Trade Ideas

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Zero interest in acquiring markstrom for an additional 2 years when we have Lyon at 900k playing great and we have 2 highly touted goalie prospects in the pipeline

We have edvinsson waiting for his shot so no thanks on hanifin and the 8.5x8 contract he'll likely be seeking

Not to mention the high cost in acquiring those players. Rather go after a 22-25 year old power forward on the top 6 since we have too many soft smurfs as it is

Ppl see us on the cusp of a playoff spot and all of a sudden it's trade everything for costly older players who won't lead us to a cup anyways

Stay on the path and get younger players with upside

Zero interest in acquiring markstrom for an additional 2 years when we have Lyon at 900k playing great and we have 2 highly touted goalie prospects in the pipeline

We have edvinsson waiting for his shot so no thanks on hanifin and the 8.5x8 contract he'll likely be making

Ppl see us on the cusp of a playoff spot and all of a sudden it's trade everything for costly older players who won't lead us to a cup anyways

Stay on the path and get younger players with upside

Who specifically on this forum is advocating that the DRW should "trade everything for costly older players.. "

Hanifin is the EXACT same birth year as Alex Debrincat..

That means he, like Alex, is the perfect age for us. Sure it would be fantastic if a 22 y/o similar valued forward or dmen was made available and could be had at a reasonable price. Problem is...they aren't...

If multiple people were on this board and were advocating that we trade Danielson plus ASP plus a 1st for Eberle than okay, the narrative of "trade everything for costly older players.." would fit..

Until such time can we all tone down the hyperbole pls....

SY should be looking to make calculated moves that improve the roster immediately and in the short term(defined as next 3 to 5 years)

 

[13to40]

Hanifin fits perfectly into our system and what we want out of our defenseman. He can anchor the 2nd pairing and fill our biggest need. We also have space to get him signed long term. I know this next thought probably goes against the grain here, but I think things in this league can change quickly and you need to seize your opportunities. Right now we have Seider, Raymond, and Kane all signed for less than 5 million combined. We also have excellent depth scoring and Lyon is playing excellently. Add in Hanifin and we have a shot at making some noise this year come playoffs.

I dont think trading away assets at this point Of the rebuild is a smart idea to acquire a top 4 D when we have edvinson ready to make the next step next year along with a plethora of young defensemen who have the potential to become a hanifin.

People shit on Kenny Holland for years when he was trading away assets just to barely get the wings into the playoffs and “make some noise” and now that this team is playing as an NHL calibre team…

If the wings were a Hanifin away from being a contender, I would say sure let’s go all in and pay the kings ransom for him.

This team isn’t a lock to even make the playoffs yet though, so a major reality check I think is needed here.

 

[Gniwder]

I dont think trading away assets at this point Of the rebuild is a smart idea to acquire a top 4 D when we have edvinson ready to make the next step next year along with a plethora of young defensemen who have the potential to become a hanifin.

People shit on Kenny Holland for years when he was trading away assets just to barely get the wings into the playoffs and “make some noise” and now that this team is playing as an NHL calibre team…

If the wings were a Hanifin away from being a contender, I would say sure let’s go all in and pay the kings ransom for him.

This team isn’t a lock to even make the playoffs yet though, so a major reality check I think is needed here.

Don't worry about it, nobody here makes decisions for the team. The most Stevie is gonna do is a depth move, they're all just setting themselves up for disappointment.

 

[norrisnick]

So you've never seen him play, lol.

At least watch the video I posted. It made your comment pretty funny.

If he were as good at actually playing as some would like to believe he wouldn't be rumored to be headed towards his 6th NHL team at 28yo and 3rd of this season alone. He's Dollar Store Rob Blake (Phaneuf was Walmart Blake). Big hits and a slapper, but grossly overrated because people just love guys that hit dingers...
He's a #5/6 that wants #2/3 money.

 

[Gniwder]

If he were as good at actually playing as some would like to believe he wouldn't be rumored to be headed towards his 6th NHL team at 28yo and 3rd of this season alone. He's Dollar Store Rob Blake (Phaneuf was Walmart Blake). Big hits and a slapper, but grossly overrated because people just love guys that hit dingers...

