GDT: Trade Deadline week around the league

[raynman]

Spent two months earlier this season in the player assistance program. Dealing with some personal issues.

I don’t understand why a player would fall out of favor after that though. Did he get drunk and dip his wang in the punch at the Halloween party?

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

If the Bruins don’t win it all this year all these moves will have been for nothing and they are f***ed going forward. This is about as all in I’ve ever seen a team. Personally I think it’s stupid, even if they do win it all

 

[Sens1Canes2]

This would be nice

Guess they have to hope a team has an appetite for retaining if they want to make any sort of forward add, outside of Domi.

They could always trade Fast as part of a deal to free up $2M, or even Staal, heck that’d clear $6M…time to go big game hunting…

Fast has been … slow. Looks awful every time I watch him.

 

[chaz4hockey]

I will agree that the TDL has been underwhelming given the possibilities coming in but some of this talk is ridiculous. This is still a really good team who can absolutely make some noise come playoff time. Yes, we need our top guys to step up but so does everyone else and this was the case whether we made a big trade splash or not.

We've been in conversations for all of the big names recently and while I do think we may value our picks/prospects a little too much given our current makeup I don't think we got beat because we were cheap.

Tkachuk - would've probably taken Necas/Jarvis + Pesce to match
Horvat - Nucks wanted a 1st that was going to be low/mid teens and not mid/high 20s
Meier - from all indications it doesn't seem like we were given a fair shake; not even sure making Nikishin available would've mattered, probably takes Jarvis+ to get NJ to back out
Chychrun - again they took a 1st in the low/mid teens

Horvat and Chychrun could have been acquired by adding another draft pick in addition to the 1st. Either one would be difference makers with Horvat the one we will miss most. Of course after last night’s CDH performance a good d is needed too.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

If the Bruins don’t win it all this year all these moves will have been for nothing and they are f***ed going forward. This is about as all in I’ve ever seen a team. Personally I think it’s stupid, even if they do win it all

the cost for ELC level assets to keep them competitive next year will probably be more than these rentals. Blow your wad and hope for the best

 

[tarheelhockey]

Not sure I buy the unattractive market theory in 2023. Burns waived his NTC to be here. Tkachuk had the team on his short list. I haven’t seen anything other than valuation to explain the departures of Hamilton and Trocheck.

We're not an unattractive market. There are probably only a couple of those in the league, and even then it depends on perspective. But we're not an exceptionally attractive market. We have no edge in that area, and we're up against markets who have a lot of leverage. Whatever nice things we can say about Raleigh (and there are plenty of nice things) are being done at a higher level in other NHL cities.

Our pitch isn't about the market. It's about the opportunity to win games, and about the personalities in the room. The more we can build that argument, the more we will see the Burns type situations.

 

[Borsig]

Both this and what I said can be true at the same time. Non calls have zero to do with what is actually called a penalty. On paper Boston would likely be the most penalized team in the playoffs, we'll need to see if it actually works out that way

Lol. What do you think?

We've seen this before. Boston will take liberties if your pp sucks.

 

[chaz4hockey]

Ain’t nothing going to change without an organizational philosophy change. And an organizational philosophy change ain’t happening.

Ticket sale declines will move the needle.

Right now, team is market favored but string a bunch of disappointing post seasons together and sales will soften.

I really enjoy(ed) having season tickets again and have traveled up from Fl several times for the games. Will I do that in the future: depends on off season moves?

Btw: our defense is in their prime and Burns doesn’t have many productive years left. We are missing a good window.

 

[Svechhammer]

 

[chaz4hockey]

Maybe the best strategy isn't to pay anything this year with NYR bos NJ and Toronto all loading up.
Let them blow their wad and try next year.

We aren't competing with any of those offers on any of those players, so why throw anything away of value on a wild swing at the most wepaonzied eastern conference playoffs ever?

f*** it. Run what you brung. Go for longer deals if available (pool party signing) and throw the dice in the playoffs.

I mean it's not like paying to get in the bloodbath will do us any good when we can't score anyways.

I believe NJ will be the next league multi-year powerhouse. This year is our window.

 

[Borsig]

I believe NJ will be the next league multi-year powerhouse. This year is our window.

I think we have a longer window than that, but burns and Staal will start to slide after that, and there are goaltending issues.

 

[LostInaLostWorld]

Paying more in trades means losing 1st round picks. That means you run out of young talent in a hurry, which means getting into cap hell because you're overpaying UFAs. That means long stretches outside the playoffs and perhaps becoming an outright tank team.

Remember when a long stretch outside the playoffs had us one Tom Dundon acquisition away from being in no-bullshit relocation negotiations? It's not advisable to build stretches like that into our business model.



True, but you could say that about any city in the league. Buffalo has guys who choose to stay in retirement. Columbus, even Winnipeg. If you settle down anywhere and happen to be super rich and treated like royalty, that will be a nice place to retire. Raleigh doesn't really have a market edge in that respect (especially now that it's no longer dirt cheap to buy property here).



