Trade Ideas

[Winger98]

I don’t think Conroy is getting stuck with a guy walking for nothing. Basically his promise to ownership and fans in his introductory presser.

Hanafin is going to cost a first. He is actually quite close with Larkin, I think he would extend.

yeah, a 1st is what I've been expecting but I've also been expecting Hanifin to be dealt. I can't imagine the deals are going to get better for Calgary by waiting but who knows. I've been wondering if Hanifin is stringing them along the way Suter did to Nashville before hitting free agency.

Both.

I don't mind trading away 2nd rounders because we don't need any more Clevelands, but Stevie does well with the first pick.

Plus I really want to see what Ed can do. I might feel different if Hanifin played right.

Hanifin on the left side worries me less seeing Tampa be so effective with Hedman, McDonagh, and Sergachev down the left side. Also, I think it would be very possible for Ed to take Walman's spot. Hell, maybe we even move Walman at that point and let AlJo/Wallinder/etc. take his spot if he's been moved to the third pair or if we're looking to move Ed up.

I'm with you on being a bit more leery of the trade costs, and maybe the contract costs. Honestly, that is the thing that makes me think Yzerman won't be involved in this.

 

[Gniwder]

I'm with you on being a bit more leery of the trade costs, and maybe the contract costs. Honestly, that is the thing that makes me think Yzerman won't be involved in this.

I'm almost 100% sure that Stevie won't be going for Hanifin or Zadorov. The deadline will not be exciting for us. The only possible homerun is talking Toews into playing, and I give that less than 5% chance.

If Perron is playing first line winger, then it means this team needs another forward. Toews will fill that need, Compher can play wing. Unlikely to happen though.

 

[Winger98]

I'm almost 100% sure that Stevie won't be going for Hanifin or Zadorov. The deadline will not be exciting for us. The only possible homerun is talking Toews into playing, and I give that less than 5% chance.

If Perron is playing first line winger, then it means this team needs another forward. Toews will fill that need, Compher can play wing. Unlikely to happen though.

I'm expecting us to go after a blueliner in the offseason when some teams (florida) might be more willing to deal someone they aren't willing to deal in season. If we make a deal at the TDL, I'm expecting someone out of left field that we either haven't heard much about or didn't think we had a chance at actually getting.

 

[lilidk]

Maata for 4th round and Holl waive and to GR

 

[Snuggs]

I'm almost 100% sure that Stevie won't be going for Hanifin or Zadorov. The deadline will not be exciting for us. The only possible homerun is talking Toews into playing, and I give that less than 5% chance.

If Perron is playing first line winger, then it means this team needs another forward. Toews will fill that need, Compher can play wing. Unlikely to happen though.

We're not letting you back on the wagon in three weeks.

Just so you know.

People don't forget!

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

I'm almost 100% sure that Stevie won't be going for Hanifin or Zadorov. The deadline will not be exciting for us. The only possible homerun is talking Toews into playing, and I give that less than 5% chance.

If Perron is playing first line winger, then it means this team needs another forward. Toews will fill that need, Compher can play wing. Unlikely to happen though.

Who???

Jonathan Toews.. good lord...he is toast...

I hope that if we're playing well and either fighting for, or comfortably in a playoff spot, that SY will throw the locker room a bone and reward them for their efforts with a bit of a boost..a real boost

 

[19 for president]

I expect hockey trades or a very cheap depth pickup. I could see him working a deal around Maata or Fabbri to try and upgrade a position, but I don't see him just adding. Players have to go out.

 

[Snuggs]

Who???

Jonathan Toews.. good lord...he is toast...

I hope that if we're playing well and either fighting for, or comfortably in a playoff spot, that SY will throw the locker room a bone and reward them for their efforts with a bit of a boost..a real boost

He will, as long as they're in contention like they are now.

Wild, imo, to think Yzerman wouldn't make a single trade. Not saying Hanifin or even a top-notch guy but adding no one?

When's the actual last time Yzerman's not made a move at the TDL?

 

[Gniwder]

Who???

Jonathan Toews.. good lord...he is toast...

I hope that if we're playing well and either fighting for, or comfortably in a playoff spot, that SY will throw the locker room a bone and reward them for their efforts with a bit of a boost..a real boost

He can take 5 years off the ice and still not be as slow as Perron, who's playing on the top line. Plus it's literally zero risk other than his salary. But I've already said it's low probability.

I just don't see a trade out there that Stevie would do.... is there a McDonagh type player out there on the trading block? I don't see Hanifin fitting the bill, and all I see are marginal upgrades over Holl like Zaitsev or Tanev.

The other need is a top line winger, but Guentzel and Tank are gonna have very hefty price tags.

 

[SantosHalper]

I just don't see a trade out there that Stevie would do.... is there a McDonagh type player out there on the trading block? I don't see Hanifin fitting the bill, and all I see are marginal upgrades over Holl like Zaitsev or Tanev.

