HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #79

[Miller Time]

The priority is take anyone of these turds off our roster. Beggars can’t be choosers.

Hoffman absolutely... (ditto Gallagher or Armia)

but Dadonov, Drouin and Byron are all perfectly fine to start the year in Mtl with the hope/patience to see if they can play well enough to boost their trade value and get actual quality assets in return from a playoff focused team looking to bolster their roster or replace injured assets.

If they get injured, suck badly, or simply no trade materializes, that's still 14M$ in cap space created once the season ends, so really no "risk" in holding on to them until something of value gets offered in return.

 

[CHfan1]

We should know by today if PLD decides to accept his qualifying offer. Because today is the deadline for players to accept their QOs.

I believe Winnipeg has the option of extending the deadline for PLD to accept his qualifying offer.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Too bad we had to keep them and sacrifice better players like Danault, Toffoli, Lehkonen and Chiarot.

Those players had value. Drouin, Hoffman, Byron etc. have little if any value now. Hope for a good season from them so they can be traded by the next deadline.

 

[MrNasty]

Reaves, Goodrow and Blais were all Drury moves...

And Drury was a finalist for GM of the year...

 

[Runner77]

Of course not, but I was rebutting his priority list.

You must mean “of course.” How could there even be a priority list when we’re at the mercy of third parties. Let them take whoever they want. I don’t see the need for a particular order, esp. in this unforgiving environment.

 

[Adam Michaels]

I believe Winnipeg has the option of extending the deadline for PLD to accept his qualifying offer.

I didn't know they can extend the deadline. I thought it was hard deadline.

 

[montreal]

We just gave up the 13th overall pick + 3rd round pick for Kirby Dach.....think about that for a second.
You should be a whole lot more concerned about that then trading what will most likely be a pick in the low 20's for PLD.

I would have never traded for Dach as a huge Nazar fan, going into the draft I wanted to trade down and take Nazar so clearly at 13th OA I would have just picked him and been thrilled he dropped that far.

Then you have to look at who you could get with wherever the panthers end up, yes it could be in the '20s or they could win the cup or it could be in the teens as I don't think very highly of their coach and you never know with injuries to key players or not. It's a gamble I just wouldn't do for a player that says he wants to play here, for a team that unless Price is healthy and they think the knee will hold up, I would just keep going with the rebuild that I assume will take years to be a contender.

 

[Captain Mountain]

And Drury was a finalist for GM of the year...

Because Pittsburgh's goalies kept falling apart.

 

[Runner77]

Hoffman absolutely... (ditto Gallagher or Armia)

but Dadonov, Drouin and Byron are all perfectly fine to start the year in Mtl with the hope/patience to see if they can play well enough to boost their trade value and get actual quality assets in return from a playoff focused team looking to bolster their roster or replace injured assets.

If they get injured, suck badly, or simply no trade materializes, that's still 14M$ in cap space created once the season ends, so really no "risk" in holding on to them until something of value gets offered in return.

Would you welcome future considerations in exchange for taking any of these guys off our hands now or do you prefer to hold on to them until the trading deadline and see if you can’t squeeze a pick out of them?

 

[CHfan1]

I didn't know they can extend the deadline. I thought it was hard deadline.

From the 2012 CBA:

A Qualifying Offer shall automatically expire at 5:00 p.m. New York time on July 15; provided, however, that the Club may by written notice to Central Registry and the NHLPA, sent in accordance with Exhibit 3 hereof, provided on or before 5:00 p.m. New York time on July 15, extend the deadline for Qualifying Offer acceptance to a date (which must be a fixed and definitive calendar date) determined in its sole discretion

 

[le_sean]

Reaves, Goodrow and Blais were all Drury moves...

That’s not the point. Gorton knows that size is important. It’s how the team he built took the next step. Heck it’s likely why he was fired. You don’t think he spoke about it with his associate GM in May, who in turn made those moves in July?

Look at how the Bruins were built. That has Gorton’s hands all over it too.

 

[jrom]

I disagree with you there. I think the Habs will trade Anderson.

He won’t hold on to Anderson for a crazy offer but I think they will want to keep him around for a while, as a forward that can play on the top9 with size and grit.

I think Dach (on paper) is good C for a rush offence guy like Anderson. If Anderson scores 20-25g next season he’ll just have more value for a trade (instead of being deemed a 3rd line winger).

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

He won’t hold on to Anderson for a crazy offer but I think they will want to keep him around for a while, as a forward that can play on the top9 with size and grit.

I think Dach (on paper) is good C for a rush offence guy like Anderson. If Anderson scores 20-25g next season he’ll just have more value for a trade (instead of being deemed a 3rd line winger).

And the cap will loosen next year I believe. Still I think the Habs might find their deal this off-season for Anderson.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

And the cap will loosen next year I believe. Still I think the Habs might find their deal this off-season for Anderson.

Considering Patches was given for free, I doubt the habs will get an offer that will make them willing to trade Anderson

 

[ReHabs]

Considering Patches was given for free, I doubt the habs will get an offer that will make them willing to trade Anderson

Unfortunately you might be right but they're also completely different players.

Pacioretty going for free was a real surprise, never seen something like that.