He skates pretty dang well, and he's a second pair D. You compared him to Klim playing defense which is about the dumbest thing I've read here this year. Klim can't skate well enough to maintain a forward spot as a 4th liner.

He's an upgrade over Maatta, and you won't see opponents crosschecking Larkin from behind if Zadorov is on this team. Or maybe they still will, but they'll get punched in the face for it.

 

[norrisnick]

He skates pretty dang well, and he's a second pair D. You compared him to Klim playing defense which is about the dumbest thing I've read here this year. Klim can't skate well enough to maintain a forward spot as a 4th liner.

He's an upgrade over Maatta, and you won't see opponents crosschecking Larkin from behind if Zadorov is on this team. Or maybe they still will, but they'll get punched in the face for it.

Skates well when you can't play defense doesn't really help anything. He is/was 3rd pairing on both Calgary and Vancouver. You're nuts if you think coach would play him ahead of Walman or Chiarot, so he'd be 3rd pairing here too.

Maatta is significantly better as a defenseman. Largely because he knows how to play the position. And Olli is in a fight for his life to stay in our lineup.

No player has ever prevented any dirty action. The guys that do dirty shit aren't scared of anyone. Revenge helps nothing.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

We need a goal scoring winger (Berggren) and another top 4 defenseman (Edvinsson). No clue wtf is going on. How are these guys at GR

 

[lilidk]

We need a goal scoring winger (Berggren) and another top 4 defenseman (Edvinsson). No clue wtf is going on. How are these guys at GR

If we start loosing after all star break, some guys will be gone, it will open spaces for Ed and Berg

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

So you've never seen him play, lol.

At least watch the video I posted. It made your comment pretty funny.

You seriously would prefer Zadorov to Hanifin?

SERIOUSLY?

 

[Gniwder]

You seriously would prefer Zadorov to Hanifin?

SERIOUSLY?

Obviously not, but Hanifin is gonna cost too much, and I'd rather have Zadorov than Klim, and run 7D if they have to.

I don't see either happening anyways considering Ed needs a roster spot next season. I don't see Stevie making a big trade, he might not even make any.

I'd like to see him sign Toews just to troll Chicago.

 

[Winger98]

Obviously not, but Hanifin is gonna cost too much, and I'd rather have Zadorov than Klim, and run 7D if they have to.

I don't see either happening anyways considering Ed needs a roster spot next season. I don't see Stevie making a big trade, he might not even make any.

I'd like to see him sign Toews just to troll Chicago.

assets to acquire or salary demands (or both)?

I'm half expecting Calgary to end up losing the guy for nothing over the summer, or like a 3rd from someone for negotiating rights after the season.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

assets to acquire or salary demands (or both)?

I'm half expecting Calgary to end up losing the guy for nothing over the summer, or like a 3rd from someone for negotiating rights after the season.

I don’t think Conroy is getting stuck with a guy walking for nothing. Basically his promise to ownership and fans in his introductory presser.

Hanafin is going to cost a first. He is actually quite close with Larkin, I think he would extend.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Don't worry about it, nobody here makes decisions for the team. The most Stevie is gonna do is a depth move, they're all just setting themselves up for disappointment.

 

[heyfolks]

A signed Hanifin is probably better than anyone DRW gets in their likely pick range, and whoever they get in that pick range will likely take so long to be an impact NHLer that Larkin will be aging out.

Also, if a site called Flames Nation is claiming he will get something like a first, second, prospect, that likely means he'll end up going for first+prospect. I would trade our first, Maatta, and AlJo for Hanifin in a heartbeat, and then move Ghost to get back at the end of the first.

Agree on the player assessment. Hanifin is as you state. The challenge is in what goes to CAL. I did state I would make the trade you propose in a minute, but I doubt that gets the deal done. As Frk says below, you can beat up the site the but the comparable trades are not hyperbole or fan bias.

You can trash the site, but their list of comparable trades and the returns of each is pretty valid and hard to argue against.

Hanifin ain’t gonna go for cheap.

I like the guy. He's an upgrade over any D man not named Seider. Assuming The Wings can afford the cap hit, it becomes a decision on what talen goes the other way. With Simon, ASP and Wallinder in the pipeline, one will likely need to go the other way. Of course, the immediate response will be Wall. Will the Wings give up a 1st in the next draft, a 2nd in the 26 draft and a top prospect? Before you reply, I suggest Wall is NOT a top prospect.

