Trade, FA and Rumours 2022/23

[KingBogo]

Which is still not going all in.

I prefer that myself, in the long run, but it may not be enough to enable a deep run this year.

No but it is walking the line of trying to make yourself better now and in the future. We will see how the team looks after the deadline tomorrow.

 

[robertocarlos]

There is no doubt that Chevy is going to make some type of move. He basically has no choice other teams relatively in the same position are making several moves. No playoffs this year will just send a clear message to several of our stars including helly.

It doesn't really matter what Chevy does tomorrow. If the Jets make the playoffs, Ca-ching, he is golden. If the Jets miss, he's toast. His best bet is a Calgary loss tonight.

 

[kanadalainen]

Edmonton picked up Ekholm and Bjugstad. Jesus Henry, that will really help them.

 

[Jet]

Sure, could still happen. I would like to get schmaltz.

But we could have used Bjugstad and he went to Edm for practically nothing. Does not look like Chevy is trying very hard. Maybe we get another 3rd liner for a late pick.

Maybe he doesn't like Bjugstad?

Just because Chevy doesn't pick up every cheap player doesn't mean he isn't trying.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

2 years term. Next season he would be in the same position PLD, Scheifele and Helly are in this season. Ottawa won out because Arizona wanted the best 2023 1st round pick as possible.

There is a fairly good chance that Ottawa's pick and our pick are very nearly equal. But that was their reasoning. But if the rest of our package blew theirs out of the water, which it very easily could have, that chance of a higher pick wouldn't have been the difference maker that they made it.

Yes, 2 years term. That is 2 years more than the typical TD pickup. You are moving the goalposts a little here. You want a good young player with term. When a good young player with term goes elsewhere for a moderate price, you say the term was not enough.

Bottom line is still that Chevy is not showing any signs of being ALL IN. He is nibbling around the edges.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Chychrun was never an option here. Why do some of you think he was. It's obvious he wasn't. Arizona didn't want money back so how do the Jets trade for Chychrun if they don't want one of our current 8 d on the roster

We have enough cap space to accommodate Chychrun's contract. Why do some people think we had to send cap back? We would have had the whole off-season to free up some cap space. If PLD is traded, we have it.

Teams with no cap space at all are finding ways to acquire players and fit them in. It is just a question of wanting it badly enough to pay the price.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

a dman with term surely has to be going to other way then right..

Sometime before next season, yes. Not necessarily part of the same trade or right now.

 

[KingBogo]

There is a fairly good chance that Ottawa's pick and our pick are very nearly equal. But that was their reasoning. But if the rest of our package blew theirs out of the water, which it very easily could have, that chance of a higher pick wouldn't have been the difference maker that they made it.

Yes, 2 years term. That is 2 years more than the typical TD pickup. You are moving the goalposts a little here. You want a good young player with term. When a good young player with term goes elsewhere for a moderate price, you say the term was not enough.

Bottom line is still that Chevy is not showing any signs of being ALL IN. He is nibbling around the edges.

I'm not saying Chychrun wouldn't have helped, but I was never out there advocating for him. Personally I think he is a bit overrated, most definitely injury prone and 2 years term is barely having term. And yes our pick is maybe close to Ottawa's but Arizona would have done their own analysis and determined they liked Ottawa's pick best. And I'm not sure why you would think Chevy would be all in. I think he is obviously not all in. IMO Chevy is trying to walk a line of improving the team without giving up the future. You can call it nibbling around the edges I guess. But I think he is willing to make a big swing if he can get a young player with term he is willing to pay the price for.

 

[blueandgoldguy]

As of right now, nothing has been done to improve the team. Nino just replaces an injured Perfetti and the club was struggling immensely with Perfetti in the lineup.

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

A lot of people also overlook the fact that many players, who would be good additions to our team and easily within Chevy's algorithm, also have clauses that allow them to refuse any trade to Winnipeg.

Overblown issue. How many of the recent trades involve a player with NMC or NTC?

Gustaffson, Gostisbehere, Jensen, Chchryrun, Ekholm, Gavrikov, Schenn, Meier, Barbashev, Acciari, Laffery, Bertuzi, Bjustad, O'Reilly, Puljujarvi, Nyquist or Neidomeier?

I guess there was Patrick Kane for whom NYR was the only destination.

