Trade Ideas

[Roomba With a Bauer]

'Tis the season, apparently.

Stop stop I can only get so hard

 

[jkutswings]

...and that's how Detroit landed Elias Pettersson, Kyle Connor, Rasmus Andersson, and Jeremy Swayman all in the same summer.

Oh, did you miss the first part of the story? Tune in later this month to find out!

 

[Detroit Knights]

What if we changed the way we look at Raymond from a building block to a key to the promised lands ?

Winnipeg Blockbuster;
Kyle Connor and PL Dubois
For
Raymond, Zadina, Hanas and #17 OA

Philly Special;
Konecny
For
BOS 1st Rd pick, 43 OA and Al Johansson.

Connor (27) -Larkin (26) - Perron (Kaspar)
Berggren(22) - Dubois(24) - Konecny(26)
Ramsussen(24) - Copp(28) - Fabbri (#9 OA)
Mazur(21) - Veleno - Kubalik (Soderblom)

-Bolded would be the core group and their age.
-Non bold would leave when their contracts expire and be replaced by bracketed players.

I mean if we can close our eyes and turn Raymond and some magic beans into this and still keep #9 OA, Big Ed, Kaspar, Cossa and Wallinder. … that would be tempting!

please god not perron on the first line...

Other than that, I would be hesitant because PLD has been wishy washy on wherever he plays. Maybe change it to Helle and send the same you have but add Husso? I like Husso, but Helle is better. Or take out Hanas for Berggren? Would that save our 17OA?

Raymond + Zadina + Berggren + Husso
for
Connor + Helle?

I would hate to lose Raymond, but what you have laid out is a better overall team and he isn't on it. Connor is proven, dubois has shown he is good enough (I refer to my previous sentence about my hesitation), Konecny would probably fit there. Helle is reportedly wanted vasi money, so I could see the hesitation with long term and that, but he has proven to be a very capable goalie and can steal games on some of those poor winnipeg defenses. Could use that ability, even when we have guys like Maatta, ed, seider, walman in front of him.

 

[Hen Kolland]

If I am Steve I would push Vancouver to see if I can get 11 and a future 1 for 9 and our third. If Vancouver is truly that desperate, take them over the coals.

They aren't so desperate that they would give up a future 1 to move up 2 slots.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Vancouver wanting to trade up makes me wonder if Pettersson has already told them he is out the door.

I mean...

Pettersson + 11OA + Myers (cap dump?)
for
9OA + 17OA + Berggren + ALJO + ?

Obviously never going to happen. I think I have read from multiple outlets that they are trying to retool (makes no sense but w.e).

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

I mean...

Pettersson + 11OA + Myers (cap dump?)
for
9OA + 17OA + Berggren + ALJO + ?

Obviously never going to happen. I think I have read from multiple outlets that they are trying to retool (makes no sense but w.e).

Pettersson is the pipiest of pipe dreams.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Pettersson is the pipiest of pipe dreams.

of course he is.

 

[jkutswings]

Pettersson is the pipiest of pipe dreams.

But what if those...pipes...led somewhere? Like in Super Mario Brothers?

Mind. Blown.

 

[ricky0034]

apparently there's something going around now that the Flyers turned down a 1st+2nd for Laughton

if that's true the price for a Konecny trade would be obscene

 

[JediOrderPizza]

apparently there's something going around now that the Flyers turned down a 1st+2nd for Laughton

if that's true the price for a Konecny trade would be obscene

I've been thinking the same thing, I really want to keep the 9th pick. So if the choice is Konecny costing 9th+ and Debrincat 17th+. Then I choose Debrincat. but who knows.

 

[jkutswings]

I've been thinking the same thing, I really want to keep the 9th pick. So if the choice is Konecny costing 9th+ and Debrincat 17th+. Then I choose Debrincat. but who knows.

Philly can ask all they want today. But if their price doesn't come down significantly by draft night and it translates into a firm ask involving #9 for Konecny then they can take a hike.

 

[TheOctopusKid]

Philly can ask all they want today. But if their price doesn't come down significantly by draft night and it translates into a firm ask involving #9 for Konecny then they can take a hike.

I can’t imagine that Danny B wants to look like a fool in his first trade. Maybe playing tough guy right now hoping for someone to bite? But given how many teams have an absence of picks and/or absence of cap space, that feels like a big price to pay for a small number of teams who could afford to cover it

 

[norrisnick]

apparently there's something going around now that the Flyers turned down a 1st+2nd for Laughton

if that's true the price for a Konecny trade would be obscene

That or Briere is truly in over his head. Passing up a 1st + 2nd for Laughton is obscene.

