Speculation: Trade Ideas and Free Agency XIV

[AKL]

Why would Arizona move the #3 pick for Pominville, Vanek and #20? There are better ways to reach the cap floor.

 

[Digitalbooya]

This thread needs more proposals...

Brodin+Nino+Coyle+#20 for Tarasenko
Pominville for 31+Grigs
Pominville for #22
Spurgeon+#20 for Pulkkinen+#19
Brodin+Granlund+#20 for Johansen+#38
Granlund+Spurgeon+#20 for RNH
Coyle+Tuch for Draisaitl
Scandella for #10
Spurgeon+#50 for #11

At least ONE of these has to make sense for both teams... right?

 

[AKL]

This thread needs more proposals...

Pominville for #22
Spurgeon+#20 for Pulkkinen+#19


At least ONE of these has to make sense for both teams... right?

Those two are alright. Deals I would do but could also see the other team doing. Think the WSH deal needs slightly more coming to us though.

 

[plock]

This thread needs more proposals...

Brodin+Nino+Coyle+#20 for Tarasenko
Pominville for 31+Grigs
Pominville for #22
Spurgeon+#20 for Pulkkinen+#19
Brodin+Granlund+#20 for Johansen+#38
Granlund+Spurgeon+#20 for RNH
Coyle+Tuch for Draisaitl
Scandella for #10
Spurgeon+#50 for #11

At least ONE of these has to make sense for both teams... right?

Brodin+Nino+Coyle+#20 for Tarasenko= Minnesota says no
Pominville for 31+Grigs=Buffalo says no
Pominville for #22=Washington says no
Spurgeon+#20 for Pulkkinen+#19=I like this idea
Brodin+Granlund+#20 for Johansen+#38=Columbus says no
Granlund+Spurgeon+#20 for RNH=Wild say no
Coyle+Tuch for Draisaitl=Both teams say no
Scandella for #10=Colorado says no and Patrick Roy threatens to sue you
Spurgeon+#50 for #11=Florida says no

The winner is...
Spurgeon+#20 for Pulkkinen+#19

 

[AKL]

Don't think WSH would say no, they get the #1 RW they need now,

 

[Puhis]

I'd want a bit more than Pulkkinen and up one spot for Spurgeon. I've entertained the idea before, but something like Pulkkinen + 1st for Spurgeon + 2nd would be good.

 

[plock]

I'd want a bit more than Pulkkinen and up one spot for Spurgeon. I've entertained the idea before, but something like Pulkkinen + 1st for Spurgeon + 2nd would be good.

That would be an even bigger steal for Fletcher than Nino,don't see it happening though.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Those two are alright. Deals I would do but could also see the other team doing. Think the WSH deal needs slightly more coming to us though.

I agree those two are the ones that make the most sense for each team.

Brodin+Nino+Coyle+#20 for Tarasenko= Minnesota says no
Pominville for 31+Grigs=Buffalo says no
Pominville for #22=Washington says no
Spurgeon+#20 for Pulkkinen+#19=I like this idea
Brodin+Granlund+#20 for Johansen+#38=Columbus says no
Granlund+Spurgeon+#20 for RNH=Wild say no
Coyle+Tuch for Draisaitl=Both teams say no
Scandella for #10=Colorado says no and Patrick Roy threatens to sue you
Spurgeon+#50 for #11=Florida says no

The winner is...
Spurgeon+#20 for Pulkkinen+#19

Good deals:
Pominville for #22+4th (per AKL request)
Spurgeon+#20 for Pulkkinen+#19+4th (per Puhis request)

Bold:
#20+#50+1st 2016+Tuch for Tarasenko, if declined offersheet him for $9m per year. If the Blues match then life goes on.

Retries:
Brodin+Granlund+#50 for Johansen
Granlund+Dumba for RNH+#57
Tuch+Lucia+3rd for Draisaitl
Scandella for #12 (Kyle Connor)

I'd want a bit more than Pulkkinen and up one spot for Spurgeon. I've entertained the idea before, but something like Pulkkinen + 1st for Spurgeon + 2nd would be good.

I think that drop makes Detroit hang up.