 

[Daximus]

If the plan is to go after a big fish we have to wait until deadline day to do it because if cap implications. Don't lose hope yet guys. Our hands are tied until tomorrow anyways.

 

[John Agar]

What are you talking about?

Two different companies in two starkly different markets with different cultures and different fan base sizes.

Idgaf what you think about the Provorov situation, I don't want to talk about it but it's undeniable that the Jets put a heavy weight on equality and social justice. Though as I've come to realize through this original discussion there's plenty of good ol boys in Manitoba, but urban Canadians and Winnipeg specifically are much more evolved in the realm of equality.

The Rangers have a huge fan base and can afford to be less concened about these issues, coupled with the fact that more Americans are wilfully ignorant to the needs of minorities.

What do you mean...?

By what do I mean...?

 

[blueandgoldguy]

I'm not saying Chychrun wouldn't have helped, but I was never out there advocating for him. Personally I think he is a bit overrated, most definitely injury prone and 2 years term is barely having term. And yes our pick is maybe close to Ottawa's but Arizona would have done their own analysis and determined they liked Ottawa's pick best. And I'm not sure why you would think Chevy would be all in. I think he is obviously not all in. IMO Chevy is trying to walk a line of improving the team without giving up the future. You can call it nibbling around the edges I guess. But I think he is willing to make a big swing if he can get a young player with term he is willing to pay the price for.

lol it's nearly 2.5 year term (3 playoff runs) on a d-man who is easily a top pairing d-man. If that is not significant term I don't know what is?

Chevy not producing significant results at the trade deadline significantly increases the chances the Jets will be bounced in the first round of the playoffs (or possibly not even make the playoffs) rather easily. That in turn will increase the likelihood that one or both of Hellybuyck and Scheifele will not re-sign with the Jets. That will mean a rebuild as we are not getting back comparable players for either of them.

 

[gojetsgo]

 

[Zippity]

Chevy will make a stealth move tomorrow that will surprise us. No way that he just adds window dressing.

Lol

 

[Jets 31]

Maybe he doesn't like Bjugstad?

Just because Chevy doesn't pick up every cheap player doesn't mean he isn't trying.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I'm not saying Chychrun wouldn't have helped, but I was never out there advocating for him. Personally I think he is a bit overrated, most definitely injury prone and 2 years term is barely having term. And yes our pick is maybe close to Ottawa's but Arizona would have done their own analysis and determined they liked Ottawa's pick best. And I'm not sure why you would think Chevy would be all in. I think he is obviously not all in. IMO Chevy is trying to walk a line of improving the team without giving up the future. You can call it nibbling around the edges I guess. But I think he is willing to make a big swing if he can get a young player with term he is willing to pay the price for.

That's all I'm saying. Chevy is not all in. Just an observation. We still have a lot of people here thinking that he should be going for it. If the team was still within 1 pt of 1st in the West, he might be.

I was luke warm on Chychrun, partly because I expected the price to be higher and partly because of the durability issue.

I was not worried about the term. We would have 2 years to make him fall in love. If he didn't, 2 years of a top 2 (or3) Dman at 4.6 would have been pretty good value. There would also have been the possibility of keeping him for 1 year and then recouping assets before the last year. We would get 2 PO runs plus a return.

 

[None]

Hopefully it doesn't end up being something stupid like Heinola for JVR + some kind of depth defenseman.

 

[KingBogo]

So what scoring forwards are still out there? And interesting if your not using picks you are either using roster players or prospects.

 

[kanadalainen]

So what scoring forwards are still out there? And interesting if your not using picks you are either using roster players or prospects.

JVR?

 

[costanzaWPG]

Maybe Chevy already knows Helle isn't re-signing so he doesn't want to use picks for a big run to convince him to stay.

 

[GeorgeJETson]

Who gets moved then I wonder?

 

[Truenorthducky]

So what scoring forwards are still out there? And interesting if your not using picks you are either using roster players or prospects.

Smaltz, Garland , boeser, konekni

 

[blueandgoldguy]

Maybe Stanley plus a third rounder or Stanley plus a decent, but not blue chip prospect? Rashevsky, Chibrikov, Kuzmin? Maybe it's tough to find a team with a decent scoring forward in the final year of their contract that also values Stanley as a central piece in a trade package?

 

[Truenorthducky]

Who gets moved then I wonder?

Villie , Stanley , lambert ?