After the season trade but i'd still say that Ekblad makes the most sense, if Yzerman is pursuing a McDonagh type. Big, RHD, local(basically), age.

Wings got LHDs up to wazoo and RHD pool is thin after Seider and ASP, and ASP is 2-3 years away. So Hanifin or Chychrun doesn't make much sense to me unless Walman is part of the trade.

Florida can't afford to keep Ekblad after next season, unless they part ways with Forsling or Montour. Forsling ain't going anywhere so it's either Ekblad or Montour and considering how they use them, it is easier to replace Ekblad with someone cheaper.

 

[Gniwder]

After the season trade but i'd still say that Ekblad makes the most sense, if Yzerman is pursuing a McDonagh type. Big, RHD, local(basically), age.

Wings got LHDs up to wazoo and RHD pool is thin after Seider and ASP, and ASP is 2-3 years away. So Hanifin or Chychrun doesn't make much sense to me unless Walman is part of the trade.

Florida can't afford to keep Ekblad after next season, unless they part ways with Forsling or Montour. Forsling ain't going anywhere so it's either Ekblad or Montour and considering how they use them, it is easier to replace Ekblad with someone cheaper.

Well he does fit my criteria but there's 2 issues:
- I doubt FLA will trade within the division
- Ekblad is a fan favorite, an alternate captain, and a career Panther.

What hurts them is that if Ekblad is re-signed, there's a one year overlap between his new contract and Bob/Knight contracts. Once the goalie contracts expire, they have a ton of space. They could totally circumvent the problem by asking Ekblad to sign a cheap 1 yr deal with the promise to give him a big long term deal after the season. Not sure if that's legal though.

But if your point is that the team could use an upgrade over Holl if Ghost leaves.... I agree 100%. Probably won't be Ekblad though.

 

[stillwater]

After the season trade but i'd still say that Ekblad makes the most sense, if Yzerman is pursuing a McDonagh type. Big, RHD, local(basically), age.

Florida can't afford to keep Ekblad after next season, unless they part ways with Forsling or Montour. Forsling ain't going anywhere so it's either Ekblad or Montour and considering how they use them, it is easier to replace Ekblad with someone cheaper.

Forsling is UFA and the most likely to sign elsewhere, as free agents tend to do.

Ekblad is NOT a free agent.

But keep saying the same thing over and over and over again.

 

[Gniwder]

Forsling is UFA and the most likely to sign elsewhere, as free agents tend to do.

Ekblad is NOT a free agent.

But keep saying the same thing over and over and over again.

Everyone has their favorite player that plays for another team that they'd like to see in a WIngs uniform. It is what it is, no need to be rude.

Makar for Holl + ASP + Ed + 1st!

lol

 

[Winger98]

I think Ekblad could be had in the offseason. Just a gut feeling that if Florida can re-sign Forsling and Montour that they could be persuaded to move Ekblad and rework their blueline - especially if they fall short this year. Nothing to back this up, just a feeling.

 

[DoMakc]

I think Ekblad could be had in the offseason. Just a gut feeling that if Florida can re-sign Forsling and Montour that they could be persuaded to move Ekblad and rework their blueline - especially if they fall short this year. Nothing to back this up, just a feeling.

I don't think Red Wings can afford that contract, without somebody like Chiarot going in the other direction which is not happening. In order to re-sign Seider, Raymond, Rasmussen, Veleno you already need to put 22 mil aside. Then you need to replace Perron and re-sign Kane. And then Ekblad needs to be re-signed after next season as well.

 

[Gniwder]

I don't think Red Wings can afford that contract, without somebody like Chiarot going in the other direction which is not happening. In order to re-sign Seider, Raymond, Rasmussen, Veleno you already need to put 22 mil aside. Then you need to replace Perron and re-sign Kane. And then Ekblad needs to be re-signed after next season as well.

You spelled Copp wrong.

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

I don't think Red Wings can afford that contract, without somebody like Chiarot going in the other direction which is not happening. In order to re-sign Seider, Raymond, Rasmussen, Veleno you already need to put 22 mil aside. Then you need to replace Perron and re-sign Kane. And then Ekblad needs to be re-signed after next season as well.

in what universe will seider, ray, ras and veleno cost 22 million?

 

[DoMakc]

in what universe will seider, ray, ras and veleno cost 22 million?

Seider 8,5-9
Ray 7-7,5
Moose 3,5
Veleno 1,5

Ok it's 21 mil, sorry

 

[odin1981]

in what universe will seider, ray, ras and veleno cost 22 million?

Maybe 20, Ras and Veleno won't be big contracts. Probably around 9 for Seider if it's a 8 year. 5.5-6 for Raymond if it's a 4-5 year deal. Veleno since he is scoring more might be around 2.5-3 but he is a rfa bottom 6'r, same with Ras he is maybe 2.5 at most.

