Trade Ideas

[Rich Nixon]

Just cruising through with a couple little pssts for you

Exactly. Now take Konecny's surroundings and compare them to what DeBrincat has played in. Then compare that to what the Wings are.

A point of reference.

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psst: take a look at the TOI and EV scoring numbers.

Konecny outscored an aging, half-dead Claude Giroux, who was happy to get out of Philly...

Context matters.

psst: context does matter, but holy lord are you ever wrong about this

 

[norrisnick]

Lindholm’s defensive metrics also fell off considerably this season. There are a ton of warning signs about his overall performance without JG and MT.

Defense is a bit harder when you aren't at the other end of the ice.

Anyhoo, fun fact time since the board loves those... Over the last five seasons Lindholm has outscored a certain scoring line winger this board has been debating for the past week plus.

 

[DTR]

Defense is a bit harder when you aren't at the other end of the ice.

Anyhoo, fun fact time since the board loves those... Over the last five seasons Lindholm has outscored a certain scoring line winger this board has been debating for the past week plus.

Lindholm is a fine player. I don’t think he’s a player you give up all multiple assets for and then also sign him through his age 38 season.

And how many players in the NHL have played with two better offensive players over that same period of time than Lindholm?

Yzerman said in his press conference that he doesn't like 8 year deals because they rarely work out for the full 8 years.

If Lindholm comes here and wants an extension, I would probably venture a guess and say he would only be offered 5 years at whatever AAV is the consensus and that's that. Lindholm wouldn't be considered a "core" piece as Yzerman explained that is larkin age or younger.

Lindhom’s agent is going to be pointing at the Horvat and Larkin deals. I cannot envision a scenario where a 29 year old player accepts a five year deal when it’ll be their last chance to cash in.

 

[norrisnick]

Lindholm is a fine player. I don’t think he’s a player you give up all multiple assets for and then also sign him through his age 38 season.

And how many players in the NHL have played with two better offensive players over that same period of time than Lindholm?

You mean besides DeBrincat?

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

Wrong side. Go big or go home with Andersson. We can still dump Chiarot if so desired.

Return of the Joakim? (/s)

 

[norrisnick]

Lindhom’s agent is going to be pointing at the Horvat and Larkin deals. I cannot envision a scenario where a 29 year old player accepts a five year deal when it’ll be their last chance to cash in.

And rightfully so. Given he's a touch older when the contract kicks in that could be a hair of leverage. Somewhere in the low 8s.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Lindhom’s agent is going to be pointing at the Horvat and Larkin deals. I cannot envision a scenario where a 29 year old player accepts a five year deal when it’ll be their last chance to cash in.

I completely agree with you, that's why I don't think he extends here unless he takes a 5 year deal.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

You mean besides DeBrincat?

Which offensive dynamo besides Kane did Debrincat play with?

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Defense is a bit harder when you aren't at the other end of the ice.

Anyhoo, fun fact time since the board loves those... Over the last five seasons Lindholm has outscored a certain scoring line winger this board has been debating for the past week plus.

But not this season, in Debrincat's "down" season. Debrincat is also 4 years younger, and what about worrying how Lindholm does in Detroit without two 100 pt wingers? Or is that only for Debrincat?

Also you know who has outscored a certain center you like over the last six seasons? Debrincat.

Five seasons:
Debrincat 321 pts
Lindholm 325 pts

Six seasons:
Debrincat 373 pts
Lindholm 369 pts

Just to be clear, I like Lindholm but this entire scrutinize Debrincat to death but not for others is annoying.

 

[norrisnick]

Regarding Lindholm's age. If he were already on the team his age would have been the answer for the core question. He's close enough in ability and age to Larkin that I doubt Yzerman is going to sweat the answer he gave in the presser.

 

[jaster]

Wrong side. Go big or go home with Andersson. We can still dump Chiarot if so desired.

But he wears an A.

 

[norrisnick]

But not this season, in Debrincat's "down" season. Debrincat is also 4 years younger, and what about worrying how Lindholm does in Detroit without two 100 pt wingers? Or is that only for Debrincat?

Also you know who has outscored a certain center you like over the last six seasons? Debrincat.

Five seasons:
Debrincat 321 pts
Lindholm 325 pts

Six seasons:
Debrincat 373 pts
Lindholm 369 pts

Just to be clear, I like Lindholm but this entire scrutinize Debrincat to death but not for others is annoying.

Imagine the cheerleading from my POV...

But he wears an A.

It's a venn diagram. Did I really need to plot it out? Chia and Perron aren't in the same field of the diagram. You get to guess the other circles.

 

[Detroit Knights]

But he wears an A.

actually spit out my water when I read this.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

I'm not too worried about Lindholm's cap hit at age 38, with the way inflation is going the cap will likely be at 100 million by then. There are also lots of ways to bury a cap hit.

