Trade Ideas

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

Is there a reason Konecny and DeBrincat couldn’t be in play at the same time - as in dual acquisition.

Yes, it's called double jeopardy, just like how a husband and wife can't be arrested for the same crime. Or if you hit someone with company property on company property.

 

[Hen Kolland]

So you're saying that if Detroit adds $20M this summer, then they'll start to run into cap problems?

In other news, water is wet. And in yet additional news, there's no consensus whatsoever that the Wings will be dropping anywhere near that kind of cash all at once, so please keep the sky falling to a minimum.

From The Athletic ranking NHL salary cap situations, to support your "quit your bitching" position that I agree with.

 

[SoupNazi]

From The Athletic ranking NHL salary cap situations, to support your "quit your bitching" position that I agree with.

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That list of "notable" unsigned UFAs...ick.

 

[Hen Kolland]

That list of "notable" unsigned UFAs...ick.

"Notable" in this sense means "can you believe they actually had these players on the ice most games?"

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

"Notable" in this sense means "can you believe they actually had these players on the ice most games?"

Hey, we might possibly have cap trouble in 6 years if we acquire actual NHLers, let's re-sign all those guys.

 

[Holden Caufield]

This salary cap debate is hilarious. Talk about a loser mentality. We aren’t even in the stratosphere of having to worry about the salary cap! Anybody who is worrying definitely is the type who wears two condoms.

You know who DID actually need to worry about the cap ?
The Vegas Golden Knights when they gave Pietrangelo that monster UFA deal ! They should have still been worried when they traded for Stone and gave him a bijillion dollars. They should have been really worried when they traded for Eichel and gave him a colossal 10+ Mill deal. But they were aggressive and didn’t actually care. Winners mentality.

Magically Fleury’s contract disappeared. . Max Pac who ? Gone. Who ended up paying Dadonov 6M ? Not Vegas! Lehner’s contract…. Poof gone (kind of).

If a trade makes sense long term and improves the team. Salary cap should be furthest thing from consideration at this point.

 

[SantosHalper]

 

[Mister Ed]

Trading for Lindholm and flexing Copp to the wing would make me happy. I would imagine with that contract (4.85M / 1 year), his price will be high.

 

[jkutswings]

Between Calgary and Winnipeg and Toronto and Ottawa and Columbus and who knows who else, there are just too many teams likely to shake things up for me to not be certain that Detroit finds a way to add at least one significant player this summer.

 

[SoupNazi]

Between Calgary and Winnipeg and Toronto and Ottawa and Columbus and who knows who else, there are just too many teams likely to shake things up for me to not be certain that Detroit finds a way to add at least one significant player this summer.

Agreed. It will be a disappointment if SY doesn't swing at least one significant trade given the amount of teams that are ready to blow things up.

It might even be something no one saw coming - who knows.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

Trading for Lindholm and flexing Copp to the wing would make me happy. I would imagine with that contract (4.85M / 1 year), his price will be high.

I would rather drop Copp to 3c and run a really good 3rd line.

The question in my mind becomes, is it possible to swing a trade for both Lindholm and Hanifin from Calgary, and would the assets be worth it? We would have to find a way to dump Chiarot.

 

[DTR]

I think the concerns people have about DeBrincat away from Kane are applicable here as well.

 

[norrisnick]

I would rather drop Copp to 3c and run a really good 3rd line.

The question in my mind becomes, is it possible to swing a trade for both Lindholm and Hanifin from Calgary, and would the assets be worth it? We would have to find a way to dump Chiarot.

Wrong side. Go big or go home with Andersson. We can still dump Chiarot if so desired.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

Wrong side. Go big or go home with Andersson. We can still dump Chiarot if so desired.

I was thinking dump Chiarot (left shot) and replace with Hanifin (left shot). Then sign a cheaper right shot UFA to eat some minutes.

The more I think about it, though, Hanifin would be a luxury for us and might not be worth the assets and cap space.

 

[DTR]

Lindholm will be 30 when his new deal kicks in, seems like a a massive gamble to take on a guy that isn’t as good as Larkin but will require an equal contract.

 

[norrisnick]

I was thinking dump Chiarot (left shot) and replace with Hanifin (left shot). Then sign a cheaper right shot UFA to eat some minutes.

The more I think about it, though, Hanifin would be a luxury for us and might not be worth the assets and cap space.

Especially not with Ed, Walman, Maatta, Willy Wally, AlJo also being left shots beyond Chia.

Lindholm will be 30 when his new deal kicks in, seems like a a massive gamble to take on a guy that isn’t as good as Larkin but will require an equal contract.

He might require an equal contract in Calgary, but we have enough Swedish alumni to speak to the virtues of the greater Detroit Metro area.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Yeah there is def risk with Lindholm.

 

[DTR]

Especially not with Ed, Walman, Maatta, Willy Wally, AlJo also being left shots beyond Chia.