In the long run, the best strategy for our franchise is to be experts at distressed assets. Every so often, an elite player wears out his welcome and gets moved for way less than he should cost. Joe Thornton is probably the all-time example of that, but lower level examples come up maybe once a year or so. Those are the best opportunities to move the needle without cutting ourselves off at the knees long-term. Trying to compete with the field for free agents won't get us anywhere, and dumping draft picks to get an edge on the trade market catches up quickly. We have a niche as an org that can run with the big dogs by playing moneyball. Part of being successful is knowing who we are, and sticking to it.

One thing to add to the Raleigh market discussion is endorsement deals or lack thereof. Big name players can make big coin in big time markets for both national and local deals. Middling players in "hockey" markets can pick up some extra change locally like car dealerships and whatnot.

Raleigh had Laco Tacos...

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

He’s gonna come back for the playoffs I bet

 

[Blueline Bomber]

I believe NJ will be the next league multi-year powerhouse. This year is our window.

A window shouldn't be a single year. If it is, you've screwed up somewhere. Our window is just opening. It's this year, next year, and (god willing) the years that follow.

Next year would be the ideal time to make a push, simply because we've got so many upcoming UFA/RFA after next season. So our team will likely make drastic changes after next season anyway.

 

[sheriff bart]

1. Ticket sale declines will move the needle.

2. Right now, team is market favored but string a bunch of disappointing post seasons together and sales will soften.

I took the liberty of numbering a couple of your thoughts. I agree totally with 1. A winning product on the ice has really moved ticket sales and the needle. Losing will impact it the opposite direction.

On 2, I don't see that we have seen a "bunch of disappointing post seasons" or that we are close to it. After a decade of seeing a bunch of meaningless games after the calendar flipped to the new year, this has been a great ride. Canes have at least won a round for 4 straight years under Rod and have been in an ECF's. Hardly disappointing (to me at least). I'll say it again. Only one team gets to hoist the Cup. There has to be success other than that. Do I want them to go for it...absolutely. Do I want them to make stupid decisions only to possibly flame out anyway? Nope. I do enjoy having a fun team to watch, now and in the future.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

On 2, I don't see that we have seen a "bunch of disappointing post seasons" or that we are close to it. After a decade of seeing a bunch of meaningless games after the calendar flipped to the new year, this has been a great ride. Canes have at least won a round for 4 straight years under Rod and have been in an ECF's. Hardly disappointing (to me at least). I'll say it again. Only one team gets to hoist the Cup. There has to be success other than that. Do I want them to go for it...absolutely. Do I want them to make stupid decisions only to possibly flame out anyway? Nope. I do enjoy having a fun team to watch, now and in the future.

Recency bias is a bitch.

 

[CanesFanBudMan]

If the Bruins don’t win it all this year all these moves will have been for nothing and they are f***ed going forward. This is about as all in I’ve ever seen a team. Personally I think it’s stupid, even if they do win it all

This was always the the last year of the bruins window.

 

[Stickpucker]

The chicken little responses at a team paying too much for a 4 goal scorer at the very end of the cup contention is pretty funny.

c'mon dude....you know this isn't about Bert. It's about Meier and Horvat and any other deal we were too cheap to make while being "aggressive"

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Can't lie, I'm interested in watching Kane with the NYR. Also, Tarasenko was interviewed after last night's game. I never really paid that much attention to him outside of his on ice play, but he's a pretty soft spoke and reserved, almost seemingly shy, guy. Said he doesn't like change so was very nervous being traded to the NYR. Of course I can't tell from 1 single interview, but really came across as a good dude.

 

[ndp]

I know some of you guys here aren’t super high on Cory’s reporting, but I think he’s probably the closest thing the Hurricanes have to an insiderrrr. He’s likely got his finger on the pulse more than any other journalist covering this team.

 

[MinJaBen]

Can't lie, I'm interested in watching Kane with the NYR. Also, Tarasenko was interviewed after last night's game. I never really paid that much attention to him outside of his on ice play, but he's a pretty soft spoke and reserved, almost seemingly shy, guy. Said he doesn't like change so was very nervous being traded to the NYR. Of course I can't tell from 1 single interview, but really came across as a good dude.

Yeah, saw the interview as well. It was good and lacked all the usual stupid sound bites.

 

[tarheelhockey]

c'mon dude....you know this isn't about Bert. It's about Meier and Horvat and any other deal we were too cheap to make while being "aggressive"

Somehow it seems to also be about TDA, who keeps getting brought up even though he's a perfect example of our system working the way it's supposed to.

 

[ndp]

I tend to agree with this assessment a little more.

 

[The Faulker 27]

I too watched the Tarasenko interview. First thought after watching it was that he'd be a great fit in Carolina.

 

[bleedgreen]

A window shouldn't be a single year. If it is, you've screwed up somewhere. Our window is just opening. It's this year, next year, and (god willing) the years that follow.

Next year would be the ideal time to make a push, simply because we've got so many upcoming UFA/RFA after next season. So our team will likely make drastic changes after next season anyway.

I think we’ve been in our window for at least a year.