Trade Ideas

[JediOrderPizza]

So wait and don't improve hoping one day Pastrnak and Nylander become available? Hope the leafs trade Marner in the division? Countdown for Draisaitl who will be 30 on his new deal?

Why would Anaheim even move Zegras?

Might not be a Pat Verbeek guy, already have McTavish, Carlsson, and Gauthier

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

So wait and don't improve hoping one day Pastrnak and Nylander become available? Hope the leafs trade Marner in the division? Countdown for Draisaitl who will be 30 on his new deal?


Might not be a Pat Verbeek guy, already have McTavish, Carlsson, and Gauthier

I just don’t want Zegras at a huge premium. I’d either want to pay more for a guy I like or trust that Yzerman can find a better value on a less heralded guy. I don’t like trading for flashy names and players because it’s like you’re buying an Apple item. 40% higher cost because it’s flashy.

So either go completely balls deep and try to land a Draisaitl or, more likely, have your scouts watching a team like the Sharks a few years ago when they had Timo Meier available for a package. That type of guy. Where it’s a big move but it isn’t the young kid hotness. Like if someone wanted to pry Seider or Raymond from Detroit, I’d absolutely take them over the coals if they want that specific guy.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

I just don’t want Zegras at a huge premium. I’d either want to pay more for a guy I like or trust that Yzerman can find a better value on a less heralded guy. I don’t like trading for flashy names and players because it’s like you’re buying an Apple item. 40% higher cost because it’s flashy.

So either go completely balls deep and try to land a Draisaitl or, more likely, have your scouts watching a team like the Sharks a few years ago when they had Timo Meier available for a package. That type of guy. Where it’s a big move but it isn’t the young kid hotness. Like if someone wanted to pry Seider or Raymond from Detroit, I’d absolutely take them over the coals if they want that specific guy.

That's fine if Zegras isn't your guy. But the guys we want really don't move. I think the last one was Tkachuk and that was for a 100 pt player(at the time), a top 4 dman and a 1st. Our biggest pickup was DeBrincat forcing his way here.

Also really glad we didn't get Timo. Imagine if he we went "balls deep" and Copp had more points than him right now.

 

[13to40]

Why would Anaheim even move Zegras?

Because he has horrible on ice habits.

He’s there to make the fancy dangles and make the highlight reel. He’s often a liability when he’s on the ice.

Definitely not worth the kings ransom that will be needed to trade for him and quite honestly. Can only imagine what he will command as a new contract when his current one is up. Don’t think this is a player you build a Stanley cup winning team around.

Very entertaining to watch little clips and highlights of what he does on the ice, but not fun to watch if he’s on your team for the full 60 minutes when he’s floating around and neglecting to play defence.

 

[RedHawkDown]

I just don’t want Zegras at a huge premium. I’d either want to pay more for a guy I like or trust that Yzerman can find a better value on a less heralded guy. I don’t like trading for flashy names and players because it’s like you’re buying an Apple item. 40% higher cost because it’s flashy.

So either go completely balls deep and try to land a Draisaitl or, more likely, have your scouts watching a team like the Sharks a few years ago when they had Timo Meier available for a package. That type of guy. Where it’s a big move but it isn’t the young kid hotness. Like if someone wanted to pry Seider or Raymond from Detroit, I’d absolutely take them over the coals if they want that specific guy.

Zegras is way, way better than Meier.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

Why would Anaheim even move Zegras?

He is apparently unhappy there.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Because he has horrible on ice habits.

He’s there to make the fancy dangles and make the highlight reel. He’s often a liability when he’s on the ice.

Definitely not worth the kings ransom that will be needed to trade for him and quite honestly. Can only imagine what he will command as a new contract when his current one is up. Don’t think this is a player you build a Stanley cup winning team around.

Very entertaining to watch little clips and highlights of what he does on the ice, but not fun to watch if he’s on your team for the full 60 minutes when he’s floating around and neglecting to play defence.

This dosent sound like a SY player

 

[Henkka]

This dosent sound like a SY player

Don't need that.

We have Berggren playing right hockey and not being a trick boy.

That defence is just atrocious. Far from elite player.

