbitration award can’t they?

 

[Deebs]

As soon as he slumps and the insane Montreal media lets him have it, he'll be requesting a trade back to Columbus so fast!

And that has to scare teams. Doobie has a track record of ditching out on his teams. Not a good look for a 24 year old

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

I believe teams can still walk away from arbitration award can’t they?

Oh yes they can you're right. There may be a few like that.

How much longer will Chevaldayoff keep his job and how does that play into it let alone his complete lack of leverage?

First the whole Kyle Beach saga combined w what looked like a powerhouse being built just 3-years ago which is on the verge of shambles

It's true he got off pretty easy from the Kyle Beach thing I thought because he was named in it.

 

[Schooner Guy]

Yeah I cant see Guhle being traded at all nor should he for PLD. Habs are in a good spot for this trade. We dont need it to happen and can easily wait 2 years for UFA. Winnipeg cant ask for the moon here considering all the issues they have. You have players who want to leave and a lockeroom issue. They gotta decide to either rebuild or try to retool and br competitive.

When they drafted Rutger McGroarty a little early, I thought good on the Jets for trying to change that bad culture in the future by drafting an A+ character guy in McGroarty. The Jets then quashed any thoughts of that when they picked Brad Lambert late in the 1st.

 

[TomKosto]

Requires both futures and contracts where salary in matches salary out. Best offer we can do is this...

Futures: Panthers 1st and a center like Kidney (Grade B+ type)

Contracts where salary in matches salary out: Dvorak, Hoffman, Dadonov, Byron, Drouin. Dvorak is the logical one and they would have to pick one more.

Take it or leave it. If they leave it, we let them drown with Dubois and they will call back eventually after trying with other teams and they offer less cause they are afraid Dubois does to them what he did to the Jets.

I would be ok with Dubois vs Dvorak + 1st+Kidney. Pretty sure Chevy wants more. But has you said, we have leverage, so lets wait.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

Because of the cap constraints this season, will that make the TDL more or less active I wonder?

 

[blarneylad]

When you have a player that wants out you gotta jet him. It was exactly why Hughes worked to move Petry. Not because he couldn't stay and help as veteran. But because he asked to be traded. He wanted out.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Me too. People seem to be thinking that because he is 24, he is actually going to get much better, which I personally don't believe that he will.

he doesn't need to get much better. He's already a 6'3", 65 point center who hasn't entered his prime yet. Not many of those around the league.

I think the standards a lot of posters such as yourself set are a bit ridiculous. He's not McDavid, Mathews type player and never will be. Habs aren't also paying for that level of player either. But for what he is, at his age, he's a rare specimen and he actually WANTS to play for the Habs which is the rarest of all.

Habs would be stupid not to get him, which let's be honest, is a forgone conclusion at this point. PLD will be a Hab and most likely this year, before camp starts. So accept him for what he is, not the elite, top tier talent in the NHL and sit back and enjoy. We haven't had this much depth at center for a long ass time and that's the key to building a team. For the decade long mantra of "you can't trade for a center" the refreshing nature of being able to get two in a few months, is a nice departure!

 

[le_sean]

PLD is a nice 65 pts./year player with size . . . and a bit of a questionable atttitude (at least from the outside/afar). Nobody sane would give up the farm for him. He'd be nice for the Habs to acquire but he's not an absolute "must have" item. They can wait it out untIl he hits UFA and acquire him for no assets. If he ends up elsewhere, so be it. Not a huge loss. The Jets are the team under the gun here.

I think he is a must have item. Finally someone good actually wants to come here while entering his prime. I don’t actually remember the last time that’s happened. And I don’t count Cammalleri because he just went to the highest bidder.

Plus with your top 2 centres locked down, you can really build a good team moving forward. Far easier to find impact wingers than centres. They need to jump on this.

 

[Frozenice]

If I was the Rangers I would pitch hard for PLD. Trade him for Kakko + a cap dump of some sort and try that out.

 

[BLONG7]

he doesn't need to get much better. He's already a 6'3", 65 point center who hasn't entered his prime yet. Not many of those around the league.

I think the standards a lot of posters such as yourself set are a bit ridiculous. He's not McDavid, Mathews type player and never will be. Habs aren't also paying for that level of player either. But for what he is, at his age, he's a rare specimen and he actually WANTS to play for the Habs which is the rarest of all.

Habs would be stupid not to get him, which let's be honest, is a forgone conclusion at this point. PLD will be a Hab and most likely this year, before camp starts. So accept him for what he is, not the elite, top tier talent in the NHL and sit back and enjoy. We haven't had this much depth at center for a long ass time and that's the key to building a team. For the decade long mantra of "you can't trade for a center" the refreshing nature of being able to get two in a few months, is a nice departure!

His career avg pts is 55 pts over a 5 year period....
He could be trending in the right direction, but he has been nothing special yet.

He and his agent were convinced back at his draft year, he was getting drafted by the Habs..............he was already taken and we moved on, he doesn't seem to have.
A possible big time player, but all he has shown so far is a me me me type of attitude.
From the outside, looking in..........just my 2 cents

 

[BLONG7]

When you have a player that wants out you gotta jet him. It was exactly why Hughes worked to move Petry. Not because he couldn't stay and help as veteran. But because he asked to be traded. He wanted out.

The absolute second they go public, with a trade demand, they have diminished themselves as an asset.........you as a GM can say it all day, like Hughes did, oh we only will make the right deal that makes sense for us, but you will never get the right deal or value...........you just can't.

As for the Petry deal he did ok all things considered.....