I'm not too worried about his metrics this season playing in the dumpster fire that is Calgary. Especially since I don't think Yzerman spends assets on a 2c unless a legit winger is also in the works (whether it be DBC, Konecny, or someone else). He would also likely be centering the second line behind Larkin and wouldn't get targeted by the other team's top pair and best matchups every night.

 

[Gniwder]

Larkin gave the Wings a below market contract. He could've gotten close to 10 on the open market with this year's awful crop of free agents. If SY plans to rebuild until Larkin is 32, he should be looking to GTFO.

I think he wants to play for his home town team no matter what. He doesn't want to leave on bad terms, all his friends are in Michigan.

If anything, I think he's one of those players that will leave and take a shot at the Cup at the end of his career like Ray Bourque did. At that point he'll probably be a 2C or maybe even 3C.

 

[Gniwder]

QO's mean nothing. If he is nowhere near 2.7 in worth at that point, than you just don't QO him. If he is, than good you have a decent player left.

Exactly why it matters. Zadina isn't getting a QO. That means he will more than likely leave.

He looked good after he came back from his injury, so he can play at the NHL level, but he can't seem to sustain it for more than a handful of games. Honestly, I think he'll have a hard time getting a one way contract. Maybe Arizona.

 

[DoMakc]

Regarding Lindholm's age. If he were already on the team his age would have been the answer for the core question. He's close enough in ability and age to Larkin that I doubt Yzerman is going to sweat the answer he gave in the presser.

Well Yzerman defined age bracket as [18;27], Lidholm is 29, so he is not in that, going by Yzerman's definition

 

[Run the Jewels]

Draft trade idea:

Detroit gets Vancouver's #11 pick.
In return, Vancouver gets our #17 and one or two of our second rounders. They currently do not have a second rounder.

If Vancouver isn't likely, how about Pittsburgh's #14 for our #17 and a 2nd rounder?

Are these good value? Would these trades make sense?

 

[DTR]

Draft trade idea:

Detroit gets Vancouver's #11 pick.
In return, Vancouver gets our #17 and one or two of our second rounders. They currently do not have a second rounder.

If Vancouver isn't likely, how about Pittsburgh's #14 for our #17 and a 2nd rounder?

Are these good value? Would these trades make sense?

in theory it sounds good but there are a lot of reports that Vancouver is trying to trade up from 11.

 

[jkutswings]

in theory it sounds good but there are a lot of reports that Vancouver is trying to trade up from 11.

Based on recent decisions by Vancouver, Detroit might be able to convince them that going from 11 to 17 actually is trading up.

 

[Hen Kolland]

Draft trade idea:

Detroit gets Vancouver's #11 pick.
In return, Vancouver gets our #17 and one or two of our second rounders. They currently do not have a second rounder.

If Vancouver isn't likely, how about Pittsburgh's #14 for our #17 and a 2nd rounder?

Are these good value? Would these trades make sense?

Obviously it makes sense conceptually. Teams like to get more cracks when they can or feel like there isn't a major gap for them. The trade itself will probably depend on internal tiers.

Wings won't move up if they aren't in love with someone available at the time of the pick. Canucks and Pens might be in love with a prospect that falls and it isn't worth missing on that player to add a second.

Value wise, in 2019 the following trade was made to give you a frame work.

Coyotes received #11 (Victor Soderstrom)
Flyers received #14 (Cam York) and #45 (Egor Afanasyev)

So yes, you could move to the Pens pick in all likelihood. Vancouver might be a bit longer to pull off, but the depth of this class might allow for it to be a possibility depending on Vancouver's internal ranking.

 

[DTR]

If I am Steve I would push Vancouver to see if I can get 11 and a future 1 for 9 and our third. If Vancouver is truly that desperate, take them over the coals.

 

[Holden Caufield]

What if we changed the way we look at Raymond from a building block to a key to the promised lands ?

Winnipeg Blockbuster;
Kyle Connor and PL Dubois
For
Raymond, Zadina, Hanas and #17 OA

Philly Special;
Konecny
For
BOS 1st Rd pick, 43 OA and Al Johansson.

Connor (27) -Larkin (26) - Perron (Kaspar)
Berggren(22) - Dubois(24) - Konecny(26)
Ramsussen(24) - Copp(28) - Fabbri (#9 OA)
Mazur(21) - Veleno - Kubalik (Soderblom)

-Bolded would be the core group and their age.
-Non bold would leave when their contracts expire and be replaced by bracketed players.

I mean if we can close our eyes and turn Raymond and some magic beans into this and still keep #9 OA, Big Ed, Kaspar, Cossa and Wallinder. … that would be tempting!

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

If I am Steve I would push Vancouver to see if I can get 11 and a future 1 for 9 and our third. If Vancouver is truly that desperate, take them over the coals.

Vancouver wanting to trade up makes me wonder if Pettersson has already told them he is out the door.

 

[norrisnick]

Vancouver wanting to trade up makes me wonder if Pettersson has already told them he is out the door.

'Tis the season, apparently.