Zegras is middle6 guy like Berggren.

 

[PokeyTheCat]

Who wants to trade our dignity for Corey Perry?

 

[JediOrderPizza]

In the words of the great Hall and Oates. I can't go for that.

 

[Perfect Human]

In the words of the great Hall and Oates. I can't go for that.

No can do

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

That's fine if Zegras isn't your guy. But the guys we want really don't move. I think the last one was Tkachuk and that was for a 100 pt player(at the time), a top 4 dman and a 1st. Our biggest pickup was DeBrincat forcing his way here.

Also really glad we didn't get Timo. Imagine if he we went "balls deep" and Copp had more points than him right now.

Timo was my example of a "buy lower" type of guy. I just don't think Zegras will be worth a premium. I don't see what he brings to the lineup. And I guess I mean, if we're swinging a blockbuster, I wanna go for the ultra homerun. The guys we want don't get traded, of course... so I'm advocating standing pat and letting guys develop more than "let's chase a star". Particularly since the stars that are available are the guys like Zegras who you'll have many questions about.

Obviously, if it's a Debrincat level package my thinking changes... but I don't think you're getting a cushy deal for Zegras, no matter how "done" with him Anaheim seems.

 

[Electric Eric]

This dosent sound like a SY player

If he's not a Pat Verbeek guy, I highly doubt he's a Steve Yzerman guy.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

Zegras is way, way better than Meier.

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I don't think there is a discussion to be had here...

I'm not seeing a way, way better player. I'm seeing a guy who is a C versus a RW, sure, but both are similarly meh +/- and similarly deployed (Zegras is actually babied more, but both are shielded from actual defense).

But the whole point is... Zegras would be more expensive to acquire than he is worth. And while Meier wasn't exactly cheap... he was just a top of the mind example of a guy who can be a really good and well thought of player that might actually be on the market. A guy like him, not necessarily him. So instead of going nuts and offering for stars that'll drain your asset pool quickly, go get guys who are just good at hockey.

 

[ricky0034]

Timo was my example of a "buy lower" type of guy. I just don't think Zegras will be worth a premium. I don't see what he brings to the lineup. And I guess I mean, if we're swinging a blockbuster, I wanna go for the ultra homerun. The guys we want don't get traded, of course... so I'm advocating standing pat and letting guys develop more than "let's chase a star". Particularly since the stars that are available are the guys like Zegras who you'll have many questions about.

Obviously, if it's a Debrincat level package my thinking changes... but I don't think you're getting a cushy deal for Zegras, no matter how "done" with him Anaheim seems.

you keep mentioning not wanting to pay a premium but it sounds more like you aren't interested unless it's a super lopsided trade in the Wings favor

which is fine but not at all the same thing as not paying a premium

 

[RedHawkDown]

Zegras is 22. Meier is 27. These players have little in common.

Zegras is 1 year older than Raymond and has multiple 60+ point seasons already. Very weird to see people here acting like he is a finished product.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

Zegras is 22. Meier is 27. These players have little in common.

Zegras is 1 year older than Raymond and has multiple 60+ point seasons already. Very weird to see people here acting like he is a finished product.

Exactly. If we get this kid (extremely unlikely) it's to our benefit he is having struggles otherwise talents like this, this young are rarely available..

 

[Perfect Human]

With Kylington coming back, Calgary will be over the cap. They need both immediate relief and to shed a defender in order to sign Hanafin. If they don’t they need to trade Hanafin. If they do, one of Kylington or R.Anderson would be amazing, preferably Rasmus Anderson. If the wings could move

2024 2nd+ AlJo+ Maatta may get it done.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

you keep mentioning not wanting to pay a premium but it sounds more like you aren't interested unless it's a super lopsided trade in the Wings favor

which is fine but not at all the same thing as not paying a premium

no, no. I'm saying that I don't want to pay a premium for Zegras but if we got a sweetheart deal I wouldn't hate it. I'd pay a premium for a guy I deem worth paying a premium for. Zegras is a flashy 60 point C. He's Dylan Larkin with less back-checking drive and better handles.

No bad players, just bad prices.