Chevy is now on the clock.............Chevy could explore other avenues, but those GM;s are highly unlike to bother, because PLD has told the world, he is going to Montreal in two years.

 

[shamrun]

I think he is a must have item. Finally someone good actually wants to come here while entering his prime. I don’t actually remember the last time that’s happened. And I don’t count Cammalleri because he just went to the highest bidder.

Plus with your top 2 centres locked down, you can really build a good team moving forward. Far easier to find impact wingers than centres. They need to jump on this.

Its so rare for players to openly want to come here that i assume this is a ploy to negotiate a contract extension.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

he doesn't need to get much better. He's already a 6'3", 65 point center who hasn't entered his prime yet. Not many of those around the league.

I think the standards a lot of posters such as yourself set are a bit ridiculous. He's not McDavid, Mathews type player and never will be. Habs aren't also paying for that level of player either. But for what he is, at his age, he's a rare specimen and he actually WANTS to play for the Habs which is the rarest of all.

Habs would be stupid not to get him, which let's be honest, is a forgone conclusion at this point. PLD will be a Hab and most likely this year, before camp starts. So accept him for what he is, not the elite, top tier talent in the NHL and sit back and enjoy. We haven't had this much depth at center for a long ass time and that's the key to building a team. For the decade long mantra of "you can't trade for a center" the refreshing nature of being able to get two in a few months, is a nice departure!

I don't think he's scored 65 points ever so I guess that would be an improvement if he could do that...

I don't know what you mean about my standards. I can't remember mentioning any.

I'm not a big believer in PLD, that's all. I don't think he's the type of player to build around, and he's unnecessary for the Habs for the next two seasons so I don't see any rush to trade for him.

I would prefer to let him play somewhere else this season and see how he does. We should have a better idea about him at that point.

 

[le_sean]

His career avg pts is 55 pts over a 5 year period....
He could be trending in the right direction, but he has been nothing special yet.

He and his agent were convinced back at his draft year, he was getting drafted by the Habs..............he was already taken and we moved on, he doesn't seem to have.
A possible big time player, but all he has shown so far is a me me me type of attitude.
From the outside, looking in..........just my 2 cents

When he plays a full season in an established role he gets 60 points. He’s done that twice. It’s unfair to count a rookie season even if he did fairly well. One season was COVID/trade, so it was in disarray. The other he missed 12 games but was on pace for close to 60 (57). He just turned 24 years old.

 

[luthar]

Probably an uneducated question but why is everyone considering Pat Brisson saying that PLD wants to be traded to only Mtl?

By what I remember, his agent said:
"Montreal is a city he would probably … I can talk about it because he doesn't have a contract at the moment - he's a restricted free agent. Montreal is a place, a city he'd like to play in. That's all I can say about that."

That only says he has interested in playing with MTL but not that he will not consider other opportunities?

 

[Sterling Archer]

His career avg pts is 55 pts over a 5 year period....
He could be trending in the right direction, but he has been nothing special yet.

He and his agent were convinced back at his draft year, he was getting drafted by the Habs..............he was already taken and we moved on, he doesn't seem to have.
A possible big time player, but all he has shown so far is a me me me type of attitude.
From the outside, looking in..........just my 2 cents

I don’t see the “attitude” the same way. He was in a bad situation with Torts and wanted out. He saw that as an opportunity to go to a team he wanted to, just as Tom’s of players do every year. They sent him to Jets after Chevy thought he could convince him to stay. He didn’t. All PLD said was he didn’t want to extend with the Jets. How is that an attitude? He’s being honest and forth right rather than beating around the bush and walking away from the Jets and they get nothing for him. Again, something he has every right in the world to do. He’s under a contract, not indentured servitude. He can chose what he wants when he’s a feee agent and he wants to play for his childhood team. I honestly don’t see anything wrong with that whatsoever and I don’t see it as an “attitude” issue either.

 

[morgan_mtl]

Crazy idea Tuesday: Find a way to trade Drouin, Hoffman, Dvorak, Armia and one of Gallagher or Anderson. Sign Kadri, Klingberg, Neiderreiter and Dach.

Neid-14-22
Slaf-Kadri-(11or17)
32-Dach-Dadonov
rhp-71-55

44-Klingberg
Matheson-Barron
Guhle-Savard

Price Allen

 

[salbutera]

Probably an uneducated question but why is everyone considering Pat Brisson saying that PLD wants to be traded to only Mtl?

By what I remember, his agent said:
"Montreal is a city he would probably … I can talk about it because he doesn't have a contract at the moment - he's a restricted free agent. Montreal is a place, a city he'd like to play in. That's all I can say about that."

That only says he has interested in playing with MTL but not that he will not consider other opportunities?

“Multiple sources confirmed to The Athletic that wearing the Canadiens’ bleu, blanc et rouge is a dream that Dubois is not shy to talk about in private company.”

 

[Sterling Archer]

I don't think he's scored 65 points ever so I guess that would be an improvement if he could do that...

I don't know what you mean about my standards. I can't remember mentioning any.

I'm not a big believer in PLD, that's all. I don't think he's the type of player to build around, and he's unnecessary for the Habs for the next two seasons so I don't see any rush to trade for him.

I would prefer to let him play somewhere else this season and see how he does. We should have a better idea about him at that point.

No one is building around him. He’s likely the 2nd line center behind Suzuki. He’s a fantastic young piece you can add to your core and grow with the team for years to come. It’s the over expectation of him that leads to the value trap. He’s not worth the top tier price because he sucks. That’s not what’s happening at all. He’s a good piece but no one is selling the farm to get him. In fact he’ll likely fetch less than what he should on the open market.