The Flames were just fleeced in a trade with Vancouver. I would make the deal you suggest, but I don't see it being accepted. He will be moved, so we the answer will be known by EOB on 3-8.

 

[letsgowings9999]

Who specifically on this forum is advocating that the DRW should "trade everything for costly older players.. "

Hanifin is the EXACT same birth year as Alex Debrincat..

That means he, like Alex, is the perfect age for us. Sure it would be fantastic if a 22 y/o similar valued forward or dmen was made available and could be had at a reasonable price. Problem is...they aren't...

If multiple people were on this board and were advocating that we trade Danielson plus ASP plus a 1st for Eberle than okay, the narrative of "trade everything for costly older players.." would fit..

Until such time can we all tone down the hyperbole pls....

SY should be looking to make calculated moves that improve the roster immediately and in the short term(defined as next 3 to 5 years)

When did I say people said we should trade "everything"??? I've seen numerous posts mentioning hanifin and markstrom and getting rid of some prospects such as kasper

Yet yzerman only gave debrincat 4 years and not the 8 hanifin will be looking to get in his next deal. We dont need to add a hanfin for the money and term when we already have a stud prospect in edvinsson we need to insert into the lineup .

22 year old dmen arent made available at a reasonable price ... sure neither are a hanfin . I Think some ppl are getting a semi watching the wings competing for a playoff spot and are getting ahead of themselves. Were not there yet,not even close

 

[RedHawkDown]

When did I say people said we should trade "everything"??? I've seen numerous posts mentioning hanifin and markstrom and getting rid of some prospects such as kasper

Yet yzerman only gave debrincat 4 years and not the 8 hanifin will be looking to get in his next deal. We dont need to add a hanfin for the money and term when we already have a stud prospect in edvinsson we need to insert into the lineup .

22 year old dmen arent made available at a reasonable price ... sure neither are a hanfin . I Think some ppl are getting a semi watching the wings competing for a playoff spot and are getting ahead of themselves. Were not there yet,not even close

If we do not make moves when we can to accelerate our competitive window, we will likely lose Larkin and DBC’s primes and will have to enter another rebuild/retool phase. If we wait for Danielson and Kasper to both be in their prime until we shoot for contending, Larkin will be 34+ and past his prime. Nobody is suggesting we sign or trade for 30+ year olds. Hanifin is young and can be part of the core and accelerates our timeline. Same with Buchnevich , Zegras, etc

 

[letsgowings9999]

If we do not make moves when we can to accelerate our competitive window, we will likely lose Larkin and DBC’s primes and will have to enter another rebuild/retool phase. If we wait for Danielson and Kasper to both be in their prime until we shoot for contending, Larkin will be 34+ and past his prime. Nobody is suggesting we sign or trade for 30+ year olds. Hanifin is young and can be part of the core and accelerates our timeline. Same with Buchnevich , Zegras, etc

I'm not convinced debrincat will be around when his contract is up so I'm not concerned about him. Kasper etc... dont have to be in their primes for us to compete but we cant keep delaying our prospects forever

We'll never win until the guys start being inserted into the lineup... perron and kane are 36+,sprong is a ufa, not sure veleno will be here in 2 years,same as fabbri and the d core

Were still a long ways to doing anything, we need to subtract and add in edvinsson etc... signing hanifin till hes 36 isn't a smart move and fans will complain if he drops when hes 32 and has a high cap hit,buch is 30 I believe with 1 year left

I'd go for zegras but yzerman will never target him cause he wants everyone to be responsible 2 way

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

When did I say people said we should trade "everything"??? I've seen numerous posts mentioning hanifin and markstrom and getting rid of some prospects such as Kasper.

You said it in your post that I replied to.

"Ppl see us on the cusp of a playoff spot and all of a sudden it's trade everything for costly older players who won't lead us to a cup anyways."

 

[Gniwder]

assets to acquire or salary demands (or both)?

I'm half expecting Calgary to end up losing the guy for nothing over the summer, or like a 3rd from someone for negotiating rights after the season.