I'd be more inclined to believe that that wasn't ever offered and it's gamesmanship. In no way, shape, or form does that offer make sense. Especially allegedly being made by St Louis. That's way more than what they got for Barbashev just a few months ago. And by way more at least a full 1st rd pick in value.

 

[Detroit Knights]

I do wonder how some GM's are going into this offseason and how they are thinking...

This past trade deadline was crazy. 50 picks for Jeannot?! Meier coast to coast. Bertuzzi to boston, klingberg, kulikov, Domi, bjugstad, korpisalo, and obviously more. So many teams up against the cap and they all traded their top picks to acquire these guys in a draft year that has been highly regarded all year, not just recently.

I think with everything all said and done, this year's draft (or a few days after for some reason) is going to be insane with trades, not just draft picks, but actual big name players everywhere.

Calgary should be unloading everyone at this point for as many 1st rounders as possible. Can Toffoli, lindholm, andersson, hanifin get you 3 1st rounders? At least. Just try to finesse your way to get them for this year. They can retain on 3 contracts if they need to in order to secure a 1st for this year. Best part is, all of these guys that want out are on the final year of the contracts so next year's cap they wont even count anymore! If I'm the new Calgary GM, it sucks, no one wants to be on the team, but I'd be salivating at the possibility of getting so many 1st/2nd round picks in a deep ass draft to set up the team 5 years down the road. Sucks for Kadri and Huberdeau, but at least Kadri got his cup first before being buried on this team...They have about 20 million in contracts on 1 year left on term they can get rid of before the draft of players that just don't want to play there. Then they can go sign whoever is willing to play there to make sure they are at the cap floor, tank for Eisermann or whoever is the going attraction, and just move on.

It is much better to rip the band-aid off before a deep draft.

 

[norrisnick]

I do wonder how some GM's are going into this offseason and how they are thinking...

This past trade deadline was crazy. 50 picks for Jeannot?! Meier coast to coast. Bertuzzi to boston, klingberg, kulikov, Domi, bjugstad, korpisalo, and obviously more. So many teams up against the cap and they all traded their top picks to acquire these guys in a draft year that has been highly regarded all year, not just recently.

I think with everything all said and done, this year's draft (or a few days after for some reason) is going to be insane with trades, not just draft picks, but actual big name players everywhere.

Calgary should be unloading everyone at this point for as many 1st rounders as possible. Can Toffoli, lindholm, andersson, hanifin get you 3 1st rounders? At least. Just try to finesse your way to get them for this year. They can retain on 3 contracts if they need to in order to secure a 1st for this year. Best part is, all of these guys that want out are on the final year of the contracts so next year's cap they wont even count anymore! If I'm the new Calgary GM, it sucks, no one wants to be on the team, but I'd be salivating at the possibility of getting so many 1st/2nd round picks in a deep ass draft to set up the team 5 years down the road. Sucks for Kadri and Huberdeau, but at least Kadri got his cup first before being buried on this team...They have about 20 million in contracts on 1 year left on term they can get rid of before the draft of players that just don't want to play there. Then they can go sign whoever is willing to play there to make sure they are at the cap floor, tank for Eisermann or whoever is the going attraction, and just move on.

It is much better to rip the band-aid off before a deep draft.

It's a double-edged sword. The teams most inclined to pursue these guys don't have their picks anymore. We do, but... we are also still in the position of needing to make high picks.

But yes, each of those guys should net a 1st+ easily. Lindholm and Andersson probably 2+.

I'd part with a lot for those two players.

Moral of the story for the NHL is don't put teams in cities that young millionaires don't want to live in.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

It's a double-edged sword. The teams most incline to pursue these guys don't have their picks anymore. We do, but... we are also still in the position of needing to make high picks.

But yes, each of those guys should net a 1st+ easily. Lindholm and Andersson probably 2+.

I'd part with a lot for those two players.

What are your pieces you think we have to keep? Kasper and Edvinsson?

But yeah we have the picks+prospects+cap space. I'd be shocked if we make all of our picks.

 

[norrisnick]

What are your pieces you think we have to keep? Kasper and Edvinsson?

But yeah we have the picks+prospects+cap space. I'd be shocked if we make all of our picks.

Those two, Cossa and #9.

Maybe offer #17, both 1sts next year, Veleno and their choice of AlJo and Wallinder. We can't really afford to give up scoring youth. If they demand one of Bergie/Mazur they lose a 1st and it downgrades to a 3rd.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

People are posting suggestions and I'm responding. Is that not what this board is for? Discussion? I can post my summer wish list. Discuss away!

