Adam Michaels
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Habs shouldn't be offer sheeting anyone. They can't afford to give up multiple draft picks right now.
HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #79
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Habs shouldn't be offer sheeting anyone. They can't afford to give up multiple draft picks right now.
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Depends what cheap means. If some of the reported interactions are true, we may not be at that point and may never be.
Dubois is not a make or break acquisition for us, but we have lived through 10 years of "centers are too hard to trade for". I'm not willing to hope and pray for a draft winner. If it comes, great, and we move one of our still young Cs to the wing or trade him for a great return..
So I am willing to pay a fair price for Dubois or any other 24 year old 60 point C with size. Doesn't have to be "cheap" and definitely should not be too high and mess up our build.
A center with potential 1C capabilities who is Quebecois and WANTS to play in Montreal?
What is there not to like?
What is there not to like?
Captain Mountain
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Don't have the cap space, aren't competing now and probably shouldn't pick a fight with one of the few richer teams than them.
What worries some fans is precisely that you included that he is Québecois. This reasoning leads some to fear that people want an overpayment to make sure he comes. So then the opponents use the term "entitled Québecois" and all rational focus is lost.
Let me know when people start fawning over the 28 year old former 1st round pick Québecer we actually got in exchange for for an entitled and disgruntled American. He's on the team, where is the parade?
BLONG7
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Gutting our team/prospects....?
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It’s easy to fall into the trap of guilt by association and painting a whole fan base with the same brush, on these forums. Fortunately, it’s a minority on every forum. It only gets toxic when you don’t see anyone challenging some pretty insane assertions.
I think this could happen on any forum, sadly.
Wasn’t a fan of the events leading to PLD’s departure in Columbus but I don’t blame him as much for Winnipeg. He hasn’t quit on them, but just point blank said he has no intention to stay.
Also, over the years, a lot of reports of their dressing room being really toxic. True or not, I don’t know but these reports weren’t isolated. Not sure if this affected PLD, or perhaps he didn’t help it himself more recently.
Anyhow, he’s the one who essentially gave us the leverage so if a trade becomes a reality, we hopefully don’t give up a lot.
Also, over the years, a lot of reports of their dressing room being really toxic. True or not, I don’t know but these reports weren’t isolated. Not sure if this affected PLD, or perhaps he didn’t help it himself more recently.
Anyhow, he’s the one who essentially gave us the leverage so if a trade becomes a reality, we hopefully don’t give up a lot.
Vachon23
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Since when a player that just turn 24 last week is a finish product ?
I can assure you there will be no gutting.
A late first, Dvorak, a later pick plus a D prospect not named Guhle or any player from the 23 draft is not gutting.
Even if we traded Norlinder and Struble, we still Guhle, Xhekaj, Hutson, Harris deep on the left in prospects alone.
They can have one of Farrell, Kidney, Mysak or Roy…..we still haveBeck, Mesar deep of prospects in that mole.
Think it’s time for Winnipeg to gut their team, trade Wheelers and Scheifele, Dubois, time for a mini reset!
MarioLeMoose
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Lol yeah it is false!
All I said was that PLD was a player who has a similar level of upside as Suzuki, and he wants to be a Hab.
I get it though, people get their back up to defend Nick. I would too, he’s our most valuable asset, our best player, and he has spent his summer campaigning to be our Captain. I can’t wait to see Nick have the C on his chest, he deserves it
Milhouse40
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There will be no offer sheet place by the Habs.....they can't even sign Dach, with what money could they do an offer sheet?
Adam Michaels
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Nothing.
To me, the only thing that could not be liked is the potential cost to acquire him. If the cost isn't much, go for it. If the cost is too much, then they can keep him.
MarioLeMoose
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No need to gut our team/prospects. If we cannot get him now for Dvorak/Anderson + FLA 1, and a B prospect (ylonen, norlinder) then we walk away and take our chances on signing him in 2 years.
Usually Brisson doesn't do this type of thing, my take is that Chevy screwed up big time by not taking the deal proposed at the NHL draft and Brisson is pissed off and is now turning the heat to get Dubois out of Winnipeg. As well, Hughes didn't seem particularly ecstatic when Bettman announced the trades for Dach, I bet he was plan B after the Dubois trade fell through.
Dvorak + prospect (not named Guhle, Farrell, Hutson, Slafkovsky) + Flo1 (top10 protected). I wouldnt give one penny more.
Probably Jets refused, then so be it. PLD is a 2nd line center with attitude problem who wants to quit on his 2nd team on a 3 years spawn, they have NO leverage.
I'd rather sign him as a UFA in 2 years if he is, then waisting good assets on him. No way I trade Dach, Anderson, Caufield, Suzuki or a good 1st round pick for a guy like that.
Probably Jets refused, then so be it. PLD is a 2nd line center with attitude problem who wants to quit on his 2nd team on a 3 years spawn, they have NO leverage.
I'd rather sign him as a UFA in 2 years if he is, then waisting good assets on him. No way I trade Dach, Anderson, Caufield, Suzuki or a good 1st round pick for a guy like that.
Milhouse40
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The contract attach to him
The cost of acquire him
I would also add that I'm not as big as many here on Dubois but I'm not against it either, it's all a matter of those 2 things.
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24 is usually peak production for NHL forwards on average statistically. Plus he will be getting paid like a finished product so he better not be a project. Are you saying you're expecting him to greatly improve? It's not impossible, but it's statistically unlikely.
The Florida 1st is untouchable for me. Untouchable. Unless it is valued like David Pastrnak.
I'd save the Offersheet for next summer and Laf. Rags will be in tight on the cap.
PLD will be coming home and we are completely in the drivers seat on this. Offer the Jets a decent package now, or wait 2 years for UFA. Either way this is a perfect scenario for this.
Dvorak + Norlinder/Kidney + Florida 1st should get it done
Suzuki
PLD
Dach
Evans
Fantastic centre depth
NORiculous
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I don’t think he is a true 1C, his ceiling is too low. He can fill the 1C role when injury hits but he is better placed on the 2nd line for a team that wants to compete for the cup on a regular basis.
Adam Michaels
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Personally, the cost to acquire him is the big question for me. The contract doesn't concern me much because I would rather have guys like Suzuki, PLD, and Caufield take up the cap space than Hoffman, Armia, and Gallagher.
And with the cap set to go up significantly over the next few years, those contracts will have less of an impact on the team's cap.
MarioLeMoose
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I meant to add that I would top 10 protect it, but fair enough!
Looking like its going to be a great 1st round in 2023
But the question is how are they going to cover Dubois' contract now. 7-8 million in contracts would have to go the other way. It's possible that Montreal couldn't make the trade on draft day because it was conditional on a Petry trade to open up cap space that fell through. Now it's possible that they need to move Hoffman in order to have enough cap space to do a Dubois deal.
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