Both.

I don't mind trading away 2nd rounders because we don't need any more Clevelands, but Stevie does well with the first pick.

Plus I really want to see what Ed can do. I might feel different if Hanifin played right.

 

[RedHawkDown]

I'm not convinced debrincat will be around when his contract is up so I'm not concerned about him. Kasper etc... dont have to be in their primes for us to compete but we cant keep delaying our prospects forever

We'll never win until the guys start being inserted into the lineup... perron and kane are 36+,sprong is a ufa, not sure veleno will be here in 2 years,same as fabbri and the d core

Were still a long ways to doing anything, we need to subtract and add in edvinsson etc... signing hanifin till hes 36 isn't a smart move and fans will complain if he drops when hes 32 and has a high cap hit,buch is 30 I believe with 1 year left

I'd go for zegras but yzerman will never target him cause he wants everyone to be responsible 2 way

Why are you creating this false dichotomy between adding prospects and adding older, established core guys with lots of runway?

Let me propose to you a projected 25-26 roster. I'm assuming Kane re-signed for 2 more years. Perron, Fabbri, Ghost, Petry, and Maatta all traded or not re-signed. Husso and Reimer not re-signed, Lyon extended, Cossa as the backup.

This is a hypothetical roster with additions of Hanifin and Buchnevich, costing us Wallinder, Johansson, Berggren, some combinations of the above roster players + 1st round/2nd round picks. I think it would take more than this FWIW - Mazur/Kasper/etc are likely going the other way in one of these two trades, but let's do this for the sake of argument.

Buchnevich is 28. Hanifin is 26. Re-signing them both to 7-year contracts would take Buch to 36 and Hanifin to 34. Hardly the huge handcuffing deal you act like it is.

Buchnevich-Larkin-Raymond
Kane-Danielson-Debrincat
Mazur-Kasper-Buchelnikov
Compher-Copp-Rasmussen
Veleno

Edvinsson-Seider
Hanifin-ASP
Walman-Chiarot
Holl

Lyon
Cossa

Can you tell me how this roster blocks any of our youth? Ed, ASP, Danielson, Kasper, Buchelnikov, Mazur, and Cossa are all on the team. This doesn't even count guys like Red Savage who might make Veleno expendable.

What would you rather have? The above roster, or the same thing with Berggren in Buch's place, and Wallinder in Hanifin's place. The roster I posted could win a cup, if our kids are as good as we think they are. The roster you propose will be shit for the entirety of Larkin, DBC, Walman, etc primes, as we wait for all the rookies to get better.

The way to win in the NHL is to blend rookie players with established youngsters with seasoned veterans. If we just slowly add rookies to the roster, we end up like Buffalo.

 

[letsgowings9999]

You said it in your post that I replied to.

"Ppl see us on the cusp of a playoff spot and all of a sudden it's trade everything for costly older players who won't lead us to a cup anyways."

Ya I didn't literally mean people want to trade edvinsson ,danielson etc... but i seen ppl throwing out kasper and others 1sts etc in trade scenarios

And I meant what I said alot of ppl are getting carried away cause we're in a playoff spot and are willing to throw away assets for players we don't need

Were no where near winning a cup and we need our younger kids in the lineup asap and taking huge steps. Im not worried if we make the playoffs or not , always thought next year would be a big a year for the wings

Raymond and seider should be even better next season,edvinsson will be in the lineup, hopefully we dont move berggren car least too soon ...possibly mazur I believe can make it

Anyways we all have our different takes,I just think we should be adding potential players who can break out with us and subtracting the likes of petry chiarot,maata etc... if we get the chance

 

[letsgowings9999]

Why are you creating this false dichotomy between adding prospects and adding older, established core guys with lots of runway?

Let me propose to you a projected 25-26 roster. I'm assuming Kane re-signed for 2 more years. Perron, Fabbri, Ghost, Petry, and Maatta all traded or not re-signed. Husso and Reimer not re-signed, Lyon extended, Cossa as the backup.

This is a hypothetical roster with additions of Hanifin and Buchnevich, costing us Wallinder, Johansson, Berggren, some combinations of the above roster players + 1st round/2nd round picks. I think it would take more than this FWIW - Mazur/Kasper/etc are likely going the other way in one of these two trades, but let's do this for the sake of argument.