 

[Puhis]

That would be an even bigger steal for Fletcher than Nino,don't see it happening though.

Not really. Nino was a #5 overall and his agent asked for a trade. His value was at an all-time low, but he had the draft pedigree.

Pulkkinen was a 2010 4th round pick. Yeah, he's scored a bunch... in the AHL. So far, his biggest assets seem to be the Holy Slapperâ„¢ as well as goal scoring in general. However, it is not certain whether those will translate to NHL level.

Spurgeon, however, is an established top-4 defenseman. He is right-handed, capable of playing both on PP and PK, has a really good first pass and great hands. While he lacks in stature, he is otherwise a complete package. Furthermore, he has one more year left on a very good contract ($2.66m) and is an RFA after his current contract expires. Therefore, he is a very valuable piece, and should be treated as such.

Yes, Pulkkinen is a good prospect, who could turn into a 30-goal scorer in NHL. However, as of right now, I would say his value is not that of Spurgeon's, nor is it close enough to move up only one position in the draft.

 

[plock]

Not really. Nino was a #5 overall and his agent asked for a trade. His value was at an all-time low, but he had the draft pedigree.

Pulkkinen was a 2010 4th round pick. Yeah, he's scored a bunch... in the AHL. So far, his biggest assets seem to be the Holy Slapper™ as well as goal scoring in general. However, it is not certain whether those will translate to NHL level.

Spurgeon, however, is an established top-4 defenseman. He is right-handed, capable of playing both on PP and PK, has a really good first pass and great hands. While he lacks in stature, he is otherwise a complete package. Furthermore, he has one more year left on a very good contract ($2.66m) and is an RFA after his current contract expires. Therefore, he is a very valuable piece, and should be treated as such.

Yes, Pulkkinen is a good prospect, who could turn into a 30-goal scorer in NHL. However, as of right now, I would say his value is not that of Spurgeon's, nor is it close enough to move up only one position in the draft.

It's not the Spurgeon vs. Pulkkinen part that's the steal its the draft picks,most notably moving up from 50 to 19.

This trade would free up some cap space and allow them to bring in a veteran defenseman like Paul Martin (if the price were right).A guy like Martin could do a lot to help in the development of Dumba and Scandella,kind of like Keith Carney did for Brent Burns.

 

[forthewild]

Don't think WSH would say no, they get the #1 RW they need now,

Agree on this one, I think WSH would take that deal just because they get a RW player they need now.

Tho would wild be open to this deal barring a need to clear cap space?

 

[AKL]

Agree on this one, I think WSH would take that deal just because they get a RW player they need now.

Tho would wild be open to this deal barring a need to clear cap space?

Probably not, unless they think they can stomach the RW loss, or they think Tuch/other prospect or player can step in much sooner than expected.

 

[TaLoN]

If there is no transfer agreement then the current situation applies and NHL teams cannot sign players who are under contract to KHL teams.Players such as Guryanov and Samsonov would not be able to be signed until after their current KHL contracts expire,this makes them riskier draft picks,which was the point I was making that started this whole discussion.

Or, as has been happening and killing the KHL, their players are leaving for nothing. Neither league recognizes each others contracts as is right now, and the NHL has been winning in terms of getting the players over here in recent years.

 

[plock]

Or, as has been happening and killing the KHL, their players are leaving for nothing. Neither league recognizes each others contracts as is right now, and the NHL has been winning in terms of getting the players over here in recent years.

The NHL and KHL currently have an agreement that prohibits this.

 

[TaLoN]

The NHL and KHL currently have an agreement that prohibits this.

Ok I stand corrected on that, but I still point out that the status-quo has been killing the KHL and the young players have been leaving the KHL. Changing nothing still benefits the NHL as it is stable and has a clear future and the young players have been leaving the KHL as soon as they are able.

The NHL has no incentive to change.

 

[plock]

Ok I stand corrected on that, but I still point out that the status-quo has been killing the KHL and the young players have been leaving the KHL. Changing nothing still benefits the NHL as it is stable and has a clear future and the young players have been leaving the KHL as soon as they are able.

The NHL has no incentive to change.