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Leaves breathing room for any midseason additions.

WPG needs to go scorched earth because they cannot get free agents and are likely on everyone's no trade list. With Hellebuyck and PLD wanting out they need to move anything that will keep them from the bottom of the table. That's Connor.

Peeke is a minute eating defensively oriented guy for the 2nd pairing RD

Don't Care is a goalie and aptly named.

Oh f*** yeah.

 

[jkutswings]

Those two, Cossa and #9.

Maybe offer #17, both 1sts next year, Veleno and their choice of AlJo and Wallinder. We can't really afford to give up scoring youth. If they demand one of Bergie/Mazur they lose a 1st and it downgrades to a 3rd.

That's about where I'm at as well. Seider, Larkin, Edvinsson, and Kasper are completely off limits. Raymond, Cossa, and #9 this year would require something absolutely incredible for me to consider including any of them. But essentially everything else is fair game for a great player.

 

[TheOctopusKid]

Figure the Lindholm trade here would be at or near Eichel level returns? He’s older but also technically cheaper and not recovering from a uncertain neck injury, yadda yadda.

But Eichel went for 1st, 2nd the next year, a under 25yo roster player with top six upside, and a high quality prospect.

17+43+Berggren+Wallinder, would that get it done?

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Figure the Lindholm trade here would be at or near Eichel level returns? He’s older but also technically cheaper and not recovering from a uncertain neck injury, yadda yadda.

But Eichel went for 1st, 2nd the next year, a under 25yo roster player with top six upside, and a high quality prospect.

17+43+Berggren+Wallinder, would that get it done?

No. They won a championship. He's not moving.

EDIT: my apologies, thought you meant Eichel.

 

[norrisnick]

Figure the Lindholm trade here would be at or near Eichel level returns? He’s older but also technically cheaper and not recovering from a uncertain neck injury, yadda yadda.

But Eichel went for 1st, 2nd the next year, a under 25yo roster player with top six upside, and a high quality prospect.

17+43+Berggren+Wallinder, would that get it done?

Should, yes. I would do my very best to talk them into Veleno instead. Sell them on the Canadian center vs the Swedish winger.

 

[TheOctopusKid]

Dammit - I'm kind of into this now:

Kubalik (27) - Larkin (26) - Raymond (21)
Fabbri (27) - Lindholm (28) - Perron (35)
Kasper (19) - Copp (28) - Rasmussen (24)
Soderblom (19) - Veleno (23) - Zadina (23)

With the idea that you basically have your 9th OA, lets call it Leonard or Benson, who in two years would take a Top 6 spot, Copp who could flex into the Top 6 Wing Role as the heavy, or drop down into the 3C as a shutdown man, with Kasper moving up to the Top 6

So out the door in two years - Kubalik, Perron, Fabbri - stepping in Benson, Mazer, a FA or some breakout from Lombardi, Savage, Buchelnikov? ...

That's a pretty competitive lineup with all of it's best talent under 30, hell most of it under 26...

 

[Gniwder]

Obviously never going to happen. I think I have read from multiple outlets that they are trying to retool (makes no sense but w.e).

retool <> rebuild

They didn't buy out OEL's contract to tank. With Myer's contract expiring after the season and OEL's buyout, they need defensemen along with a better goalie.

If they're looking to move up in the draft, I'm thinking they've got their eyes on a kid that's projected to go top 10. I wouldn't read any more into it than that.

The trade I'd like to see is Myers + 2nd (plus maybe a later pick?) for Maatta, but only if Maatta agrees since he just signed a new contract. A pick for Myers cap dump, but he's still a serviceable second pair RHD.

 

[heyfolks]

It’s not realistic. Every reason you want Fantilli is why Anaheim does.

Think about it this way… would you accept this trade going the other way?

Yet others here say it is too much. That aside I believe they want an option other than Zegras. Clearly Raymond provides them a 1-2 punch on his wing or the 2nd line. Zegras is also a clear top line center. I also believe they need D. They won't take Wallinder or Edvinsson over Raymond but it could be Raymond, Edvinsson and the #9 pick.

Side note: Yes, I realize most of this is just off season, we fans miss hockey talk. WE all are posting our trade ideas and then everyone else is beating them up. It's a bit of HF tradition.

Pronman doesn't know much, and the rest I have never heard of. One of them is just something from a Ducks fan/person on Reddit.

You never heard of Yahoo or hockeywriters? Got it... let me know who you trust and I will search out their opinion and get back to you.