HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #79

[cphabs]

100%, he would be a core piece to our young forward group and will be integral to our future success.

Plus, there is a ton of unknowns about the future. What if he gets a huge injury in the next two years? Breakouts into a PPG player and chases a huge payday.

It's a much much safer option to trade for him now and lock him up long term.

Like Drouin?

 

[Tyson]

Barron will be at least second pairing (3/4) for sure.


Thats why I wouldnt trade any 1st round picks, this team needs to keep filling the cupboard. In a few years when they develop and the team has cap space they will reap the rewards. These guy will eventually play and/or they can move some of them to fill needs. They are only a couple of years from being such a spot.

Hope Hugo is patient and stays the course. Do this right and this team will be good for a long time.

I think Hugo is in it for the long game.
No way they divert off course.
Finally a professionally run organization

 

[yianik]

Surprised to hear Yzerman is calling for Drouin after the fiasco in Tampa.

Yeah, Yzerman will probably be surprised too.

 

[Hannibal]

Comon Hughes, make it work!!

There is a lot of smoke.

 

[Essenege]

You can get PLD and still tank if it’s your desire. Trade Allen and give lots of games to montembeault/Primeau. Trade Pretry. Bingo, your back end sucks even more, Dubois instead of Dvo doesn’t tip the scale.

Having a 27-28 y/o prime PLD as 1B center when we enter contention in 3-4 years would be a difference maker. Good possession player, reasonable production last year despite career low S%. He’s underrated.

 

[Habby4Life]

I think Hugo is in it for the long game.
No way they divert off course.
Finally a professionally run organization

Yep, and if does so, we the fans will get to watch a very good team for a long time.

I think he will avoid the temptations to rush this along. I know there is a segment of the media and the fanbase that want to sign this guy, that guy which would be a big mistake.

I finally feel we are on the right track and can a better future.

Hugo has accomplished a lot in a very short time.

 

[DAChampion]

Surprised to hear Yzerman is calling for Drouin after the fiasco in Tampa.

Link?

 

[Tyson]

Yep, and if does so, we the fans will get to watch a very good team for a long time.

I think he will avoid the temptations to rush this along. I know there is a segment of the media and the fanbase that want to sign this guy, that guy which would be a big mistake.

I finally feel we are on the right track and can a better future.

Hugo has accomplished a lot in a very short time.

Absolutely and the one thing he has shown me and it's very important....Competence

I trust him

 

[Runner77]

I believe this gets done one way or the other and it gets done this summer.

There is a lot of smoke, the parties were close at the draft and talks resumed this week for a reason.

I believe Dubois’ camp are trying to force the Jets’ hand however, I was never a fan of players who openly discuss plans or hopes of playing for another team. It is clear in this instance that it’s not the Jets who leaked Dubois’ preference for Montreal but Dubois himself:

"Here is what I believe to be true about Dubois. I believe he quite sincerely does hope to test the UFA market in 2024. I believe he would like to play in Montreal in the long run and has not been shy about expressing that within team circles. I don’t think telling the Jets about his UFA plans is posturing in the slightest; I think it is the truth."

Quote comes from an Athletic article by Murat Ates from June 24th that was already mentioned here and that’s behind a paywall: Ates: Jets' uncertainty about core's future won't be solved by new coach

Couldn’t Dubois just have chosen to keep it between himself, his agent and the Jets? I think the Jets lose some leverage here — how could they want someone in their dressing who is openly stating that he wants to play for another team?

I’m not saying the Jets are going to give him away but they may just have to trade him before the start of the season, whether it’s to the Habs or someone else.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

I believe this gets done one way or the other and it gets done this summer.

There is a lot of smoke, the parties were close at the draft and talks resumed this week for a reason.

I believe Dubois’ camp are trying to force the Jets’ hand however, I was never a fan of players who openly discuss plans or hopes of playing for another team. It is clear in this instance that it’s not the Jets who leaked Dubois’ preference for Montreal but Dubois himself:

"Here is what I believe to be true about Dubois. I believe he quite sincerely does hope to test the UFA market in 2024. I believe he would like to play in Montreal in the long run and has not been shy about expressing that within team circles. I don’t think telling the Jets about his UFA plans is posturing in the slightest; I think it is the truth."

Quote comes from an Athletic article by Murat Ates from June 24th that was already mentioned here and that’s behind a paywall: Ates: Jets' uncertainty about core's future won't be solved by new coach

Couldn’t Dubois just have chosen to keep it between himself, his agent and the Jets? I think the Jets lose some leverage here — how could they want someone in their dressing who is openly stating that he wants to play for another team?

I’m not saying the Jets are going to give him away but they may just have to trade him before the start of the season, whether it’s to the Habs or someone else.

hes smart he doesnt want the Habs to pay much for him we need to keep our best assets

 

[Mikah]

What if Dach or Mesar (or both) turn out to be top 2C? What if we draft Bedard in 2023? What do we do with a PLD that we don't need with a massive contract? What if he busts and we can no longer trade him away?

If he really wants to play in Montreal, I'd say we get him for free in two years, IF we need him then.

Getting him at a decent price now would be fine. Overpaying for him now does not make sense.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Link?

 

[BehindTheTimes]

I'm fine with plan B.

I'd prefer to give Dach a look than do anything for PLD. I'm not a huge fan of PLD and locking him into a long term deal north 0f 7million is the type of decisions that led us to the current cap mess situation we are in. Overpaying for good, not great players. I pass on PLD, let him quit on another team, somewhere else.