The best players usually want to play in the best league,that is not going to change because of any transfer agreement between the KHL and NHL.A Russian player that wants to play in the NHL and knows there is a spot for him on some team probably doesn't resign in Russia but at the same time he may also be apprehensive about signing a 2 way NHL contract,there is not a lot of appeal in playing for significantly less money in Des Moines or West Valley City,Utah.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Probably not, unless they think they can stomach the RW loss, or they think Tuch/other prospect or player can step in much sooner than expected.

If we do both of these deals...

Good deals:
Pominville for #22+4th (per AKL request)
Spurgeon+#20 for Pulkkinen+#19+4th (per Puhis request)

I think we could make it work. Not to mention the cap space available and an extra 1st.

Parise-Granlund-Nino
Zucker-Koivu-Pulkkinen
Vanek-Coyle-Fontaine
Haula-Graovac-Schroeder

Suter-Brodin
Scandella-Dumba
Martin/Reilly/Olofsson-Folin

Dubnyk/Niemi
Kuemper

#19 ~ White/Eriksson Ek
#22 ~ Guryanov (worth the risk)

 

[TaLoN]

ELC's are two way and that's a known fact, if he fears that fact he's not serious about his NHL dream. Something that would be fleshed out in the draft preparation process of interviews etc.

 

[plock]

ELC's are two way and that's a known fact, if he fears that fact he's not serious about his NHL dream. Something that would be fleshed out in the draft preparation process of interviews etc.

For guys like Tarasanko or Malkin it's an easy decision,they know they won't be spending any significant amount of time in the AHL.For guys like Ilya Samsonov,who won't be able to sign an ELC until he is 21 (under the current situation) and probably not get a spot on the NHL for 2 years or more, it may make sense to them to sign a 3 year extension in the KHL and sign a one year ELC at 24.In that 3 years Samsonov could possibly make $2-$4 million which,in a country where the average yearly income is $7,000, is a massive amount of money.

 

[TaLoN]

For guys like Tarasanko or Malkin it's an easy decision,they know they won't be spending any significant amount of time in the AHL.For guys like Ilya Samsonov,who won't be able to sign an ELC until he is 21 (under the current situation) and probably not get a spot on the NHL for 2 years or more, it may make sense to them to sign a 3 year extension in the KHL and sign a one year ELC at 24.In that 3 years Samsonov could possibly make $2-$4 million which,in a country where the average yearly income is $7,000, is a massive amount of money.

With the instability of the KHL? I doubt it. He'd be better off in the AHL and possibly getting calls to the NHL to chip away at his waiver eligibility and get past that ELC sooner.

The KHL was banking on your thought process for keeping it's players by offering more money and the players have still kept leaving, and they are losing more money than they can afford to with how high they've tried to pay their players to keep them.

 

[AKL]

I'm curious if Fletcher made an offer for #3. Wouldn't it be exciting if he acquired it? I know he's almost certainly not in on it, but it'd be a pleasant surprise if he was.

 

[TaLoN]

I'm curious if Fletcher made an offer for #3. Wouldn't it be exciting if he acquired it? I know he's almost certainly not in on it, but it'd be a pleasant surprise if he was.

If he made an offer, I'd fear what the offer is... it would not be cheap to jump THAT far up the board.

 

[AKL]

I'm sure it would be ugly, but landing Hanifin would be so, so sweet.

 

[gwh]

Spurgeon+#20 for Pulkkinen+#19
Coyle+Tuch for Draisaitl
Spurgeon+#50 for #11

I like these.

Spurgeon for draisaitl+ ?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Brodin+Nino+Coyle+#20 for Tarasenko= Minnesota says no
Pominville for 31+Grigs=Buffalo says no
Pominville for #22=Washington says no
Spurgeon+#20 for Pulkkinen+#19=I like this idea
Brodin+Granlund+#20 for Johansen+#38=Columbus says no
Granlund+Spurgeon+#20 for RNH=Wild say no
Coyle+Tuch for Draisaitl=Both teams say no
Scandella for #10=Colorado says no and Patrick Roy threatens to sue you
Spurgeon+#50 for #11=Florida says no

The winner is...
Spurgeon+#20 for Pulkkinen+#19

Spurgeon is worth that package without including #20.