He might require an equal contract in Calgary, but we have enough Swedish alumni to speak to the virtues of the greater Detroit Metro area.

I mean he’s probably going to require 8x8 at a minimum, which takes him to 38. And his best asset is his passing, but as of today you’re still in a situation where you don’t have any goal scorers for him to pass to. I don’t it solves many issues we have, nor does it help us surpass teams like Buffalo.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

I mean he’s probably going to require 8x8 at a minimum, which takes him to 38. And his best asset is his passing, but as of today you’re still in a situation where you don’t have any goal scorers for him to pass to. I don’t it solves many issues we have, nor does it help us surpass teams like Buffalo.

That's why you also need to acquire a scoring winger.

Jesus, we cried for years about Holland and now you guys want SY to run the team like him.

 

[DTR]

That's why you also need to acquire a scoring winger.

Jesus, we cried for years about Holland and now you guys want SY to run the team like him.

I am all for adding a scoring winger. The issue is a scoring winger is a bigger priority than a 2C that doesn’t score goals nor play defense. Literally trading assets for Lindholm and then signing him for eight years is something Holland would do.

 

[norrisnick]

I mean he’s probably going to require 8x8 at a minimum, which takes him to 38. And his best asset is his passing, but as of today you’re still in a situation where you don’t have any goal scorers for him to pass to. I don’t it solves many issues we have, nor does it help us surpass teams like Buffalo.

8x8 is fine. Everyone always tells me the cap is skyrocketing. I'm not worried about 2030 and beyond.

But then barring catastrophic injuries you are set at center for the entirety of Larkin's window. That allows you the freedom to go after wingers high in the draft or otherwise.

I am all for adding a scoring winger. The issue is a scoring winger is a bigger priority than a 2C that doesn’t score goals nor play defense. Literally trading assets for Lindholm and then signing him for eight years is something Holland would do.

Lindholm is a 1C and he most certainly plays defense. Who do you think gave Gaudreau and Tkachuk the freedom to do what they do?

 

[Detroit Knights]

This salary cap debate is hilarious. Talk about a loser mentality. We aren’t even in the stratosphere of having to worry about the salary cap! Anybody who is worrying definitely is the type who wears two condoms.

You know who DID actually need to worry about the cap ?
The Vegas Golden Knights when they gave Pietrangelo that monster UFA deal ! They should have still been worried when they traded for Stone and gave him a bijillion dollars. They should have been really worried when they traded for Eichel and gave him a colossal 10+ Mill deal. But they were aggressive and didn’t actually care. Winners mentality.

Magically Fleury’s contract disappeared. . Max Pac who ? Gone. Who ended up paying Dadonov 6M ? Not Vegas! Lehner’s contract…. Poof gone (kind of).

If a trade makes sense long term and improves the team. Salary cap should be furthest thing from consideration at this point.

Agree with about 90% of what you said, but that last paragraph :/.

The cap should be something you work around while getting the players you desire; however, it shouldn't be the one thing that stops you from acquiring someone you want to go and get. There is always an option to fu*k around the cap, but you just can't go ham on spending over it. Buyouts, trading, waivers, etc. are tools to fu*k with the cap.

 

[DTR]

8x8 is fine. Everyone always tells me the cap is skyrocketing. I'm not worried about 2030 and beyond.

But then barring catastrophic injuries you are set at center for the entirety of Larkin's window. That allows you the freedom to go after wingers high in the draft or otherwise.


Lindholm is a 1C and he most certainly plays defense. Who do you think gave Gaudreau and Tkachuk the freedom to do what they do?

Lindholm’s defensive metrics also fell off considerably this season. There are a ton of warning signs about his overall performance without JG and MT.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Agreed. It will be a disappointment if SY doesn't swing at least one significant trade given the amount of teams that are ready to blow things up.

It might even be something no one saw coming - who knows.

I would actually love it if it was something that no one even thought about. I expect Yzerman to do well with getting a good return for the assets he expends in the deal, so I am not terribly worried about what we give up.

Would be orgasmic if it was something crazy like Pettersson or Eichel type player coming to us and there was literally no reports of that person wanting to be traded, the team wanting to trade them, or any news at all about it until the trade is announced.

Love those.

I would rather drop Copp to 3c and run a really good 3rd line.

The question in my mind becomes, is it possible to swing a trade for both Lindholm and Hanifin from Calgary, and would the assets be worth it? We would have to find a way to dump Chiarot.

I like what your saying, but hanifin is a LD. Don't need it.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Lindholm will be 30 when his new deal kicks in, seems like a a massive gamble to take on a guy that isn’t as good as Larkin but will require an equal contract.

Yzerman said in his press conference that he doesn't like 8 year deals because they rarely work out for the full 8 years.

If Lindholm comes here and wants an extension, I would probably venture a guess and say he would only be offered 5 years at whatever AAV is the consensus and that's that. Lindholm wouldn't be considered a "core" piece as Yzerman explained that is larkin age or younger.