 

[BaseballCoach]

We just gave up a 1st for Dvorak and Dach in the last 2 years, one of them 13th overall.......But oh boy, we shouldn't give away what will most likely be pick #28 for a player that's already a lot better than both of these guys?

Dach doesn't necessarely have more controlled contract years , if they get Dubois, it's going to be for 8 years.......technically Dach can be UFA in 4.

Well the proposed deal is not usually the Florida 1st for Dubois. It's typically the 1st round pick plus Dvorak or Anderson plus Barron or Guhle or Mailloux, so really 3 firsts.

I don't really want to give up the Florida first, but if the deal were Florida 1st plus a B prospect plus Hoffman plus Byron, I'd consider it.

 

[calder candidate]

No way the Habs retain on players on the last year of their contract. The goal is to get rid of guys with multiple years like Hoffman. Now if Habs had lots of cap room (Price on LTIR) they could retain on Dadonov for a good return.

Why wouldn’t we not retain to maximize trade value right now, it the final year of the contract there no long term down side, so it doesn’t waste a spot we can retain again next year on a other contract…

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

Considering Patches was given for free, I doubt the habs will get an offer that will make them willing to trade Anderson

You might be right maybe it'll be too hard to shed salary.

 

[Guy Larose]

Unfortunately you might be right but they're also completely different players.

Pacioretty going for free was a real surprise, never seen something like that.

Fleury after winning the Vezina to CHI...pretty much for free.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

I disagree with you there. I think the Habs will trade Anderson.

Hope so dude can't get 40 points with great ice time

 

[Milhouse40]

I'm kind of not sure where you're going with this now. My point was that one can't separate the contract from the player in assessing trade value. You said player A is better than player B so player A should get more than player B was traded for. My point is that it will also depend on their contracts (there are some other factors too, but contract is a big one). I gave Pacioretty as an example but there are plenty of examples. Dadonov was traded to the Habs for a retired player. He was more productive than Kirby Dach last year. There are lots of factors that go into assessing a player's trade value. Definitely how good they are is one, but it's not the only one. That's my point. Feel free to agree or disagree. I'm pretty confident in my assertion, but if you think otherwise that is fine. Take care!

This whole thing started with some people saying it would be a crime to give up FLO 1st round pick for Dubois.....I just disagree with that fact that it would be out of the question, that's all.

 

[DAChampion]

Fleury after winning the Vezina to CHI...pretty much for free.

Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson, a major talent differential due to the cap.

PK Subban for two seconds rounders.

 

[Saundies]

Hoffman absolutely... (ditto Gallagher or Armia)

but Dadonov, Drouin and Byron are all perfectly fine to start the year in Mtl with the hope/patience to see if they can play well enough to boost their trade value and get actual quality assets in return from a playoff focused team looking to bolster their roster or replace injured assets.

If they get injured, suck badly, or simply no trade materializes, that's still 14M$ in cap space created once the season ends, so really no "risk" in holding on to them until something of value gets offered in return.

This is the right take. Someone has to score for this team outside Caufield/Suzuki this year. The guys that do so only up their value and can get us more back. No reason to rush things just for the sake of it when we're not even looking to compete anyway.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Why wouldn’t we not retain to maximize trade value right now, it the final year of the contract there no long term down side, so it doesn’t waste a spot we can retain again next year on a other contract…

Yes. In an earlier post I revised my opinion. If by retaining on Dadonov, for example, they can open enough space to sign Dach and get a decent return they should probably do it. This removes the risk that Dadonov regresses and has no value at the trade deadline.

 

[Milhouse40]

I would have never traded for Dach as a huge Nazar fan, going into the draft I wanted to trade down and take Nazar so clearly at 13th OA I would have just picked him and been thrilled he dropped that far.

Then you have to look at who you could get with wherever the panthers end up, yes it could be in the '20s or they could win the cup or it could be in the teens as I don't think very highly of their coach and you never know with injuries to key players or not. It's a gamble I just wouldn't do for a player that says he wants to play here, for a team that unless Price is healthy and they think the knee will hold up, I would just keep going with the rebuild that I assume will take years to be a contender.

It's also the way the new rankings works.....they might not be strong enough to win the cup but they would be my bet to win our division, placing them automatically in the low 20's range.

Well the proposed deal is not usually the Florida 1st for Dubois. It's typically the 1st round pick plus Dvorak or Anderson plus Barron or Guhle or Mailloux, so really 3 firsts.

I don't really want to give up the Florida first, but if the deal were Florida 1st plus a B prospect plus Hoffman plus Byron, I'd consider it.

I'm going with what we saw in the past, we have very good example of this kind of trade

Jacob Trouba for Neal Pionk +1st round pick
Sam Reinhart for Devon Levi and 1st round pick
Jonathan Drouin for Mikhail Sergachev + 2nd round pick

2 of those players asked to be traded, one to a specific team and it also involved the 2 exact same GM and the other mentioned he was not going to sign long term in Buffalo.....All high pick, all in need of a big contract, all with strong season before asking to be traded.

Only difference I see is the Habs needs them to take a contract on top of it.....but the basis for this kind of trade seems to be all similar.