Trade Ideas

[RedHawkDown]

i don't think Ghost is necessary on this roster at all to be honest. Seider can easily play his role on PP1. Some contender might want him for a (late) 1st or 2nd+3rd.
Ghost for late 1st (e.g. VGK).
Hanifin for Maatta, Wallinder, VGK 1st.
Buchnevich for Fabbri, Berggren, Johansson, 2025 1st.

Buchnevich-Larkin-Raymond
Kane-Compher-Debrincat
Fischer-Copp-Rasmussen
Sprong-Veleno-Perron
Kostin

Walman-Seider
Hanifin-Chiarot
Edvinsson-Petry
Holl

We're cooking. I think we can beat Boston with that lineup.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

I would be very shocked if Yzerman acquired two players of Hanifin/Buchnevich quality. That would require moving either our 24 and 25 first or moving significant prospects and would be a big change to chemistry.

I could see Yzerman hedging his bets by shipping out Ghost to a contender for a pick and bringing in Hanifin, which is a net loss on offense but a huge net gain on defense. I think a contending team would be willing to drop a pick in the 25-40 range for Ghost.

I think adding a D like Hanifin to shuffle our D into more fitting slots in the lineup changes this team from one that fights for a wildcard to one that can maybe win a round.

I think Yzerman is looking at a healthy Kane as our deadline acquisition at forward. I don't want to touch Kasper or Danielsson unless it's for a ridiculous deal involving someone like Petersson in the off-season, because I think Kasper and Danielsson in the middle six are going to completely transform this team. The infusion of speed and tenacity are going to make this team a bitch to play against.

 

[heyfolks]

I would be very shocked if Yzerman acquired two players of Hanifin/Buchnevich quality. That would require moving either our 24 and 25 first or moving significant prospects and would be a big change to chemistry.

I could see Yzerman hedging his bets by shipping out Ghost to a contender for a pick and bringing in Hanifin, which is a net loss on offense but a huge net gain on defense. I think a contending team would be willing to drop a pick in the 25-40 range for Ghost.

I think adding a D like Hanifin to shuffle our D into more fitting slots in the lineup changes this team from one that fights for a wildcard to one that can maybe win a round.

I think Yzerman is looking at a healthy Kane as our deadline acquisition at forward. I don't want to touch Kasper or Danielsson unless it's for a ridiculous deal involving someone like Petersson in the off-season, because I think Kasper and Danielsson in the middle six are going to completely transform this team. The infusion of speed and tenacity are going to make this team a bitch to play against.

I don't know what team that is, but I make that deal today.

Hanifin is too rich for the Wings blood.

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[Roomba With a Bauer]

I don't know what team that is, but I make that deal today.

Hanifin is too rich for the Wings blood.

What could a Noah Hanifin trade return look like for the Calgary Flames?

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A signed Hanifin is probably better than anyone DRW gets in their likely pick range, and whoever they get in that pick range will likely take so long to be an impact NHLer that Larkin will be aging out.

Also, if a site called Flames Nation is claiming he will get something like a first, second, prospect, that likely means he'll end up going for first+prospect. I would trade our first, Maatta, and AlJo for Hanifin in a heartbeat, and then move Ghost to get back at the end of the first.

 

[letsgowings9999]

For the sake of a discussion Im not sure you could get much more than a 3rd for most of those guys.

Maatta with retention might get you 2nd because he has another year left. Kane definitely won't be traded.

And for the record, I don't see Steve Y selling any of those pieces off as long as this team is in the mix.

I dont think well make trades if were in the mix as well but I personally think it's a mistake cause I think we're headed down the right path regardless and those guys will be gone minus perhaps kane

prob last time wed be deadline sellers for a while and would only benefit to get more assets to use as potential trade bait

I'm probably naive But I think perron 50% to a contender with the way he plays in the playoffs even if we take back a 1-2 mill guy can land a 2nd+

Sprong as well with his low salary and productive season ,teams with no money would value such asset(I know monahan is a C but he actually got a 1st)

And if kane comes back and gets 20 pts next 15 games let's say with his cup pedigree under 3 mill a true cup contender would seriously consider adding him no? I know edm might prob look to fix the d first but just imagine they add him next to draisaitl? Anyways edm was just a random thought dont think hed agree to a canada deal

 

[letsgowings9999]

A signed Hanifin is probably better than anyone DRW gets in their likely pick range, and whoever they get in that pick range will likely take so long to be an impact NHLer that Larkin will be aging out.