 

[Sterling Archer]

I'd prefer to give Dach a look than do anything for PLD. I'm not a huge fan of PLD and locking him into a long term deal north 0f 7million is the type of decisions that led us to the current cap mess situation we are in. Overpaying for good, not great players. I pass on PLD, let him quit on another team, somewhere else.

Why not both?
Suzuki PLD and Dach gives them all the best shot at success. Slots everyone nicely and spreads out responsibility

 

[DAChampion]

What if Dach or Mesar (or both) turn out to be top 2C? What if we draft Bedard in 2023? What do we do with a PLD that we don't need with a massive contract? What if he busts and we can no longer trade him away?

If he really wants to play in Montreal, I'd say we get him for free in two years, IF we need him then.

Getting him at a decent price now would be fine. Overpaying for him now does not make sense.

Centers can be converted to wing, and it's irrational to plan on the Habs drafting Bedard.

 

[Habs Halifax]

It sounds nice and all but I don’t expect to get PLD for a dime on the dollar. If we do, then I’ll definitely come back and give you the shoutout.


Tough one, Barron is the better defenseman now but Mailloux is like our Slaf on Defense. He’s a physical specimen with great skating that has the potential to be a 1D. Having said that, I still think Barron has barely scratched his surface. Tough one.

I'm not expecting it but that's the leverage play. Otherwise, let them drown with Dubois until UFA. I don't deserve props if it happens. I'm just talking about the circumstance. Some fans think I know it will happen. Not really the case.

I think I probably say no to trading either or Barron or Mailloux. But then a part of me wonders... We would have said the same about Beaulieu and Tinordi when our D was thin back when. Not saying they turn into them but something to ponder. Very risky to trades guys that early though. Sergachev factor

 

[HabzSauce]

If we are going to trade for Dubois, Dach is almost certainly going the other way. So, in that sense, he's simultaneously a backup plan and a facilitator.

Wouldnt mind to be honest. I hope Dach pans out but he is still such a project. Really tough to project.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Another angle. Dvorak, Mailloux, Kidney and a cap contract to equal $7M in and $7M out. Laugh at it all you want, it's a leverage offer.

Who would move Mailloux and who would not? RD is thin

I wouldn’t. RD is thin as you said, and Mailloux has a massive ceiling and his value is as low as it’s going to be.

 

[LaP]

Centers can be converted to wing, and it's irrational to plan on the Habs drafting Bedard.

Can always be traded for a dman too. Center is one of the most sought position in hockey.

 

[HabzSauce]

Another angle. Dvorak, Mailloux, Kidney and a cap contract to equal $7M in and $7M out. Laugh at it all you want, it's a leverage offer.

Who would move Mailloux and who would not? RD is thin

I think I would rather ship out FLA 2023 1st than trade any of our prospects - especially our RD ones.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

You can get PLD and still tank if it’s your desire. Trade Allen and give lots of games to montembeault/Primeau. Trade Pretry. Bingo, your back end sucks even more, Dubois instead of Dvo doesn’t tip the scale.

Having a 27-28 y/o prime PLD as 1B center when we enter contention in 3-4 years would be a difference maker. Good possession player, reasonable production last year despite career low S%. He’s underrated.

He's overrated imo. We can do better than him, I'm out unless we can Fleece Winnipeg and since the deal didn't go down t the draft I believe that their asking price is more than I'm willing to give for a meh center, borderline winger.

 

[Tyson]

I believe this gets done one way or the other and it gets done this summer.

There is a lot of smoke, the parties were close at the draft and talks resumed this week for a reason.

I believe Dubois’ camp are trying to force the Jets’ hand however, I was never a fan of players who openly discuss plans or hopes of playing for another team. It is clear in this instance that it’s not the Jets who leaked Dubois’ preference for Montreal but Dubois himself:

"Here is what I believe to be true about Dubois. I believe he quite sincerely does hope to test the UFA market in 2024. I believe he would like to play in Montreal in the long run and has not been shy about expressing that within team circles. I don’t think telling the Jets about his UFA plans is posturing in the slightest; I think it is the truth."

Quote comes from an Athletic article by Murat Ates from June 24th that was already mentioned here and that’s behind a paywall: Ates: Jets' uncertainty about core's future won't be solved by new coach

Couldn’t Dubois just have chosen to keep it between himself, his agent and the Jets? I think the Jets lose some leverage here — how could they want someone in their dressing who is openly stating that he wants to play for another team?

I’m not saying the Jets are going to give him away but they may just have to trade him before the start of the season, whether it’s to the Habs or someone else.

Based on some articles I have read the Jets lockeroom is not a very good one. Laine wanted out because of the treatment he received from Wheeler and Shitfly.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I wouldn’t. RD is thin as you said, and Mailloux has a massive ceiling and his value is as low as it’s going to be.

I'm leaning that way too. For as much as I like Dubois, I rather use pieces like Dach, Panthers 1st, and Kidney. Dvorak is in the package regardless.

Norlinder might be the better play but they won't value him that high.

 

[cphabs]

I disagree with this thinking.

A good young player wants to be traded to the Habs. He has the physical profile, the age profile, and production/skills to instantly become a serious contributor.

You turn your nose down at that because you prefer to keep a first round pick or two? Why is that exactly — because we hit on our first round picks so often, or because we have too many productive, big hitter, local players?

Capped league…

 

[Runner77]

hes smart he doesnt want the Habs to pay much for him we need to keep our best assets

We’ll see how smart he really is. Assuming he gets here, if we follow his usual pattern, he’ll find something that bothers him by his second season on the team and will leak it to the Franco media. Maybe he can’t help himself.