Trade, FA and Rumours 2022/23

[Mortimer Snerd]

You don't know the offers chevy had on the table for Kane prior to the big trade with Buffalo. This mindset reeks of the "chevy needed to do SOMETHING" attitude that was prevalent around here during the summer.

Sometimes no move is the best move

Sometimes, yes. Not all of the time.

Its pretty obvious that Kane's value would have been very high after his 30 goal season. We don't know what offers Chevy might have had at that time. We don't know that there were ANY offers at that time.

That was heading into the lockout season. I don't recall exactly what the market was like at that time, but the impending lockout certainly might have depressed the market.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

our 2nd rd picks are pretty weak and really haven't amounted to much. 10 selections our ppg is 0.18 across 346 gp (sans Comrie). No real stud dmen or goalies either. if we are a PO bound team, and playing strong hockey id move a 2nd (remember itll be late) for help now..... our 2nd rd picks not only don't amount to much, but also usually take 5+ years from their draft to actually do anything (if they do at all).

So ..... we are due for some better players in the 2nd rd.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I really doubt Trouba lost value while proving he’s a legit point producer and power play weapon.

Trade PLD for that eternal rebuild you’re hoping for.

what do you see a PLD trade looking like today Vs, end of the year Vs rental at next year’s trade deadline?

Trouba lost value by making it known he would only sign with 1 team.

Next year's trade deadline is not one of the options for any of those players. This team is not going to be a bottom dweller at TD time. So players will be kept as own rentals. So they need to be signed or moved this off-season.

 

[Jet]

I wanted Trouba moved 2 seasons from UFA. We allowed ourselves to get painted into a corner by not moving him earlier when teams would have 2 years of control.

We are about to do the same with PLD.

It's ok that you don't believe this team can win as is, but for those of us who do believe, moving PLD now is dumb.

 

[Huffer]

I have to think that the team makes long term decisions on Scheifele, Dubois, and Helle this offseason.

And also address the D and possibly make a move or two as we'll have too many D that require waivers that we don't want to lose for nothing, AND Heinola who while having another year without needing waivers, I can't see being open to another year on the Moose.

 

[WaveRaven]

I really doubt Trouba lost value while proving he’s a legit point producer and power play weapon.

Trade PLD for that eternal rebuild you’re hoping for.

what do you see a PLD trade looking like today Vs, end of the year Vs rental at next year’s trade deadline?

I don't understand this question. Nobody knows exactly I'm not going to throw out a bunch of names. I'm going to apply logic.

If I am selling something that expires when does it have the most value ?

A. 2 years to go.
B. 1.25 years to go
C. 1 year to go
D. Tomorrow.

 

[tbcwpg]

I don't understand this question. Nobody knows exactly I'm not going to throw out a bunch of names. I'm going to apply logic.

If I am selling something that expires when does it have the most value ?

A. 2 years to go.
B. 1.25 years to go
C. 1 year to go
D. Tomorrow.

Depends when I need what you're selling and for how long I need it. If I want a new convertible to drive in June, it has no more value to me in November than it does in April.

 

[Teppo Numenor]

It's ok that you don't believe this team can win as is, but for those of us who do believe, moving PLD now is dumb.

If the team continues to play this way, maybe we can sign him long term. I can't blame anyone for wanting out of last year's tire fire.

 

[KingBogo]

Depends when I need what you're selling and for how long I need it. If I want a new convertible to drive in June, it has no more value to me in November than it does in April.

It might have less value as you will have to maintain it and pay insurance for an extra 6 months.

 

[KingBogo]

It's ok that you don't believe this team can win as is, but for those of us who do believe, moving PLD now is dumb.

You can’t move PLD or any top player now. The team has bought in and are playing well. This season will now be all about taking the best shot they can at having team success.

 

[bumblebeeman]

Ok so assuming Dubois still wants to go to Montreal, and the Jets try and make it happen this summer what would you ask for? It seems to me their players now are either too good and young like Suzuki or Caufield for example, or just not good enough at all. Plus, Montreal probably won't want to trade away a 1st since they are rebuilding, unless they want to try a quick rebuild.

I wish he wanted to go to a team with an extra top pairing RHD kicking around haha

 

[voyageur]

So ..... we are due for some better players in the 2nd rd.

Gustafsson, Lundmark, Torgersson, Salomonsson. And maybe Chibrikov, but drafting Swedes in the 2nd round seems to be working.

Can't forget Samberg either, I think he's going to be a good one, once the game slows down for him.

The tide is turning.

 

[WaveRaven]

Ok so assuming Dubois still wants to go to Montreal, and the Jets try and make it happen this summer what would you ask for? It seems to me their players now are either too good and young like Suzuki or Caufield for example, or just not good enough at all. Plus, Montreal probably won't want to trade away a 1st since they are rebuilding, unless they want to try a quick rebuild.

