Speculation: Trade Ideas and Free Agency XIV

[Minnesota]

Pominville would have to go in any circumstance but we could be buying low and flipping Poms and our 2nd for him. Skinner has low value due to injury history and contract.

Edit- My offer was terrible value for the Canes. It'd be more like Poms, Tuch and our 2nd

I know age is a factor in the equation, but Pominville during a down year still outscores Skinner. I wouldn't add Tuch if we're creating a package to nab him.

 

[TwiztedHeat]

That's Hurricanes fans overvaluing Skinner. On an off year, Pominville still outscores Skinner. I wouldn't add Tuch if we're creating a package to nab him.

I imagine they want to trade him to gain cheap assets though. I'd much rather drop Vanek and Tuch for Skinner but that isn't happening.

 

[TZM]

I really wish Tuch isn't included in any of the possible packages, unless it involves a potential youngster from the other side. He doesn't have much value yet and the system needs up and coming players.

The Skinner deal sounds unlikely to me anyway.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I don't think the org is as eager to trade Tuch as some people here; Fletcher said on the radio this morning that Tuch was #11 on their board last year.

 

[Minnesota]

I don't think the org is as eager to trade Tuch as some people here; Fletcher said on the radio this morning that Tuch was #11 on their board last year.

I guess time will tell... That comment could come back to bite Fletcher and his scouts.

 

[Digitalbooya]

We got Reilly!

 

[Avder]

You're in for a disappointment.

Apparently he isn't.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Agreed. Spurgeon for Pul+ makes me sad. There are established forwards we could bring in instead.

Pulkkinen is just about to breakout in the NHL. Just you wait and see. In a year Spurgeon will be gone because we can't afford him.

Pulkinnen is not worth Spurgeon. Hell I've seen Detroit fans on the main board say they'd send him along with a first for just Spurgeon.

Well if you can convince them to do Pulk+#19 for Spurgeon then be my guess. One poster said they'd include a 2015 2nd if they had one. Maybe include a 2016 2nd since we don't have one?

Pulkkinen has grand total of 8 points into his NHL career. There should definitely be something coming along him besides the rise of one draft position.

I know it's the AHL but Pulk had 31g 28a 59pts in 71GP. Before Nino was traded to us he put up 28g 22a 50pts in 74GP. He could be our next Nino, he actually plays RW while being right handed, would be a cheap contract, and we gain him for a player we'll likely lose in a year anyway (Spurgeon).

What is this sudden urge to trade Spurgeon to everywhere? How about we just keep our stud defenceman?

Cap world. If Spurgeon demands $4m+ there's no way we can keep him.

I don't think the org is as eager to trade Tuch as some people here; Fletcher said on the radio this morning that Tuch was #11 on their board last year.

I'm looking forward to him being another goal scoring power forward like Nino or Coyle (when he's playing wing).

 

[TwiztedHeat]

I don't think the org is as eager to trade Tuch as some people here; Fletcher said on the radio this morning that Tuch was #11 on their board last year.

I'm not advocating trading Tuch at all. I'm just saying that if we wanted Skinner, Tuch (or someone of that value) is being included. I just used him as a space filler to give an idea of the amount they'd want.

The signing of Reilly means something has to give. I'm kind of hoping it's just a Backstrom buyout from that deal Russo talked about but my gut tells me it's gonna be a Spurgeon trade.

 

[keppel146]

I wonder if this reilly signing affects possibly trading spurgeon or another player..

 

[ThatGuy22]

Cap world. If Spurgeon demands $4m+ there's no way we can keep him.

In a cap world, a borderline top pairing defender that makes 2.6 Million dollars, and is still an RFA after it expires is extremely valuable to a team with playoff/contented aspirations.

 

[ThatGuy22]

I wonder if this reilly signing affects possibly trading spurgeon or another player..

Acquiring a prospect with zero professional experience should not have any immediate effect on our top 4 defensemen(any of them).