 

[TCNorthstars]

Maybe 20, Ras and Veleno won't be big contracts. Probably around 9 for Seider if it's a 8 year. 5.5-6 for Raymond if it's a 4-5 year deal. Veleno since he is scoring more might be around 2.5-3 but he is a rfa bottom 6'r, same with Ras he is maybe 2.5 at most.

Why would Veleno get any more than Ras?

 

[SantosHalper]

Well he does fit my criteria but there's 2 issues:
- I doubt FLA will trade within the division
- Ekblad is a fan favorite, an alternate captain, and a career Panther.

What hurts them is that if Ekblad is re-signed, there's a one year overlap between his new contract and Bob/Knight contracts. Once the goalie contracts expire, they have a ton of space. They could totally circumvent the problem by asking Ekblad to sign a cheap 1 yr deal with the promise to give him a big long term deal after the season. Not sure if that's legal though.

But if your point is that the team could use an upgrade over Holl if Ghost leaves.... I agree 100%. Probably won't be Ekblad though.

- Ekblad has M-NTC after July 1 and 1 year left in his contract, i'd say Ekblad has a lot of say where he wants to be. If he gets traded. Ottawa is a rival and Cat wanted to come to Detroit, and the trade happened

After Florida re-signs Reinhart, Forsling, Montour and Verhaeghe, Bennett after next season, idon't think they have tons of room. But Zito is a slick kid, he might be able to pull rabits out of his hat. But if not, Yzerman should be the first person calling him.

My point actually was to get Ed paired up with veteran RHD. Walman-Seider, Ed-Ekblad, Chiarot-Petry, but Wings would have to make couple moves to fit all our re-signed players in as well. Moving Määttä/Holl, Fabbri and Kostin would be enough.

Forsling is UFA and the most likely to sign elsewhere, as free agents tend to do.

Ekblad is NOT a free agent.

But keep saying the same thing over and over and over again.

Forsling is #1D in Florida and UFAs gets re-signed all the time.

Ekblad is a UFA after next season and the risk what Florida have, is that they could lose him for free. If they cannot afford to re-sign him and right now at the moment, it looks like that they cannot afford to keep him.

And Panthers fans got this poll going on

Seems like even they think that Ekblad is bound to get traded.

 

[odin1981]

Why would Veleno get any more than Ras?

He has more offense I think. But both shouldn't be very expensive.

 

[Gniwder]

He has more offense I think. But both shouldn't be very expensive.

Rasmussen is arbitration eligible, and if I'm his agent I'm using Copp as a comparable, lol.


Yeah, I know Copp was UFA, but it's still funny. Stats are virtually identical and Raz does PK.

- Ekblad has M-NTC after July 1 and 1 year left in his contract, i'd say Ekblad has a lot of say where he wants to be. If he gets traded. Ottawa is a rival and Cat wanted to come to Detroit, and the trade happened

After Florida re-signs Reinhart, Forsling, Montour and Verhaeghe, Bennett after next season, idon't think they have tons of room. But Zito is a slick kid, he might be able to pull rabits out of his hat. But if not, Yzerman should be the first person calling him.

My point actually was to get Ed paired up with veteran RHD. Walman-Seider, Ed-Ekblad, Chiarot-Petry, but Wings would have to make couple moves to fit all our re-signed players in as well. Moving Määttä/Holl, Fabbri and Kostin would be enough.

Forsling is #1D in Florida and UFAs gets re-signed all the time.

Ekblad is a UFA after next season and the risk what Florida have, is that they could lose him for free. If they cannot afford to re-sign him and right now at the moment, it looks like that they cannot afford to keep him.

And Panthers fans got this poll going on
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Seems like even they think that Ekblad is bound to get traded.

You spelled Copp wrong.

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

Seider 8,5-9
Ray 7-7,5
Moose 3,5
Veleno 1,5

Ok it's 21 mil, sorry

i can see seider and ray getting 16, i can't see ras and joe getting 5-6

 

[Henkka]

Rasmussen is arbitration eligible, and if I'm his agent I'm using Copp as a comparable, lol.

Yeah, I know Copp was UFA, but it's still funny. Stats are virtually identical and Raz does PK.

You can compare Rasmussen to Copp, but then you should compare 24-year old RFA Copp to 24-year old Rasmussen.

2023-24 season 24-year old Rasmussen has played 50 games, scored 10+12=22 points (0.44 pt/g), is team-leading +13, and has played 15:14min TOI.

2018-19 season 24-year old Copp played 69 games, scored 11+14=25 points (0.36 pt/g), was team-leading +20, and played 12:10min TOI.
- He got 2-year deal worth 2.300M.

- Copp deal was signed against 81.5M cap at 2019 off-season.
- Ras deal will be signed against 87.5M cap at 2024 off-season (7.36% higher value)

Rasmussen has better production and higher ice-time than 24-year old Copp at 2018-19. When taking these in account, and also taking that cap factor in account, that 2.3M is modified to --> 3.01M.

This is not far from the older evolving-hockey estimate.
- Michael Rasmussen, 2-year RFA extension, ~3.01M.