Also, if a site caled Flames Nation is claiming he will get something like a first, second, prospect, that likely means he'll end up going for first+prospect. I would trade our first, Maatta, and AlJo for Hanifin in a heartbeat, and then move Ghost to get back at the end of the first.

Is dealing the assets for hanifin and then giving 8.5 the right move when we have walman with seider pairing and dnsson waiting? Seider will also need a big money deal as well as raymond

A signed Hanifin is probably better than anyone DRW gets in their likely pick range, and whoever they get in that pick range will likely take so long to be an impact NHLer that Larkin will be aging out.

Also, if a site caled Flames Nation is claiming he will get something like a first, second, prospect, that likely means he'll end up going for first+prospect. I would trade our first, Maatta, and AlJo for Hanifin in a heartbeat, and then move Ghost to get back at the end of the first.

Is dealing the assets for hanifin and then giving 8.5 the right move when we have walman with seider pairing and edvinsson waiting? Seider will also need a big money deal as well as raymond

 

[stillwater]

Shayne Gostisbehere has a modified no trade clause ... a list of 10 teams.

SY's target is probably going to be someone he really wants, as opposed to someone who's name is readily out there.

Thought for awhile it could be Colton Parayko, STL ... RHD, 6-years at 6.5 on his deal. 3-years older than Hanifin, but pretty comparable. Less cost long-term than Hanifin for sure.

Brett Pesce's another. Solid D-man, right shot. Needs a contract though after this season. He fits into this group.

Decidedly not sold on Noah Hanifin long-term TBH.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

If SY was to sell while we were squarely in the playoff hunt, he would not only be telling the locker room, but the hockey world as a whole, no matter what you do here in Detroit it won't matter, we arent looking to compete.

If we're out of the playoffs by all means sell

If we're on the cusp i think a small add is warranted to throw the guys a bone

If we're clearly in I think a substantial upgrade is the way to go

 

[norrisnick]

Pieces out and pieces in are what I would do.

Ghost out for assets.
Ed in.

Fabbs out for assets.
Burgers in.

Use assets, ours or the ones we gathered, to upgrade on Holl.

DBC - Larkin - Ray
Perron - Compher - Kane
Ras - Copp - Fisch
Burgers - Veleno - Kostin/Sprong

Walman - Mo
Ed - XXX
Chia/Pet/Maatta

Lyon/Husso

The real pain in the ass is that our best D is a righty... and then our next 5 are lefties with 2 righties bringing up the rear. Why isn't Maatta ambidextrous so he can do what he did for Hronek with Ed?

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

Pieces out and pieces in are what I would do.

Ghost out for assets.
Ed in.

Fabbs out for assets.
Burgers in.

Use assets, ours or the ones we gathered, to upgrade on Holl.

DBC - Larkin - Ray
Perron - Compher - Kane
Ras - Copp - Fisch
Burgers - Veleno - Kostin/Sprong

Walman - Mo
Ed - XXX
Chia/Pet/Maatta

Lyon/Husso

The real pain in the ass is that our best D is a righty... and then our next 5 are lefties with 2 righties bringing up the rear. Why isn't Maatta ambidextrous so he can do what he did for Hronek with Ed?

We could try and get Calgary to also trade us Tanev. Defensively sound RD who can hold a spot til ASP comes in.

 

[Bench]

Pieces out and pieces in are what I would do.

Ed in.

 

[norrisnick]

I'm not going to just stop pointing out something incredibly dumb that the Wings are doing.

Two games played by rookies this year.

Two.

 

[Winged Wheel Willy]

We should be adding but...calculated adds

That means
- don't touch SE, ASP, Kasper, Danielson, Cossa or Augustine
- young enough to be here for the next 3 to 5 years..so currently under 30
- not throw our cap structure out of whack(need to consider salary out)

Given the # of vets on our roster, the depth of our prospect pool, and our salary cap structure I think we're in a great position to add a guy(or two) like Hanifin or Buch

Everything you say is correct…except the part with the untouchable players imo. After the Lindholm rental trade I do not see a world in which you get your hands on Hanifin without dipping into that pool. Especially if a resign is part of the deal. Hanifin will garner tons of interest and I’d be shocked if the likes of Wallinder get us over the line. And I would really like to get Hanifin. He’s playing like a #2. Kasper would be the only one that I’d be willing to talk about because of JT still having term and Danielson coming. But that’d be immensely painful because Kasper has a dimension that we haven’t had since Bert left.