The Wild aren't blowing things up and rebuilding. There is zero shot they are going to count on Reilly for anything this year. Any NHL level production they get is a bonus.

 

[Spurgeon]

Pulkkinen is just about to breakout in the NHL. Just you wait and see. In a year Spurgeon will be gone because we can't afford him.

Well if you can convince them to do Pulk+#19 for Spurgeon then be my guess. One poster said they'd include a 2015 2nd if they had one. Maybe include a 2016 2nd since we don't have one?
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That's already been offered before. Still wouldn't do it. That doesn't make us better next year, which I feel is our best year at a cup run.

 

[this providence]

Continues to be astonishing how much Spurgeon is undervalued.

By his own team fans even.

 

[ThatGuy22]

Continues to be astonishing how much Spurgeon is undervalued.

By his own team fans even.

Absolutely, its driving me figuratively insane.

 

[this providence]

Absolutely, its driving me figuratively insane.

Kind of makes you want to see him traded so those same people can come make silly proposal after silly proposal for players not half as good to replace the massive hole created. Kind of.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Continues to be astonishing how much Spurgeon is undervalued.

By his own team fans even.

I sort of understand the idea of wanting to get value for a player that you think isn't long with the organization anyways, but without a) even knowing what he's asking for and b) knowing the salary cap next summer, it's still very premature.

 

[Digitalbooya]

So what do you guys think Spurgeon would receive in a trade?

 

[ThatGuy22]

I sort of understand the idea of wanting to get value for a player that you think isn't long with the organization anyways, but without a) even knowing what he's asking for and b) the salary cap next summer, it's still very premature.

I get that idea, but you when in the history of the NHL has a team started doing that TWO YEARS before he's eligible for UFA. You only occasionally see it happen with a full season left.

Spurgeon's value to the Minnesota Wild at 2.6 Million, ie their cheapest top 4 defender, is massive for this season. It would just be pissing that away to trade him now.

 

[ThatGuy22]

So what do you guys think Spurgeon would receive in a trade?

By pretty much any statistical measure, Spurgeon is a top 60 NHL defender. Thus a top pairing defender.

They don't get traded for prospects.

At minimum he should return a 1st and top prospect. But that's besides the point because the Wild should not be looking to trade him, unless its in a package for established 1C (RNH, Couture)

 

[keppel146]

I'm a fan of keeping spurg; It was just a thought.

 

[plock]

So what do you guys think Spurgeon would receive in a trade?

I think a lot of people will be fairly disappointed in what the Wild would get for Spurgeon in a straight player for player trade.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

So what do you guys think Spurgeon would receive in a trade?

He's probably undervalued because of his size, so you're not going to get the player equivalent at another position. You'd be looking at 2ish future pieces.

I think Detroit does #19 + Pulkkinen without much hesitation, unless they're planning on targeting Mike Green in FA. And while that is a fine future package, I wouldn't do it. I'd rather have him play for us for this year, and take the drop down in value next offseason, if he is even dealt at all (not a guarantee).

 

[Digitalbooya]

By pretty much any statistical measure, Spurgeon is a top 60 NHL defender. Thus a top pairing defender.

They don't get traded for prospects.

At minimum he should return a 1st and top prospect. But that's besides the point because the Wild should not be looking to trade him, unless its in a package for established 1C (RNH, Couture)

Corsi Relative QoC: 95th
Offensive Zone finish %: 149th

I think we could get 1st 2016+Pulkkinen for him if we traded him right now. Don't think so in this draft.

 

[plock]

By pretty much any statistical measure, Spurgeon is a top 60 NHL defender. Thus a top pairing defender.

They don't get traded for prospects.

At minimum he should return a 1st and top prospect. But that's besides the point because the Wild should not be looking to trade him, unless its in a package for established 1C (RNH, Couture)

If Spurgeon is a top 60 defender it is just barely,55-60.I don't see anybody giving up a top pairing defender for him or a 1st + top prospect (maybe at the trade deadline not now).

Also using stats that are affected by the entire team to judge individual performance is somewhat specious.