I wish he wanted to go to a team with an extra top pairing RHD kicking around haha

If truly wants to go there then they dont need to make significant offers really. They could just bide their time.

 

[Hunter368]

Ok so assuming Dubois still wants to go to Montreal, and the Jets try and make it happen this summer what would you ask for? It seems to me their players now are either too good and young like Suzuki or Caufield for example, or just not good enough at all. Plus, Montreal probably won't want to trade away a 1st since they are rebuilding, unless they want to try a quick rebuild.

I wish he wanted to go to a team with an extra top pairing RHD kicking around haha

If the Jets trade him this summer and its to the Habs, you are correct they either have a few good young players/prospects or nothing but trash. Again purely using your agenda of only to the Habs, we can assume none of those top prospects/young players would be included in a return. The only player IMO that has any value on that team outside of those young players is Dvorak and after this year he will have two years left on his contract vs PLD one year of team control. So Dvorak+ a decent but not great prospect (B level prospect, like Farrell, Roy, Beck, Kidney). People will rage, but Dvorak is a good 3C & great at FO's and those prospects are ok, not super exciting but ok, Chevy might also push for a mid range pick also. Small market teams operate at a disadvantage retaining players often.

Trouba returned a 1st rd and Pionk, at that time Pionk was not well thought of or liked by the Rangers. IMO Dvorak (2 years control) plus mid range (3rd - 4th rd pick) pick & one of those prospects I listed above is about similar value. Positive to it is let the Habs pay PLD 8.5-9.5 million per year after next season, frees up our cap. Of course the Habs could wait 1.5 years and then sign him as a UFA, but thats a big risk, bc we all seen players get lured by big money offered by other teams in the past.

That being said I don't buy into the idea Habs are the highest offer if PLD was traded this summer without some serious offers from other teams in need of a center.

 

[ello]

If the Jets trade him this summer and its to the Habs, you are correct they either have a few good young players/prospects or nothing but trash. Again purely using your agenda of only to the Habs, we can assume none of those top prospects/young players would be included in a return. The only player IMO that has any value on that team outside of those young players is Dvorak and after this year he will have two years left on his contract vs PLD one year of team control. So Dvorak+ a decent but not great prospect (B level prospect, like Farrell, Roy, Beck, Kidney). People will rage, but Dvorak is a good 3C & great at FO's and those prospects are ok, not super exciting but ok, Chevy might also push for a mid range pick also. Small market teams operate at a disadvantage retaining players often.

Trouba returned a 1st rd and Pionk, at that time Pionk was not well thought of or liked by the Rangers. IMO Dvorak (2 years control) plus mid range (3rd - 4th rd pick) pick & one of those prospects I listed above is about similar value. Positive to it is let the Habs pay PLD 8.5-9.5 million per year after next season, frees up our cap. Of course the Habs could wait 1.5 years and then sign him as a UFA, but thats a big risk, bc we all seen players get lured by big money offered by other teams in the past.

That being said I don't buy into the idea Habs are the highest offer if PLD was traded this summer without some serious offers from other teams in need of a center.

Dvorak as the centre piece of any deal would be a failure

 

[snowkiddin]

If the Jets trade him this summer and its to the Habs, you are correct they either have a few good young players/prospects or nothing but trash. Again purely using your agenda of only to the Habs, we can assume none of those top prospects/young players would be included in a return. The only player IMO that has any value on that team outside of those young players is Dvorak and after this year he will have two years left on his contract vs PLD one year of team control. So Dvorak+ a decent but not great prospect (B level prospect, like Farrell, Roy, Beck, Kidney). People will rage, but Dvorak is a good 3C & great at FO's and those prospects are ok, not super exciting but ok, Chevy might also push for a mid range pick also. Small market teams operate at a disadvantage retaining players often.

Trouba returned a 1st rd and Pionk, at that time Pionk was not well thought of or liked by the Rangers. IMO Dvorak (2 years control) plus mid range (3rd - 4th rd pick) pick & one of those prospects I listed above is about similar value. Positive to it is let the Habs pay PLD 8.5-9.5 million per year after next season, frees up our cap. Of course the Habs could wait 1.5 years and then sign him as a UFA, but thats a big risk, bc we all seen players get lured by big money offered by other teams in the past.

That being said I don't buy into the idea Habs are the highest offer if PLD was traded this summer without some serious offers from other teams in need of a center.

My oh my, I hope the Jets don’t even consider an offer like that. Goodness me.

 

[Weezeric]

If the Jets trade him this summer and its to the Habs, you are correct they either have a few good young players/prospects or nothing but trash. Again purely using your agenda of only to the Habs, we can assume none of those top prospects/young players would be included in a return. The only player IMO that has any value on that team outside of those young players is Dvorak and after this year he will have two years left on his contract vs PLD one year of team control. So Dvorak+ a decent but not great prospect (B level prospect, like Farrell, Roy, Beck, Kidney). People will rage, but Dvorak is a good 3C & great at FO's and those prospects are ok, not super exciting but ok, Chevy might also push for a mid range pick also. Small market teams operate at a disadvantage retaining players often.

