Speculation: Trade Deadline

[deadhead]

The problem right now is there are no Flyer rumours, everything seems to be on hold until after the Allstar break. I figure things will heat up by the end of the first week in February, but that's two weeks away.

 

[Johnk0728]

It's being dismissed because you have yet to come up with a valid argument showing how trading Ghost, makes the Flyers better.

If the deal for a legit NHL Vet top-pairing d-man includes Gostisbehere then it makes the Flyers better. Without a doubt. The Flyers have a strength of young d-men. But they cannot expect compete under the hope that playing 5-6 young d-men at the same time will allow them to compete as legit NHL Cup contenders. They need a legit #1 d-man to help slot the d-men correctly.

 

[TheKingPin]

The problem right now is there are no Flyer rumours, everything seems to be on hold until after the Allstar break. I figure things will heat up by the end of the first week in February, but that's two weeks away.

Yea I think it’s on hold for now.

 

[Tripod]

If the deal for a legit NHL Vet top-pairing d-man includes Gostisbehere then it makes the Flyers better. Without a doubt. The Flyers have a strength of young d-men. But they cannot expect compete under the hope that playing 5-6 young d-men at the same time will allow them to compete as legit NHL Cup contenders. They need a legit #1 d-man to help slot the d-men correctly.

And tell me who this Vet top pairing Dman is. Would love to have them. But no one has come up with a deal that does that. I personally, am not married to keeping Ghost if it makes us better. But I also have not seen anyone show how trading Ghost makes us better with an attached name to the deal.

Ghost will be 26 next year and in his 5th year. When does he get vet status?

And if playing all these young guys was not the plan, then why the hell did we just sit and wait for them all to develop?

And note, I HAVE proposed deals to add a Dman within the past few weeks. So I am not tied to any one plan or certain players. But I just don't agree with the "trade Ghost and we will be better" group without seeing what the actual deal is. It's easy to say "trade Ghost for an upgrade". Show it on here who we are getting. Who is this person? I personally have said a guy like Pesce would help us...and I believe that. I also said that going after Pietrangelo if you knew he would re-sign would be something to explore. But I also think we should be upgrading our WORST Dmen well before we upgrade guys who can play to elite levels. Because that will make us even better.

So who do you go after, and for what? Let's see what you got.

 

[Tripod]

Yea I think it’s on hold for now.

And I think the NHL itself wants it that way so it does not take away from All Star weekend.

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

Ghost is a vet top pairing dman. Just sayin.

 

[Beef Invictus]

We have a platoon of talent on D strong enough that we really won't need a single #1 dman.

 

[Oskar Man]

I don’t disagree, which is why it’s a matter of preference — which hole is more important to address; which hole can be mitigated easier with nhl-ready prospects, etc.

I get your point of view but think it's a lot harder to find 50+ dmen then 50+ point wingers

 

[Striiker]

I get your point of view but think it's a lot harder to find 50+ dmen then 50+ point wingers

Last year 19 defensemen had 50+ points, 99 forwards had 50+ points.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

I get your point of view but think it's a lot harder to find 50+ dmen then 50+ point wingers

I really don’t want to get repetitive, but exchanging Ghost for any 50 point winger was not my personal suggestion; perhaps it was someone else’s. My preference was for a center, but most importantly someone with a high speed/skill combo; points-wise I’d want a forward capable of hitting 30+ goals and/or 70 pts. Earlier in the season I suggested Nylander, if you want a general idea.

 

[wasup]

The problem right now is there are no Flyer rumours, everything seems to be on hold until after the Allstar break. I figure things will heat up by the end of the first week in February, but that's two weeks away.

That's complete BS Dead , we are trying to start rumors on here all the time .

 

[Oskar Man]

Last year 19 defensemen had 50+ points, 99 forwards had 50+ points.

 

[Oskar Man]

I really don’t want to get repetitive, but exchanging Ghost for any 50 point winger was not my personal suggestion; perhaps it was someone else’s. My preference was for a center, but most importantly someone with a high speed/skill combo; points-wise I’d want a forward capable of hitting 30+ goals and/or 70 pts. Earlier in the season I suggested Nylander, if you want a general idea.

My mistake, meant to say 50+ point forward

 

[YEM]

Ghost is a vet top pairing dman. Just sayin.

amazing it even had to be said

I really don’t want to get repetitive,

 

[Striiker]

Ghost is a vet top pairing dman. Just sayin.

Fact.

 

[hatcher]

fact on this board and teams but not on alot of other nhl teams.

 

[Stizzle]

This thread sucks.

 

[deadhead]

But I also think we should be upgrading our WORST Dmen well before we upgrade guys who can play to elite levels. Because that will make us even better.

Upgrading the worst defensemen is a done deal.
When you add Myers and Morin this spring, Hagg competes with Morin and and Friedman for the last spot and there's no room for MacDonald and Folin.
So next year the bottom is a moot point.

 

[Outlaw Samurai]

Upgrading the worst defensemen is a done deal.
When you add Myers and Morin this spring, Hagg competes with Morin and and Friedman for the last spot and there's no room for MacDonald and Folin.
So next year the bottom is a moot point.

That's how it's looking but what about a Myers injury? Or Morin again? Until they are actually here we have to treat the D core as flawed. A big no to trading ANY of Ghost/Provy/Sanheim.

 

[Outlaw Samurai]

To think I started this thread with noble intentions and to have fun

 

[deadhead]

I get your point of view but think it's a lot harder to find 50+ dmen then 50+ point wingers

How many ES points do you need from a defenseman?
23 D-men had 25 or more ES points last year. The year before 22.

Ghost has had 24, 16, 32, 21 prorated - 26 average excluding his injury season
Provorov, 25, 36, 29 prorated - 30 average
Gudas, 14, 22, 15, 22 prorated - 18 average
Sanheim 10, 22 prorated
Hagg, 9, 22 prorated
Even MacDonald had 17 and 20 the previous two years.
At ES there isn't a huge scoring gap between our defensemen.

Ghost and Sanheim are the best at skating the puck out of the D-zone, Provorov is up and down but just turned 22 so he can improve, Myers should also be good at this.

This suggests that Ghosts' primary value, much like Streit, is in his ability to QB the PP, which seems to have evaporated this season but that is probably a bit of a fluke. However, if the 5 forward PP is viable, a PP QB becomes less valuable to this team.

 

[TCTC]

All we need is Provorov to play like a #1 defenseman again. Ghost is always going to be #2. We don't need him to be the anchor.
Then we have Sanheim developing as our #3.

If all 3 play to their potential, we won't really need to trade for another defenseman.

 

[Tripod]

Upgrading the worst defensemen is a done deal.
When you add Myers and Morin this spring, Hagg competes with Morin and and Friedman for the last spot and there's no room for MacDonald and Folin.
So next year the bottom is a moot point.

We still don't know what Morin or Myers will be at the level. Trading away a higher end D just makes no sense at all.

 

[Striiker]

All we need is Provorov to play like a #1 defenseman again. Ghost is always going to be #2. We don't need him to be the anchor.
Then we have Sanheim developing as our #3.

If all 3 play to their potential, we won't really need to trade for another defenseman.

Ghost was better than Provorov last year.

He’s not the #2, unless you strictly judge by the TOI determined by incompetent coaches.

 

[Tripod]

Ghost...even with this bad year, is still 31st in PP points for Dmen. Werenksi has 1 more point. Josi has 1 more point. Seth Jones has 3 LESS.

When it comes to PP points, I am confident that Ghost will rebound. The 5 F trial will end at some point. Hell, should end now with the trade of Simmonds.