HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #79

[DubDub]

People were saying we needed to score more goals so he went and got a goal scorer, i understand the move even if it's a dumb one to be honest. He just didn't thought about the fact that you get a guy like that when you have a pretty complete team with playmakers.

He basically got him for the PP. Still a dumb move considering what he was paying him . He was buried on the depth chart , the contract never made any sense imo.

 

[Milhouse40]

Michel Goulet.

Good one....but let's keep it in this century

 

[MarkovsKnee]

First he's quit on 2 teams so his motivation is in question.

Second he's a second line player and the Habs suck and are rebuilding - so he's not very important.

Plus he promises to be expensive to acquire and expensive to sign.

I know the exact moment PLD wanted out in Columbus and that was the play-in series vs Toronto when Torts & PLD went at each other on the bench. He was a 21 year old kid who was one of the best players in that series and Torts singled him out. His trade request was made that summer.

Then they shipped him to Winnipeg, who has one of the worst dressing rooms in hockey (so rumoured). It's not like he's asked to be traded from 2 great organizations.

The Torts-PLD moment:

 

[Adam Michaels]

Edmonton is up against the cap. How can they afford 4.5M?

Only way I see Edmonton fit Hoffman's 4.5M is if they send Barrie the other way.

Both Hoffman and Barrie have 2 years left on their deals at 4.5M. So the money would be the same. One team addresses their wing depth and the other gets the RD to replace Petry.

Barrie was their 3RD in the playoffs. Evan Bouchard and Codi Ceci were ahead of him in the playoffs. They might prefer to let go of a 3rd pairing D making 4.5M and bring in a winger for the same cap and term, which is an area they want to address.

 

[themilosh]

Hoffman is really one of Bergevin's dumbest acquisitions.

He was paid 4.5 million/year to be a winger behind Toffoli, Anderson, Gallagher, Caulfield, ... So somewhere in the bottom six with Lehkonen, Armia, Byron, and Drouin.

Do you think MB had any idea about how cap management works, or was he simply handing out contracts like candy on Halloween?

I bet he wouldnt even understand how to read cap-friendly

 

[le_sean]

I know the exact moment PLD wanted out in Columbus and that was the play-in series vs Toronto when Torts & PLD went at each other on the bench. He was a 21 year old kid who was one of the best players in that series and Torts singled him out. His trade request was made that summer.

Then they shipped him to Winnipeg, who has one of the worst dressing rooms in hockey (so rumoured). It's not like he's asked to be traded from 2 great organizations.

The Torts-PLD moment:

I get pushing a young guy to try and be great, but Torts seems to think he’s JK Simmons in Whiplash sometimes. You think you can uncover greatness but in the end you’re only trying to serve your own narcissism in a violent way.

PLD only deserved positive reinforcement in that series. He was a monster.

 

[McPhees Moustache]

Edmonton is up against the cap. How can they afford 4.5M?

They have ~6.5M on IR with a few RFA's to sign - would have to be some money coming back or salary retention

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Yuck I don't want Barrie. thats 5 old dman in the lineup and pretty much no spot for 2 kids.

 

[McPhees Moustache]

Yuck I don't want Barrie. thats 5 old dman in the lineup and pretty much no spot for 2 kids.

a lot of other teams are probably saying the same thing about Hoffman - there aren't a lot of teams looking to compete this year that have 5.5M to spend on a one dimensional scoring 2nd/3rd line winger

 

[Adam Michaels]

First he's quit on 2 teams so his motivation is in question.

Second he's a second line player and the Habs suck and are rebuilding - so he's not very important.

Plus he promises to be expensive to acquire and expensive to sign.

He didn't quit on Winnipeg. He has the right to let them know he has no intention of signing an extension with them. That's not quitting on them. That's giving them a heads up.

Also, he is not a second line player. He was Columbus' 1C and as the Jets Athletic beat reporter Murat Ates said on Marinaro's podcast, he and Scheifele were 1A and 1B. And he also said for most of the season, PLD was the most dominant player on the Jets. That doesn't sound like a second line player.

