Trade Ideas

[Detroit Knights]

If Florida does that. The Panthers need defense more than scoring. Bertuzzi is equally bad on defense as DuClair is.

Right, but offensively, bert is better than duclair. Pair bert up with a two-way center and it comes up bert being a bigger + than duclair.

You sign bert to 6x6, you have 7 mil to pay for 2 roster defenders. Not a ton, but you could renew gudas and get another defensive minded defenseman. Possible trade for a D to some teams like Peeke in CBJ (that some have suggested here) that makes less than 3 and isn't terrible. All of a sudden you have a possible retool.

Then again, isn't ekblad/tkachuk not going to be ready for start of the season? Don't know how much that impacts their decision making.

 

[norrisnick]

No, it wasn't a mistake last year. The Wings HAD to spend money. And the only "mistake" was signing Chiarot to a long term deal. I say "mistake", because he's not a bad player, just a bad fit.

Even the fit isn't necessarily bad. His deployment all season long was an unmitigated disaster. That's on Lalonde.

3rd pairing banging around against the bottoms of other teams' lineups? He's perfectly fine there.

MF was on the top pairing for 34 games and actually saw PP and 3on3 OT time...

 

[Murmansk16A]

Even the fit isn't necessarily bad. His deployment all season long was an unmitigated disaster. That's on Lalonde.

3rd pairing banging around against the bottoms of other teams' lineups? He's perfectly fine there.

MF was on the top pairing for 34 games and actually saw PP and 3on3 OT time...

I was searching my memory for a Wings defenseman with the initials MF . . . and finally realized what it stood for.

 

[lilidk]

No, it wasn't a mistake last year. The Wings HAD to spend money. And the only "mistake" was signing Chiarot to a long term deal. I say "mistake", because he's not a bad player, just a bad fit.

We could have better chance to get top5

 

[TheOctopusKid]

Things moving

Feels like this is something along the lines of... a retained Karlsson...

SJ and Karlsson are committed to getting him off the team. He will want to go to a place where he can win. I imagine the price to get him will be wildly off what people are predicting. But moving Swayman + DeBrusk out the door for Karlsson at 20% retained or whatever... pluses on either side

Basically BOS would be moving out 6M or so out the door to take back a 100pt 9M dollar PMD star that fits their window; SJ gets to move on from EK, gets a young stud goalie, and a solid 26 year old physical winger at a reasonable price and only has to sit on 2.5M in retention for a non-cap strapped team.

BOS can field a killer Top 4D and try to resign Bert, convince Krejci to come back for one more year at a sweetheart deal because they just added EK (WOW! who wouldn't want to play with this legend leading the rush?) - and you're still looking at a forward group that has Pasta, Zacha, Hall, Marchand, Krecji, Coyle - with a blueline with McAvoy, EK, Lindholm, Carlo...

And this is exactly the big splashy move that would get all these mysterious tweets popping off... (unlike, they are trading a bunch of prospects and low end picks for Pierre-Luc Dubois, you remember him from his incredibly productive time in the huge market, Columbus?)

 

[norrisnick]

We could have better chance to get top5

Like 2% better. We weren't going to drop into the bottom 5 without knee-capping Larkin and Mo.

 

[lilidk]

Like 2% better. We weren't going to drop into the bottom 5 without knee-capping Larkin and Mo.

It was about last season, Yzerman did improve team, so we didn't make playoffs and did not have chance draft top 5

 

[stillwater]

Boston currently has less than $5 million to spend. That's before they resign Krecji, Bertuzzi, take on even 80% of Karlsson. Or anyone else for that matter.

It would take $15 million to to sign/trade for just those 3 players.

It's impossible ...

 

[norrisnick]

It was about last season, Yzerman did improve team, so we didn't make playoffs and did not have chance draft top 5

Had he not improved the team we still weren't making the playoffs and still not drafting top 5. Didn't really matter. By adding we could trade Bert/Hronek/Sunny and still be cap compliant.

 

[GarlicbreadTB]

Posted in the draft thread too but:



St Louis shopping late 1st rounders for immediate help.

 

[norrisnick]

Posted in the draft thread too but:



St Louis shopping late 1st rounders for immediate help.

So... Chiarot and Perron?

 

[GarlicbreadTB]

So... Chiarot and Perron?

Maybe they'd have Fabbri back.

 

[Oddbob]

Yet others here say it is too much. That aside I believe they want an option other than Zegras. Clearly Raymond provides them a 1-2 punch on his wing or the 2nd line. Zegras is also a clear top line center. I also believe they need D. They won't take Wallinder or Edvinsson over Raymond but it could be Raymond, Edvinsson and the #9 pick.

Side note: Yes, I realize most of this is just off season, we fans miss hockey talk. WE all are posting our trade ideas and then everyone else is beating them up. It's a bit of HF tradition.