 

[Air Budd Dwyer]

I've been seeing a lot of talk of Yzerman being interested in Chychrun. Don't know if there's any truth to it or what cost of acquisition would be.

 

[Gniwder]

i don't think Ghost is necessary on this roster at all to be honest. Seider can easily play his role on PP1. Some contender might want him for a (late) 1st or 2nd+3rd.
Ghost for late 1st (e.g. VGK).

Ghost was traded for a 3rd last season, and he is worse defensively this season playing for a better team. A little research before posting would be nice instead of just wishful thinking.

 

[TCNorthstars]

I've been seeing a lot of talk of Yzerman being interested in Chychrun. Don't know if there's any truth to it or what cost of acquisition would be.

Where have you been seeing this talk?

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Where have you been seeing this talk?

Winged Wheel Podcast said wings were interested in Chychrun and Vatrano. They did a lot of wink wink nudge nudge with Kane before.

 

[lilidk]

I’m on the minority probably maybe even only guy who thinks Kaspar is expendable. Only because of Danielson

Have no idea between Kasper and Danielson who will be more successful in NHL

 

[Frk It]

A signed Hanifin is probably better than anyone DRW gets in their likely pick range, and whoever they get in that pick range will likely take so long to be an impact NHLer that Larkin will be aging out.

Also, if a site called Flames Nation is claiming he will get something like a first, second, prospect, that likely means he'll end up going for first+prospect. I would trade our first, Maatta, and AlJo for Hanifin in a heartbeat, and then move Ghost to get back at the end of the first.

You can trash the site, but their list of comparable trades and the returns of each is pretty valid and hard to argue against.

Hanifin ain’t gonna go for cheap.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

He won't go cheap but it would be unusual to see a deal involve a recent top 9 pick prospect or a 1st rd pick between 16 and 20...let alone both

 

[Oddbob]

What is so special about Hanifin that have a lot of you wanting him really bad? I don't get it. Not physical, doesn't provide a lot of offence, and he averages just over 20 minutes a game for his career. Then you add the ridiculous new deal he will want because he is UFA. Statistically he is similar to Walman, with Hanifin playing more minutes, only he will want a lot more money than Walman.

 

[norrisnick]

What is so special about Hanifin that have a lot of you wanting him really bad? I don't get it. Not physical, doesn't provide a lot of offence, and he averages just over 20 minutes a game for his career. Then you add the ridiculous new deal he will want because he is UFA. Statistically he is similar to Walman, with Hanifin playing more minutes, only he will want a lot more money than Walman.

Find another Walman then.

If Walman had Hanifin's resume he wouldn't have been available as a toss-in.

The same silliness is why coaches hate rookies. Years of track record, even if wholly unspectacular or even kinda bad, is preferred to the horrors of the unknown.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Hanifin is closer to Seider than Walman.

 

[Oddbob]

Find another Walman then.

If Walman had Hanifin's resume he wouldn't have been available as a toss-in.

The same silliness is why coaches hate rookies. Years of track record, even if wholly unspectacular or even kinda bad, is preferred to the horrors of the unknown.

Just because Hanifin is the only good UFA available close to our team window, doesn't mean we blow a bunch of cap to get them. We aren't at the point where we should be giving up good assets for just a good NHL defenceman. Hanifin is simply not that good, he is solid in the 2-4 range, not someone you lock up to a big deal and give up good assets for. He will want a 7/8 year deal in the 7.5 range and he isn't worth that to me. If there ends up being someone really good you make a trade to get them, I am not convinced at all that Hanifin is that player. To me Hanifin is closer to the Compher/Copp if you were talking about forwards, good players for sure, but not major cogs on your team and Hanifin won't want the equivalent of Copp/Compher.

People in here are mentioning ASP, Kasper and Danielson as pieces to get Hanifin. If we were going after someone much better, sure you consider it, but not for Hanifin.

 

[Oddbob]

Hanifin is closer to Seider than Walman.

Hanifin plays more minutes than Walman, but Walman/Hanifin about the same physically, maybe a little edge to Hanifin, roughly the same offence, and Hanifin gets pp time, and Walman actually seems to block more shots. Hanifin is the better defenceman, not claiming otherwise, but not 3-4 mil a year in difference.