Long story short, I'm not hot after Trevor Zegras but I've got nothing against him. To acquire him specifically, I'd like a super lopsided trade in the Wings favor, because I don't see how they become better if they trade what would end up being a market value trade for him. I'd just rather pay a ridiculous trove of assets for a guy like Mitch Marner if he sprung free over a big one for Zegras... or I'd pay a medium amount of assets for a Josh Norris type. (again, not Norris, exactly, but that type of guy on the precipice of

 

[Frk It]

no, no. I'm saying that I don't want to pay a premium for Zegras but if we got a sweetheart deal I wouldn't hate it. I'd pay a premium for a guy I deem worth paying a premium for. Zegras is a flashy 60 point C. He's Dylan Larkin with less back-checking drive and better handles.

Zegras put up 65 points in the NHL as a 21 year old but you know that all he will be in the future is a "flashy 60 point C" in the NHL?

Interesting.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

Zegras put up 65 points in the NHL as a 21 year old but you know that all he will be in the future is a "flashy 60 point C" in the NHL?

Interesting.

Not what I said but go on with your bad self. That’s what he is right now. And Anaheim wouldn’t be looking to deal if they had a more likely than not grade on him continuing to improve on a Nate MacKinnon like track. Not only that… if Verbeek is trading him solely because his view of what Zegras is as a player doesn’t fit with what he wants to do in roster construction, I don’t think he fits with what Yzerman would like to do either.


The fact that they’re willing to listen on a 21 year old 65 point C gives me pause… and because I’m not hot to trot after Zegras, I’m not looking to value him as a guy anything further than what he’s proven… and that’s being a 65 point C who isn’t especially strong or cares particularly much defensively, who starts 75% of his shifts in the offensive zone.

Anaheim should get a lot for him because he does have a lot of potential. I am willing to let someone else roll the dice on him reaching it with the prospective cost in trade and then extension after trade.

 

[Frk It]

Not what I said but go on with your bad self. That’s what he is right now. And Anaheim wouldn’t be looking to deal if they had a more likely than not grade on him continuing to improve on a Nate MacKinnon like track. Not only that… if Verbeek is trading him solely because his view of what Zegras is as a player doesn’t fit with what he wants to do in roster construction, I don’t think he fits with what Yzerman would like to do either.

What did Montreal think Sergachev would become and what did he become after they traded him?
I mean did Anaheim project Shea Theodore correctly before trading him? Nope. You can find a bunch of examples of where that didn't go well.

You are putting a lot more faith in these franchises ability to project players than I would. But I also probably wouldn't be looking to trade Zegras in the first place.

The fact that they’re willing to listen on a 21 year old 65 point C gives me pause… and because I’m not hot to trot after Zegras, I’m not looking to value him as a guy anything further than what he’s proven… and that’s being a 65 point C who isn’t especially strong or cares particularly much defensively, who starts 75% of his shifts in the offensive zone.

Only because they think highly of their other young forwards (Carlsson, McTavish, Gauthier) and because they just created a hole with trading away one of their young defenseman (Drysdale).

Anaheim should get a lot for him because he does have a lot of potential. I am willing to let someone else roll the dice on him reaching it with the prospective cost in trade and then extension after trade.

I think we should look into it. We could use a top 6 center/forward with skill that is Zegras' age to add to our group.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

@Detroit Knights gonna be in shambles when his handshake agreement falls through.

 

[Dotter]

Write down on a piece of paper of 3 guys under 24 you would refuse to trade under any circumstances, ever! Then be prepared to add at least one of those guys towards getting Zegras if he really is available.

If you want Zegras, then be prepared to trade a player(s) that you would absolutely HATE immediately after the official trade announcement. It starts there.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Write down on a piece of paper of 3 guys under 24 you would refuse to trade under any circumstances, ever! Then be prepared to add at least one of those guys towards getting Zegras if he really is available.

If you want Zegras, then be prepared to trade a player(s) that you would absolutely HATE immediately after the official trade announcement. It starts there.

This place will melt when/if Yzerman makes a big move. We were almost crying thinking about Berggren possibly being in the DeBrincat trade.