HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #79

[That Habs Fan]

Anderson, Farrell, 2023 2nd

I would give up the above for PLD. Farrell is a very intriguing prospect, but he's essentially an inferior (and left-handed) Caufield and it just wouldn't make sense to have both on our team IMHO. I understand people not wanting to trade a prospect as good as Farrell but you have to give up quality to get it...

The second is a very good asset as well, but with us having Florida's first we can afford to lose a pick next draft.

 

[Barriwhite]

I would trade Josh Anderson and a 4th for PLD.

Most things considered, I think this is fair. However, Cheveldayof will wait it out in the hopes for more just because of the history and optics related to PLD’s arrival in the Peg.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Most things considered, I think this is fair. However, Cheveldayof will wait it out in the hopes for more just because of the history and optics related to PLD’s arrival in the Peg.

I like Anderson but that is a terrible deal for Winnipeg.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

Why would the Jets accept that? And why would the Habs only offer that when they, you know, actually want him?

I think that's a fair offer. Anderson is great and he's on a much better contract than what it will take to sign PLD. He's worth a ton on the open market - Habs would get quite a bit for him if they trade him.

PLD has a 6M dollar qualifying offer. If he accepts it (which he might) He'll have a 7+M qualifying offer next off-season. It's doubtful he'll sign long-term for less than that. He's a good player but he's a second liner, and that's already a lot to pay a second liner, plus he has character issues. He's still a bit of a project in that you don't know if he'll want to leave in two years time like he does everywhere.

While I like Anderson, I think his best years will be while the Habs are bad. I actually think the same thing about PLD, but since he's younger and from Quebec, you roll the dice here and sacrifice a blue chip player like Anderson for PLD the (character) project

 

[Spring in Fialta]

No offense to anyone here but I'm a Habs fan and even I'm annoyed at those proposals.

 

[sandviper]

Why would the Jets accept that? And why would the Habs only offer that when they, you know, actually want him?

Jets probably wouldn't but it goes back to how if a trade is legit in the works, we should have the leverage. Whether it's Anderson, Dvorak or even Gally... we need to get money and term off the books.

For the +, draft pick, prospect or both, we shouldn't empty the farm for this. We're still rebuilding and we still don't have much in the way of NHL ready prospects so we can't give away our best ones since we got so many holes everywhere.

Ultimately, if it doesn't work and isn't meant to be, so be it.

 

[Benstheman]

My final offer is Dvorak, Armia, Harris and 2024 1st

Would probably sttle for Dach, Gallagher and 2023 2nd

 

[Spring in Fialta]

I think that's a fair offer. Anderson is great and he's on a much better contract than what it will take to sign PLD. He's worth a ton on the open market - Habs would get quite a bit for him if they trade him.

PLD has a 6M dollar qualifying offer. If he accepts it (which he might) He'll have a 7+M qualifying offer next off-season. It's doubtful he'll sign long-term for less than that. He's a good player but he's a second liner, and that's already a lot to pay a second liner, plus he has character issues. He's still a bit of a project in that you don't know if he'll want to leave in two years time like he does everywhere.

While I like Anderson, I think his best years will be while the Habs are bad. I actually think the same thing about PLD, but since he's younger and from Quebec, you roll the dice here and sacrifice a blue chip player like Anderson for PLD the (character) project

I like Anderson as well and agree he has value but I think you're overinflating him a bit here. Regarding Dubois, I fully agree that him trying to force his way here isn't great for Columbus and Winnipeg but I don't know if that entails that he'd be an issue here - I'd be willing to gamble on that. Besides 7M for a player of his caliber is an excellent deal and we already know he'd want to sign long-term here.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

Anderson, Farrell, 2023 2nd

I would give up the above for PLD. Farrell is a very intriguing prospect, but he's essentially an inferior (and left-handed) Caufield and it just wouldn't make sense to have both on our team IMHO. I understand people not wanting to trade a prospect as good as Farrell but you have to give up quality to get it...

The second is a very good asset as well, but with us having Florida's first we can afford to lose a pick next draft.

If it was the Colorado 2nd in 2024 I'd consider this. It would depend on the prospect.

My final offer is Dvorak, Armia, Harris and 2024 1st

Would probably sttle for Dach, Gallagher and 2023 2nd

Way too much - no 1sts

 

[Spring in Fialta]

I think we need to realize that HF has a bad tendency to believe that if you're not absolutely robbing the other a team that a trade's not worth making. Can't think like that though.

Jets probably wouldn't but it goes back to how if a trade is legit in the works, we should have the leverage. Whether it's Anderson, Dvorak or even Gally... we need to get money and term off the books.

For the +, draft pick, prospect or both, we shouldn't empty the farm for this. We're still rebuilding and we still don't have much in the way of NHL ready prospects so we can't give away our best ones since we got so many holes everywhere.

Ultimately, if it doesn't work and isn't meant to be, so be it.