You never heard of Yahoo or hockeywriters? Got it... let me know who you trust and I will search out their opinion and get back to you.

Yahoo as a hockey expert is the same as going to down to the corner and picking out the first person you see and asking them what they think.

 

[Oddbob]

I honestly doubt bert would sign with any canadian team for more than 3 years. Not going to bring up the political stances because no one wants that discussion (dm if interested for fun!) but dude is going to play in the US. I honestly don't even think he is welcomed in canada at this point.

There are no Covid issues in Canada.

 

[TheOctopusKid]

Posted in the draft thread too but:



St Louis shopping late 1st rounders for immediate help.

Zadina, come on down!!!

 

[Xirik]

Devils fan here! I've been looking at teams with more then one pick in the 1st round and was wondering if this potential trade would interest the Wings.

Holtz + 2nd + RFA Sharangovich

for

17th OV

 

[norrisnick]

Devils fan here! I've been looking at teams with more then one pick in the 1st round and was wondering if this potential trade would interest the Wings.

Holtz + 2nd + RFA Sharangovich

for

17th OV

We have a Holtz already, thx tho.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Figure the Lindholm trade here would be at or near Eichel level returns? He’s older but also technically cheaper and not recovering from a uncertain neck injury, yadda yadda.

But Eichel went for 1st, 2nd the next year, a under 25yo roster player with top six upside, and a high quality prospect.

17+43+Berggren+Wallinder, would that get it done?

No. That’s way too much.
Lindholm on his best day isn’t as good as Eichel.

1st + 2nd, or a 1st and a prospect. That’s what Lindholm is worth.

Devils fan here! I've been looking at teams with more then one pick in the 1st round and was wondering if this potential trade would interest the Wings.

Holtz + 2nd + RFA Sharangovich

for

17th OV

I’d do that, but why does NJ want to do this?

 

[norrisnick]

I’d do that, but why does NJ want to do this?

I'm more interested why you want to do this? It's a handful of nickels for a dollar. Don't mince around with Holtz, Sharangovich and a 2nd. Combine that shit into Mercer.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I'm more interested why you want to do this? It's a handful of nickels for a dollar. Don't mince around with Holtz, Sharangovich and a 2nd. Combine that shit into Mercer.

Holtz is still a good prospect. sharangovich has potential as a middle 6 guy. And that would be Detroit’s 4th 2nd round pick. Those become trade chips Either for another 1st or to upgrade the roster.

 

[norrisnick]

Holtz is still a good prospect. sharangovich has potential as a middle 6 guy. And that would be Detroit’s 4th 2nd round pick. Those become trade chips Either for another 1st or to upgrade the roster.

How many middle 6 forwards do we need to collect? I get that loading up on middling players is all the rage due to Vegas/Seattle but there comes a point where you need to address the top of the lineup. We are at that point.

 

[Xirik]

I’d do that, but why does NJ want to do this?

1. Holtz is a sniper prospect and those always seem to need 1st or 2nd line minutes and linemates

2. The Devils have Bratt and Mercer ahead of him on the RW so he'd probably end up on the 3rd line in a more playmaking grinder roll which doesn't make use of all his skills.

3. The Devils GM stated that he is trying to get into the 1st round and this is the only way I can see it realistically happening.

4. I don't think the trade I suggested would get the Devils a roster player from another team that would really move the needle. Better to roll the dice again in a pretty good 1st round and find a better fit for the current Devils team needs

Personally I think Holtz qould do well with the wings. They're close to finishing the rebuild phase but still have room at the top of the line-up for Holtz to slot in. Also if I'm remembering the Wings/Devils games it was that the Wings were big and heavy with their forecheck and puck retrieval but didn't have finisher. Seems like a sniper would be a good fit?

 

[ColdToiletSeats]

1. Holtz is a sniper prospect and those always seem to need 1st or 2nd line minutes and linemates

2. The Devils have Bratt and Mercer ahead of him on the RW so he'd probably end up on the 3rd line in a more playmaking grinder roll which doesn't make use of all his skills.

3. The Devils GM stated that he is trying to get into the 1st round and this is the only way I can see it realistically happening.

4. I don't think the trade I suggested would get the Devils a roster player from another team that would really move the needle. Better to roll the dice again in a pretty good 1st round and find a better fit for the current Devils team needs

Personally I think Holtz qould do well with the wings. They're close to finishing the rebuild phase but still have room at the top of the line-up for Holtz to slot in. Also if I'm remembering the Wings/Devils games it was that the Wings were big and heavy with their forecheck and puck retrieval but didn't have finisher. Seems like a sniper would be a good fit?

we have Zadina he's our #1 sniper until we get DeBrincat

 

[jkutswings]

we have Zadina he's our #1 sniper

Did you just say...

 

[TCNorthstars]

Did you just say...

That poster was not serious. Clearly.