 

[CAUFIELD]

Yuck I don't want Barrie. thats 5 old dman in the lineup and pretty much no spot for 2 kids.

For Hoffman..I take Barrie any time of the week

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

a lot of other teams are probably saying the same thing about Hoffman - there aren't a lot of teams looking to compete this year that have 5.5M to spend on a one dimensional scoring 2nd/3rd line winger

rather have Hoffman then , Barrie is useless and his production is just because of Mcdavid and Drai

Edit : The last thing Edmonton needs are wingers.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Habs should look at bringing Tyler Pitlick back for Laval. Big body, decent wheels and good at being a tweener of AHL and NHL 4th line.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

How did he quit on Winnipeg? By scoring 28 g and 60 pts ?
You’re confusing quitting and not wanting to signing long term with the jets
He hardly quit on the jets he simply doesn’t wanna spend the prime of his career in Winnipeg

I would say you're confusing not wanting to sign long-term with leaking information to force a trade

 

[McPhees Moustache]

rather have Hoffman then , Barrie is useless and his production is just because of Mcdavid and Drai

Fair enough - I just wouldn't expect any kind of return. The way cap space has been valued right now I can't see Hoffman moving without some kind of sweetener or a questionable contract coming back

 

[A Loyal Demidog]

At least Dubois isn’t toying with the Jets, like Gaudreau did with the Flames and Tavares with the Isles. The problem was the Jets Athletic writer put PLD on the spot & suddenly PLD is the big, bad villain. I think it’s high time a top Quebecer talent wants to play for the Habs.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Arizona for cap?

Chicago. They’re doing everything possible to get Bedard.

I would refrain from dealing with Arizona or Chicago in any deal to try and dump a contract. Both of them will ask for incentive, whether it' a draft pick or two or a pick and a prospect.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

He didn't quit on Winnipeg. He has the right to let them know he has no intention of signing an extension with them. That's not quitting on them. That's giving them a heads up.

Also, he is not a second line player. He was Columbus' 1C and as the Jets Athletic beat reporter Murat Anes said on Marinaro's podcast, he and Scheifele were 1A and 1B. And he also said for most of the season, PLD was the most dominant player on the Jets. That doesn't sound like a second line player.

You're entitled to your opinion Adam. I'm entitled to mine. My opinion is that PLD is a second-liner who has twice now tried to force a trade from his team

 

[Hannibal]

I hope Bob is right and i hope it’s Dubois.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

I hope Bob is right and i hope it’s Dubois.

Bobby Mac ?

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

I would refrain from dealing with Arizona or Chicago in any deal to try and dump a contract. Both of them will ask for incentive, whether it' a draft pick or two or a pick and a prospect.

id give 2 3rd to get rid of him not gonna lie. Waste of salary.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I agree with your goal. If Dubois goes to UFA, we decide THEN what to do, not alter our plans NOW and wait for him.

While I like the idea of locking in a 2C as we build, and am not opposed to forgetting about a focus on Bedard, it isn't even my first priority. My first priority is a 1D.

I’m flexible. But we don’t know what the jets are really asking so we can only guess.

I’m ok with letting them drown with Dubois. However, I’m not thinking about Bedard until December or January.

100% agree we need a #1D who really turns the needle on the PP and is not a liability in our own

 

[McPhees Moustache]

rather have Hoffman then , Barrie is useless and his production is just because of Mcdavid and Drai

Edit : The last thing Edmonton needs are wingers.

Puljujarvi has requested a trade again so they are potentially looking for a middle six winger

 

[Runner77]

He didn't quit on Winnipeg. He has the right to let them know he has no intention of signing an extension with them. That's not quitting on them. That's giving them a heads up.

Also, he is not a second line player. He was Columbus' 1C and as the Jets Athletic beat reporter Murat Ates said on Marinaro's podcast, he and Scheifele were 1A and 1B. And he also said for most of the season, PLD was the most dominant player on the Jets. That doesn't sound like a second line player.

Would PLD be a 1st line center on most teams? That would provide a fairer appreciation rather than just looking at how he was used by the two teams he was on.

 

[DubDub]

Bobby Mac ?

@Incarceratedbob - twitter post