No way the Jets take Gallagher. I think we're stuck with him. I think Anderson/Dvorak have to go the other way. As for prospects, I'd give up anyone save Guhle. Don't forget, we can talk about pick and prospects all we want but Dubois is 24. He'd be a core piece for years.

 

[Ghetto Sangria]

I don't think you can judge anything from looking at how good players are without looking at the contracts. It has next to nothing to do with modern sports in the cap era. A good player on a bad contract has negative value. An average player on a good contract has positive value. Just going out and acquiring good players without thinking about contracts will get you nowhere fast.

Absolutely. Dubois doesn't have a contract. Surely the trade will only happen if a long-term contract is agreed upon. I think we are set for success in this way though. Guys like Suzuki and Cole won't be getting paid 10-12 million... Dubois would probably get in the 7 range. We're not in too much danger of being top-heavy like some other teams.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

I like Anderson as well and agree he has value but I think you're overinflating him a bit here. Regarding Dubois, I fully agree that him trying to force his way here isn't great for Columbus and Winnipeg but I don't know if that entails that he'd be an issue here - I'd be willing to gamble on that. Besides 7M for a player of his caliber is an excellent deal and we already know he'd want to sign long-term here.

I find 7M (and in all likelihood it will be more) is too much for PLD. I'd rather give him a bridge contract. But even his bridge will be high. He's been inconsistent, and problems follow him. If he was signed for a few years at 5M I would be WAY more interested in him.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

I think that's a fair offer. Anderson is great and he's on a much better contract than what it will take to sign PLD. He's worth a ton on the open market - Habs would get quite a bit for him if they trade him.

PLD has a 6M dollar qualifying offer. If he accepts it (which he might) He'll have a 7+M qualifying offer next off-season. It's doubtful he'll sign long-term for less than that. He's a good player but he's a second liner, and that's already a lot to pay a second liner, plus he has character issues. He's still a bit of a project in that you don't know if he'll want to leave in two years time like he does everywhere.

While I like Anderson, I think his best years will be while the Habs are bad. I actually think the same thing about PLD, but since he's younger and from Quebec, you roll the dice here and sacrifice a blue chip player like Anderson for PLD the (character) project

if Anderson was all it took to get PLD the trade would of been made long time ago.... no way Winnipeg makes that and they will need a center in return im sure it starts with Dvorak +

 

[Benstheman]

If it was the Colorado 2nd in 2024 I'd consider this. It would depend on the prospect.


Way too much - no 1sts

I disagree. I know Habs have all the leverage, but a team can simply accept to trade for Dubois as a 2 years rental, which would still commend a good haul.

I'm pretty sure Dubois won't sit for two years until he can sign with Habs.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

I find 7M (and in all likelihood it will be more) is too much for PLD. I'd rather give him a bridge contract. But even his bridge will be high. He's been inconsistent, and problems follow him. If he was signed for a few years at 5M I would be WAY more interested in him.

If you can lock up Suzuki and Dubois at under 8 millions, you do it and you're getting a terrific deal. Don't forget that the cap is going up. 7 millions really isn't that much for what you're getting. Dubois has zero incentive of signing at 5M. That's one million below his qualifying offer, isn't it?

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

It's MTL's pick now. They can put whatever conditions they want on it.

Maybe they can. Usually if you add protection the team gets the next years 1st. But that is probably because no GM is going to wait 2 years for an important 1st round pick. They might take lower picks for 2 or 3 years in the future but not 1st's.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

I think we need to realize that HF has a bad tendency to believe that if you're not absolutely robbing the other a team that a trade's not worth making. Can't think like that though.



No way the Jets take Gallagher. I think we're stuck with him. I think Anderson/Dvorak have to go the other way. As for prospects, I'd give up anyone save Guhle. Don't forget, we can talk about pick and prospects all we want but Dubois is 24. He'd be a core piece for years.

Right, but also just because a guy only wants to play in Montreal does not mean the Habs have to pay a bunch to get him. PLD is in a messy situation (again take note), but that doesn't require the Habs to pay up to bail him and the Jets out of it.

I legit think Josh Anderson's value league-wide is not that far off PLD's. Anderson has character in spades, hits like a truck, is signed to a team-friendly deal, and players of his ilk have dominated the last 4 playoffs. There's a reason Blake Coleman's are fetching firsts and nobody wants Max Domi's, or problem kids like what PLD seems to be.

I get it. PLD is more talented. But contracts matter. Character, integrity matter. Headaches matter. If Winnipeg wants the moon let them keep all those problems.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

My final offer is Dvorak, Armia, Harris and 2024 1st

Would probably sttle for Dach, Gallagher and 2023 2nd

Done. Because if the 2024 1st is unprotected Anderson should not be included.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

If you can lock up Suzuki and Dubois at under 8 millions, you do it and you're getting a terrific deal. Don't forget that the cap is going up. 7 millions really isn't that much for what you're getting. Dubois has zero incentive of signing at 5M. That's one million below his qualifying offer, isn't it?