Buchnevich is 28. Hanifin is 26. Re-signing them both to 7-year contracts would take Buch to 36 and Hanifin to 34. Hardly the huge handcuffing deal you act like it is.

Buchnevich-Larkin-Raymond
Kane-Danielson-Debrincat
Mazur-Kasper-Buchelnikov
Compher-Copp-Rasmussen
Veleno

Edvinsson-Seider
Hanifin-ASP
Walman-Chiarot
Holl

Lyon
Cossa

Can you tell me how this roster blocks any of our youth? Ed, ASP, Danielson, Kasper, Buchelnikov, Mazur, and Cossa are all on the team. This doesn't even count guys like Red Savage who might make Veleno expendable.

What would you rather have? The above roster, or the same thing with Berggren in Buch's place, and Wallinder in Hanifin's place. The roster I posted could win a cup, if our kids are as good as we think they are. The roster you propose will be shit for the entirety of Larkin, DBC, Walman, etc primes, as we wait for all the rookies to get better.

The way to win in the NHL is to blend rookie players with established youngsters with seasoned veterans. If we just slowly add rookies to the roster, we end up like Buffalo.

Ya I got zero interest in dealing Kasper mazur for these players you think were further ahead than we are (which you mentioned might be the likely cost)

We want hanifin so bad get him in free agency... again I'm not giving him 8.5x8 ... as for buchnevich he has 1 more year after this season why am I gonna give top prospects and assets for that? Were not winning the cup next 2 post seasons. I wouldn't want either those guys longterm till 35-36

Asp will not be ready next season and walman is fine atm with seider. Edvinsson will likely be 2nd pairing ,possibly 3rd to start

K just noticed your roster is for 25-26 but I still very much doubt both compher and copp will be on the 4th ... yes my roster I propose (which I never posted ) will be shit and your roster will win a cup

It's way too early to predict which youngsters will make the roster and be productive players. I still think berggren will be moved but I think it'll be a mistake and I believe soderblom with his size can be an important piece.

Prob delusional but I still believe draisaitl will be a redwing and that would be a huge impact player that would change everything

I'd have to look at rookie projections and free agent signings available next 2 seasons and post a roster for fun so you can trash me later lol

 

[RedHawkDown]

Ya I got zero interest in dealing Kasper mazur for these players you think were further ahead than we are (which you mentioned might be the likely cost)

We want hanifin so bad get him in free agency... again I'm not giving him 8.5x8 ... as for buchnevich he has 1 more year after this season why am I gonna give top prospects and assets for that? Were not winning the cup next 2 post seasons. I wouldn't want either those guys longterm till 35-36

Asp will not be ready next season and walman is fine atm with seider. Edvinsson will likely be 2nd pairing ,possibly 3rd to start

K just noticed your roster is for 25-26 but I still very much doubt both compher and copp will be on the 4th ... yes my roster I propose (which I never posted ) will be shit and your roster will win a cup

It's way too early to predict which youngsters will make the roster and be productive players. I still think berggren will be moved but I think it'll be a mistake and I believe soderblom with his size can be an important piece.

Prob delusional but I still believe draisaitl will be a redwing and that would be a huge impact player that would change everything

I'd have to look at rookie projections and free agent signings available next 2 seasons and post a roster for fun so you can trash me later lol

Nah all in good fun. I just think with the age of Larkin we need to push a bit if we want to win anything before he’s 35.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Hanifin-Seider
Edvinsson -ASP
Walman-Chiarot
Holl

I think this looks better. Don't hate what all else you said though.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Prob delusional but I still believe draisaitl will be a redwing and that would be a huge impact player that would change everything

ok. let's take out the delusional word and see what your reasoning is for draisaitl being a wing?

I honestly am at the point that I don't know if I want draisaitl if given the choice. He seems to coast some. He also let's his emotions make stupid decisions and I am not 100% convinced he is as good as we think he is (sometimes) because he has mcdavid there. I do wonder how much points he would have if he wasn't on a team with mcdavid. Genuinely curious if he would still put up a lot of points or if he becomes middle of the pack type guy.