Trouba returned a 1st rd and Pionk, at that time Pionk was not well thought of or liked by the Rangers. IMO Dvorak (2 years control) plus mid range (3rd - 4th rd pick) pick & one of those prospects I listed above is about similar value. Positive to it is let the Habs pay PLD 8.5-9.5 million per year after next season, frees up our cap. Of course the Habs could wait 1.5 years and then sign him as a UFA, but thats a big risk, bc we all seen players get lured by big money offered by other teams in the past.

That being said I don't buy into the idea Habs are the highest offer if PLD was traded this summer without some serious offers from other teams in need of a center.

Would rather the Jets keep him until he walks than accept that offer….

 

[Hunter368]

Would rather the Jets keep him until he walks than accept that offer….

Haha, yes as I said people will rage on the return just like many did with Trouba and people will say I sooner keep him and have him walk for free. Of course PLD will not walk for free, Jets will not get some amazing mind blowing return and Chevy will take the best return he can get which will be underwhelming bc he has very little leverage. Aka Troubda 2.0

 

[Jet]

Haha, yes as I said people will rage on the return just like many did with Trouba and people will say I sooner keep him and have him walk for free. Of course PLD will not walk for free, Jets will not get some amazing mind blowing return and Chevy will take the best return he can get which will be underwhelming bc he has very little leverage. Aka Troubda 2.0

What made the return underwhelming? It's curious that a lot of the people that are super high on Heinola are also criticizing the return Chevy got on Trouba: a younger top4 defenseman, a blue chip prospect defenseman and a cap savings of 16MM up to the end of the year.

Trouba is a good defenseman, but he's not a top #1 guy in the league.

That's a good return, plain and simple

 

[Hunter368]

What made the return underwhelming? It's curious that a lot of the people that are super high on Heinola are also criticizing the return Chevy got on Trouba: a younger top4 defenseman, a blue chip prospect defenseman and a cap savings of 16MM up to the end of the year.

Trouba is a good defenseman, but he's not a top #1 guy in the league.

That's a good return, plain and simple

It was widely viewed at the time as massively underwhelming return, I was one of the few who didn't mind the return and now many other have grown to like the return also. But at the time the forum raged about the return on Trouba.

Just like people would realize Dvorak is a good 3C & FO guy and the prospect hopefully would turn out

 

[Jet]

It was widely viewed at the time as massively underwhelming return, I was one of the few who didn't mind the return and now many other have grown to like the return also. But at the time the forum raged about the return on Trouba.

Just like people would realize Dvorak is a good 3C & FO guy and the prospect hopefully would turn out

I think the one thing that still really isn't being comprehended is the value of cap space as well. 4MM per (5 MM first year) is significant for a cap team like us.

 

[WolfHouse]

If you're trading PLD for junk then send him to another team and give them a shot to sign him... Montreal will pay more than Dvorak

I'd think Dach and Florida's 1st

 

[TS Quint]

I don't understand this question. Nobody knows exactly I'm not going to throw out a bunch of names. I'm going to apply logic.

If I am selling something that expires when does it have the most value ?

A. 2 years to go.
B. 1.25 years to go
C. 1 year to go
D. Tomorrow.

It doesn’t sound like you have thought this through for making so many posts.

I would say his value was highest probably after Trouba proved he can be a top defenseman on a Conference Final team. But you want to trade that Conference Final away because you always want to get there 4 years from now. Probably after he proved he can be a legit #1D on the PP.

You might love the lottery that the draft is or the hope prospects give you but teams looking to pick up Trouba like the Rangers are teams that are wanting to win now. They don’t want to hear about your stories of how good Trouba could be in the playoffs, they want to see it. They don’t want to hear your stores of how he might be a PP point producer they want to see it.

 

[KingBogo]

It was widely viewed at the time as massively underwhelming return, I was one of the few who didn't mind the return and now many other have grown to like the return also. But at the time the forum raged about the return on Trouba.

Just like people would realize Dvorak is a good 3C & FO guy and the prospect hopefully would turn out

But just because the average fan didn’t appreciate that it was a good return and raged on it doesn’t mean that Chevy didn’t think he was getting good value back. I think any PLD trade will need to include more future upside similar to the Trouba trade.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Gustafsson, Lundmark, Torgersson, Salomonsson. And maybe Chibrikov, but drafting Swedes in the 2nd round seems to be working.

Can't forget Samberg either, I think he's going to be a good one, once the game slows down for him.

The tide is turning.

Yes, it is.
But so far all we really have is Harkins + maybes, even if some of the maybes are looking good.