I know he won't, that's what I'm saying. PLD is good but I don't think he is at all a guy that you want to sign to a long-term deal

 

[Saundies]

I honestly think we're better waiting this one out.

There's not really a trade to be made here that makes sense. We don't want to give up good futures/our 1st, Jets fans are demanding our two best players for some reason like they have any sort of leverage and can do that.

Sure, trade him to a contender but I don't think him going scorched Earth and saying "I want to play in MTL" is going to help on that front, either. You can always TRY to convince him to stay but if he's really made up his mind and that doesn't work it's a two-year rental and that drives down any price.

Sit on it for a bit, let Dach play a couple of seasons and establish himself and see where this ultimately shakes out.

 

[HABitual Fan]

Posted this in a thread on the Main trade board, Considering these are the 2 players most of their fans want dealt anyways...

Not the solution Leaf fans would want , but given the Petry trade, the reality they will probably face. To clear a bit of cap space for this season and to open a spot and sign Sandin.

Holl and Kerfoot (5.5 M) 1 year left on both

for

Hoffman (4.5M) 2 years left + rights to Stapely (expire Aug 15)

Montreal fills a need on RD for this season, and breaks the winger logjam for next season with 2 players they can possibly trade at the deadline for more picks to help the rebuild.

Toronto gets 1M in cap room this season, and can buyout, trade, or keep Hoffman next season. He can help on the 2nd line and the PP playing with JT. Stapely who Montreal apparently does not intend to sign could be a decent Marlie or Growler.

This is similar to the Petry trade where Montreal took on the extra year of Matheson due to the lower cap hit compared to Petry.

If needed Montreal could probably add a B prospect or draft pick to close the deal.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

I honestly think we're better waiting this one out.

There's not really a trade to be made here that makes sense. We don't want to give up good futures/our 1st, Jets fans are demanding our two best players for some reason like they have any sort of leverage and can do that.

Sure, trade him to a contender but I don't think him going scorched Earth and saying "I want to play in MTL" is going to help on that front, either. You can always TRY to convince him to stay but if he's really made up his mind and that doesn't work it's a two-year rental and that drives down any price.

Sit on it for a bit, let Dach play a couple of seasons and establish himself and see where this ultimately shakes out.

Totally agree. PLD should play on a contender. Habs are nowhere near that and locking him down now could just as easily backfire as prove to be a good move

 

[Saundies]

Totally agree. PLD should play on a contender. Habs are nowhere near that and locking him down now could just as easily backfire as prove to be a good move

I still want him on this team and I don't think getting him now would decrease our chances at a high pick next year, I just don't feel like we can get him right now for the price we want.

Chevaldayoff is deep into the sunk cost fallacy, having traded away Laine to get this guy, and he's going to want something big back, which I don't really want to give at this point.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Posted this in a thread on the Main trade board, Considering these are the 2 players most of their fans want dealt anyways...

Not the solution Leaf fans would want , but given the Petry trade, the reality they will probably face. To clear a bit of cap space for this season and to open a spot and sign Sandin.

Holl and Kerfoot (5.5 M) 1 year left on both

for

Hoffman (4.5M) 2 years left + rights to Stapely (expire Aug 15)

Montreal fills a need on RD for this season, and breaks the winger logjam for next season with 2 players they can possibly trade at the deadline for more picks to help the rebuild.

Toronto gets 1M in cap room this season, and can buyout, trade, or keep Hoffman next season. He can help on the 2nd line and the PP playing with JT. Stapely who Montreal apparently does not intend to sign could be a decent Marlie or Growler.

This is similar to the Petry trade where Montreal took on the extra year of Matheson due to the lower cap hit compared to Petry.

If needed Montreal could probably add a B prospect or draft pick to close the deal.

Toronto isn't the kind of team that would be interested in Hoffman, they're heavy into analytics and hate empty calorie goal scorers.

 

[Saundies]

Posted this in a thread on the Main trade board, Considering these are the 2 players most of their fans want dealt anyways...

Not the solution Leaf fans would want , but given the Petry trade, the reality they will probably face. To clear a bit of cap space for this season and to open a spot and sign Sandin.

Holl and Kerfoot (5.5 M) 1 year left on both

for

Hoffman (4.5M) 2 years left + rights to Stapely (expire Aug 15)

Montreal fills a need on RD for this season, and breaks the winger logjam for next season with 2 players they can possibly trade at the deadline for more picks to help the rebuild.

Toronto gets 1M in cap room this season, and can buyout, trade, or keep Hoffman next season. He can help on the 2nd line and the PP playing with JT. Stapely who Montreal apparently does not intend to sign could be a decent Marlie or Growler.

This is similar to the Petry trade where Montreal took on the extra year of Matheson due to the lower cap hit compared to Petry.

If needed Montreal could probably add a B prospect or draft pick to close the deal.

I'm not a huge fan of Kerfoot, but I suppose this would be a decent stopgap for a year. We'd have to do something with Dvorak afterwards.

I'd take Holl though for sure.